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*eyeroll* Math, I try to save you if you're town and you literally object because it's me proposing it.
Like I don't know what to do with you.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Yeah no worries. I was probably being needlessly obtuse anyway.
My main thought today was that Implosion fits pretty well as a HEM partner, and honestly possibly with Math as well, but I haven't looked into that closely yet. But there are some key aspects of how implosion played D1 that are how I think a HEM buddy would have played it. For e.g. the initial hesitant bussing, feeling forced to double down after being called out, backing off slightly when other options may have been possible. I also was reconsidering the way that implosion interacted with me and my scumread there. I'm used to scum just shading me when I suspect them, but I think implosion's... almost-buddying in a way? also makes sense. Especially the part where implosion was using the same reasoning as me for certain reads.
The Math/Titus stuff is difficult for me to get my head around but I'm reading through Day 2 properly at the moment and I can see MathBlade as scum? I think if I came up with a way to explain it, it would just be justifying the opinion I'd already formed, but I guess as I said, I don't think I could justifiably not elim there. There were some things that bothered me, like the initial claim that Ausuka was lying about the JK (where I think town-Math would realise that there are other explanations for a lack of kill), or the insistence that Enchant MUST have a cop inno on him (which feels more like an attempt to emulate obstinate-town-Math than truly town-Math) but I don't know if those things are actually scummy or I'm just seeing them that way because of the JK claim, if that makes sense? Now that I've written it out it feels scummy to me, but I do try to be conscious of biases etc.
Otherwise, I haven't thought a WHOLE lot about reads, but I think HQ, Gamma, Dwlee, Aristeia, Titus are still townreads for me. Less sure of STD, but I haven't looked at his posts closely for while. Obviously more sure on Ausuka being town, and I think the way Roden went about the Voyeur claim was townie as well. Enchant's play Day 2 comes across as quite town to me, but I guess I could also see a Math/Enchant world where this is a hail mary type play.
If I'm wrong on implo or Math, I could maaaybe see Bella sneaking in as scum somewhere? But I think the way she claimed was probably town too?-
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I am a fuckin VTIn post 3000, Titus wrote:*eyeroll* Math, I try to save you if you're town and you literally object because it's me proposing it.
Like I don't know what to do with you.
We don’t “mass claim” to save me
If you believe I am town you argue it
We don’t chop off the right arm to save a toenail.
I don’t think you’re town because almost everything from the word go has been terrible to meScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Actually this is interesting. Up until this point, you'd done about just as much sharing of reads as I had. Why did you have particular interest in me sharing reads, or was it just to make me look bad?
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how does sharing your reads when asked make you look bad
i'm trying to guess what you are since i don't really know where your head is at. if you want to know my reads i'm happy to give them but i have been giving them (mostly yesterday)-
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I feel like the way that Post 2997 was written (particularly the "uh") implies that it was unreasonable of me to not share more reads. But I was pretty clear on my reads Day 1 too, so I'm not sure whether you actually wanted my reads or if your post was just a safe post to make because it's a pretty classically "bad" thing for someone to not post reads.-
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this is my favorite readlist in any game everIn post 3005, Save The Dragons wrote:implosion
Harley Quinn
Gamma Emerald
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Roden
Enchant
Dwlee99
Bellaphant
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MathBlade
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bigger size is how much i townread them<Embrace The Void>
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:/In post 3008, Wallflower wrote:not really but it was worth a try<Embrace The Void>
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You shoulda just made me Pi not MathBlade and in font size Pi.
Then your read would be tiny, go on forever, and just be irrationalScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I'd do almost anything to break a game my way but if you'd rather fall on the sword and get out of the way so I can do it tomorrow, be my guest.In post 3002, MathBlade wrote:
I am a fuckin VTIn post 3000, Titus wrote:*eyeroll* Math, I try to save you if you're town and you literally object because it's me proposing it.
Like I don't know what to do with you.
We don’t “mass claim” to save me
If you believe I am town you argue it
We don’t chop off the right arm to save a toenail.
