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[Meuh]

906 is opportunistic and reads scummy as an immediate response to the kill

913 has mildly bad vibes tbh. Still like Italiano generally but this does not read particularly genuine

I think the progression from 914 to 915 is interesting and implicates Carcalilly as a partner for Vanya should that slot flip scum.
I generally agree with 914 but would like elaboration on it, still.

I like 922 tbh.
gerain is in a weird spot to me and feels like they could very much be implicated with the scum team.

923 is confusing to me, just like most of Scorpious' ISO. Not sure what to think of them at this point.
Scorpious reads genuine a lot of the time, but not necessarily in a townie way?
Like I think 946 is genuine, but both scum and town could make it, yknow?
I'm a bit conflicted overall. Not the worst lim in the world but also not the best in my eyes.

934 has a good tone. I wonder if Titus is just skilled enough that I'm not catching her scumtells but I think she's town.

935 is fluff and not proactive. Vanya remains scummy.

948 is off-putting to me. + equity for scum/scum with Scorpious tbh

I'm not sure why Roden would be killed? He didn't give me PR vibes or was that actively helpful?
Not certain who it implicates, though.
Also I'm generally curious, I know Crescent's already spoken on it a bit but does MM's flip change you guys' reads much?
Personally not really, since I generally don't build my reads on associatives day 1.

[Scorpious]

I really feel Titus is town She’s so much better at this game than she is showing, but when she does grace us with her presence, it’s “let’s kill scorp”..

It’s just so beneath her. I’m town, I’ll have no issue claiming if it comes to it. And yes I am a PR , and the focus needs to be elsewhere..


Ger could actually being scum this game. “Prod me then I’ll do stuff..” wtf is that?

[Scorpious]

And just to put a lid on my Titus theory, she’s too smart to target me so tunnel like with any sort of TMI. Like, my flip would mean instant death for her.
But also her level of play dwarfs mine, so this might be some big brained shit that I just wouldn’t understand, but I’m used to details and breakdowns with Titus, and this is how things are because of this.

We’re not getting that here.. I have no idea what to think, I know I literally just said I think she’s town but I really don’t know.

[Scorpious]

Meuh,
Forgive me for being so self centered, but I don’t have the reputation as a great player on here.

Maybe a seemingly “bad nk” is an attempt to frame someone such as myself..

[Meuh]

Okay yeah 951 and 952 posts read a bit town

Probably should not be today's lim

[Meuh]

Meuh,
Forgive me for being so self centered, but I don’t have the reputation as a great player on here.

Maybe a seemingly “bad nk” is an attempt to frame someone such as myself..

Hmm, but in what way does a "bad nk" in particular look bad on you?
Like isn't a kill on anyone that

isn't

you a bad look on you?
Considering you've openly claimed PR

[Meuh]

and does scum really need to frame you? iirc like half of the players scumread you yesterday
sounds unnecessary

[Meuh]

and does scum really need to frame you? iirc like half of the players scumread you yesterday
sounds unnecessary

If it was a frame then I'd say there were probably 2 or more scum pushing for you yesterday

[Crescent]

Yeah MM’s probably town. I don’t think scum post in twilight after getting limmed.

But he’s not saying anything still.

Didn't get to answer this one because of deadline
Any content from a scum player is content for us to analyze, isn't it? I'm biased on this one since the only time I've gotten to play scum on this site, I got limmed day 1, said nothing in twilight, and my partner was able to win.
I just don't see in what way a scum player benefits from posting in twilight after being limmed?

Half the players where I'm used to playing will fakespew for hours as scum if given the chance just to mess with everyone's heads before they die. It's strictly NAI to me that someone would post as a "dead man walking".

[Crescent]

Vanya's also the only read that really changed for me, because MM's reaction to him felt so forced it didn't feel like scum/scum at all. I had no other reason to think anything good of Vanya.

I'm torn between not trusting Scorpious at all and not trusting the quick votes on him - But especially Gamma's. Gamma's vote felt both opportunistic and for a bad reason. Scorpious being alive is completely NAI - No good scumteam shoots a town Scorpious last night.

[ItalianoVD]

@Scorpious: Why are you not dead?

Because I want voted D1 and no nk’d N1.

???

[ItalianoVD]

And could you answer 940?

[ItalianoVD]

Yeah MM’s probably town. I don’t think scum post in twilight after getting limmed.

But he’s not saying anything still.

Didn't get to answer this one because of deadline
Any content from a scum player is content for us to analyze, isn't it? I'm biased on this one since the only time I've gotten to play scum on this site, I got limmed day 1, said nothing in twilight, and my partner was able to win.
I just don't see in what way a scum player benefits from posting in twilight after being limmed?

Geraintm I feel like I keep seeing you say things you need to do and then never you doing them

Weekends are bad times for me. Prod me Monday to do stuff

And yet people are in here asking what I’m not dead.

I engage and am almost always read as scum. Ger does this every game and people are like “cool, I’m good with that”.

Very frustrating

I get that. I battle with always getting scumread as well myself, however, the circumstances are indeed different in this particular game.

[ItalianoVD]

Dang it…

Yeah MM’s probably town. I don’t think scum post in twilight after getting limmed.

But he’s not saying anything still.

Didn't get to answer this one because of deadline
Any content from a scum player is content for us to analyze, isn't it? I'm biased on this one since the only time I've gotten to play scum on this site, I got limmed day 1, said nothing in twilight, and my partner was able to win.
I just don't see in what way a scum player benefits from posting in twilight after being limmed?

I’ve seen scum town it up in twilight so I know what scum is capable of. However Monkey wasn’t saying anything that was helping, he did mention how stupid we were for voting him and how much he wasn’t feeling the game; things I’ve seen scum say. I’ve even seen scum give their final readslist, thoughts, and say “well good luck tomorrow, etc.” only to flip red. So no, twilight means nothing to me and like I said I wish he was just scum so it would have felt better and would have made much more sense.

[ItalianoVD]

Also I'm generally curious, I know Crescent's already spoken on it a bit but does MM's flip change you guys' reads much?
Personally not really, since I generally don't build my reads on associatives day 1.

No, I just generally know to look off wagon when a town gets voted out and on wagon when scum does. It’s one of the most basic and generally unchanging scum tactics.

[ItalianoVD]

Vanya's also the only read that really changed for me, because MM's reaction to him felt so forced it didn't feel like scum/scum at all. I had no other reason to think anything good of Vanya.

I’m looking at Vanya a little different for reasons not at all connected to MonkeyMan.

I'm torn between not trusting Scorpious at all and not trusting the quick votes on him - But especially Gamma's. Gamma's vote felt both opportunistic and for a bad reason.

Scorpious being alive is completely NAI - No good scumteam shoots a town Scorpious last night.

Why? Scum kills town power roles and if they don’t one of the reasons for their night kills is to hunt for one. There are two scenarios here and one of them have already been mentioned.

Scorpious softed pr and then pretty much became a loud claim by admitting he softed, although he didn’t specifically say what he was just to clarify.

1) Scum don’t kill him to “frame” him and cause the town to eliminate him because “pr not dead!”
2) He is scum and therefore cannot be night killed.

Which is more likely is the question.

I do have to say the play so far around Scorpious both for and against has me scratching my head and I don’t know who to trust. My gut is telling the posts have been townie, certain interactions have been townie, but logic and simplicity tells me he’s scum. Of course I’m not coming to decision just yet. I want to talk to more people.

[Crescent]

Vanya's also the only read that really changed for me, because MM's reaction to him felt so forced it didn't feel like scum/scum at all. I had no other reason to think anything good of Vanya.

I’m looking at Vanya a little different for reasons not at all connected to MonkeyMan.

I'm torn between not trusting Scorpious at all and not trusting the quick votes on him - But especially Gamma's. Gamma's vote felt both opportunistic and for a bad reason.

Scorpious being alive is completely NAI - No good scumteam shoots a town Scorpious last night.

Why? Scum kills town power roles and if they don’t one of the reasons for their night kills is to hunt for one. There are two scenarios here and one of them have already been mentioned.