I don’t think you’re town because almost everything from the word go has been terrible to meShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
You're letting Titus win the game by herself.Good luck now I guess.You have no chance to win.~Tywin
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It's probably roughly how I'd have reacted as scum too, because as scum I generally just try to mimic whatever reasoning I'd give as town for stuff like that.In post 3001, Wallflower wrote:My main thought today was that Implosion fits pretty well as a HEM partner, and honestly possibly with Math as well, but I haven't looked into that closely yet. But there are some key aspects of how implosion played D1 that are how I think a HEM buddy would have played it. For e.g. the initial hesitant bussing, feeling forced to double down after being called out, backing off slightly when other options may have been possible. I also was reconsidering the way that implosion interacted with me and my scumread there. I'm used to scum just shading me when I suspect them, but I think implosion's... almost-buddying in a way? also makes sense. Especially the part where implosion was using the same reasoning as me for certain reads.-
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Your way looks like TPR mass claim when we have the PR advantage as scum couldn’t kill.In post 3013, Titus wrote:
I'd do almost anything to break a game my way but if you'd rather fall on the sword and get out of the way so I can do it tomorrow, be my guest.In post 3002, MathBlade wrote:
I am a fuckin VTIn post 3000, Titus wrote:*eyeroll* Math, I try to save you if you're town and you literally object because it's me proposing it.
Like I don't know what to do with you.
We don’t “mass claim” to save me
If you believe I am town you argue it
We don’t chop off the right arm to save a toenail.
I don’t think you’re town because almost everything from the word go has been terrible to me
My flip pretty much proves Enchant town which means a likely win unless there is a doc claim out there.
So far as I am concerned I wish Enchant would play but unkillable conf town barring CC seems pretty good to me
Way more than any setup spec can provideScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Your way seems like a bunch of bullshit and I tried being supportive but it just looks bad.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I'm a little late and just caught up but I also disagree with the mass claim
HEM claiming VT makes me think either the Informed option did nothing because all pairs got taken, or the only available PR pair was somehow a priority pair and the entire scum team rolled too low in the draft to feasibly get it. HEM actually being a Goon despite having a decent spot on the draft heavily implies he was desperate to get a good PR, which means the scum team generally didn't place well in the draft. So it's possible they are all Goons, or 1 PR + 2 Goons.
If I'm right about that, outting the PRs just gives scum an advantage since it'll be mostly/all townies anyway. They'll just be better informed on where to shoot and avoid VTs entirely.-
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I don't know if I want to lim Enchant anymore, because if Enchant is scum then the only known explanation for the no kill is Math scum, or a doc save. Which is part of why I want a massclaim. But in the absence of a massclaim this makes me feel like limming Math before Enchant is typically the correct play. Ari is right that a universal backup could inherit ascetic cop if Enchant is ascetic cop, but I think Enchant could just as easily be a scum bp (since e.g. a scum ascetic cop could get outed when someone targets them and gets a result) and a universal backup becoming bp wouldn't be useful when there are several power roles already out right now. Another use of a potential town universal backup is to just lim Math, and make scum essentially "waste" a shot on Ausuka that doesn't actually get rid of the jailkeeper.-
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Also I can confirm Enchant as BP tonight with my Voyeur if necessary. Or well "confirm" since if it fails I'll know he's Ascetic. If my check works then we know he isn't Ascetic and most likely town. If he's scum, picking Ascetic is a better choice than BP mechanically, so I think scum fake claiming BP while actually being Ascetic is possible. But I don't think scum ever actually picks BP.-
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Mainly I think if we can confirm me town (by elimming me)
I think that gives us the best chance to win.
Then Enchant was shot (which matches where Ari thinks the kill should have gone) or a doc saved someone or scum no kill
Very narrow worlds.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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The alternative is just accept I am town and scum probably shot Enchant.
If you townread me and TR Enchant the rest literally doesn’t matter as then scum likely can’t win
If you can’t do that you should elim me so you have a hard TR on Enchant pending a doc claim and flip.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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