Scorpious softed pr and then pretty much became a loud claim by admitting he softed, although he didn’t specifically say what he was just to clarify.

1) Scum don’t kill him to “frame” him and cause the town to eliminate him because “pr not dead!”
2) He is scum and therefore cannot be night killed.

Which is more likely is the question.

I do have to say the play so far around Scorpious both for and against has me scratching my head and I don’t know who to trust. My gut is telling the posts have been townie, certain interactions have been townie, but logic and simplicity tells me he’s scum. Of course I’m not coming to decision just yet. I want to talk to more people.

Scum kills the strongest player they believe to be a power role, or the strongest player they feel is least likely to be voted off. A lot of scum simply kill "Best Player Alive" and just leave it at that. I've already made it clear I would've never humored a Scorpious kill as scum last night for even a second.

The issue I have is... Gamma feels like he was already prepared to suspect Scorpious before the day even came up. That's not to say Gamma might not just be bussing him, but I really get a vibe from him that he knew Scorpious was going to be alive.

[ItalianoVD]

Scum kills the strongest player they believe to be a power role, or the strongest player they feel is least likely to be voted off. A lot of scum simply kill "Best Player Alive" and just leave it at that. I've already made it clear I would've never humored a Scorpious kill as scum last night for even a second.

The issue I have is... Gamma feels like he was already prepared to suspect Scorpious before the day even came up. That's not to say Gamma might not just be bussing him, but I really get a vibe from him that he knew Scorpious was going to be alive.

Okay that’s fair. So then what’s more likely? Scenario 1 or 2?

[ItalianoVD]

At least in your opinion.

[Meuh]

Scum kills the strongest player they believe to be a power role, or the strongest player they feel is least likely to be voted off. A lot of scum simply kill "Best Player Alive" and just leave it at that. I've already made it clear I would've never humored a Scorpious kill as scum last night for even a second.

The issue I have is... Gamma feels like he was already prepared to suspect Scorpious before the day even came up. That's not to say Gamma might not just be bussing him, but I really get a vibe from him that he knew Scorpious was going to be alive.

I think the point about Gamma's vote is fair, that's a reasonable vibe to get from her entrance to the day. A bad look.
Do you think others' reactions also imply potentially knowing Scorpious was living? Dwlee and Carcalilly's entrances strike me in a similar way Gamma's does.
None of the 3 of them super incriminating, but all 3 I could see coming from scum with prior knowledge on the death.

[Carcalilly]

Geraintm I feel like I keep seeing you say things you need to do and then never you doing them

Weekends are bad times for me. Prod me Monday to do stuff

And yet people are in here asking what I’m not dead.

I engage and am almost always read as scum. Ger does this every game and people are like “cool, I’m good with that”.

Very frustrating

Don't get me wrong I don't like geraint's play either. I just feel like my read on him is less concrete and more theoretical.

[Gamma Emerald]

The issue I have is... Gamma feels like he was already prepared to suspect Scorpious before the day even came up. That's not to say Gamma might not just be bussing him, but I really get a vibe from him that he knew Scorpious was going to be alive.

This is just plain wrong tho
In fact I was 100% expecting Scorpious to die

[DkKoba]

FugitiveMoose has been prodded

[DkKoba]

Votecount 2.1

Endless Migration (2009) - HotAirRaccoon

Scorpious

(3): Carcalilly, Gamma Emerald, Titus

Uncle Vanya

(1): Meuh

Not Voting

(7): FugitiveMoose, ItalianoVD, geraintm, Scorpious, Crescent, Dwlee99, Uncle Vanya
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-05-19 22:33:37)
Titus V/LA Friday Evening - Monday Morning

[Titus]

I'm torn between not trusting Scorpious at all and not trusting the quick votes on him - But especially Gamma's. Gamma's vote felt both opportunistic and for a bad reason. Scorpious being alive is completely NAI - No good scumteam shoots a town Scorpious last night.

I can see where this comes from even though voting Scorpious is the right thing to do. I could also see a buddu defending Scorpious. However, you don't let a player go whine about being a PR and do nothing but spout bs.

I'd like to get some other reads though. I have a few town but would like to block this out.