Open 854 | Eurybia's Curse | Game Over!

[Isis]

No unconfirmed players have ever pushed skitter

As I type that I realize I'm counting coral as confirmed less than three hours after I voted for her.

Looloolook

[Isis]

Country gurl

[Faker]

Fundamentally I'd like to not waste a shot, and I do think this is likely to waste a shot

However I am not getting Coral right now without drastic changeup and I am concerned that a Meuh escape results in me just getting instantly eliminated the next day

[Isis]

Faker who wants to lim you

[Faker]

Me voting skitter would also be preflipping skitter off of Coral. I have literally put zero thought into something like skitter/Cakez since Day 2.

[Isis]

Gl just opened a townread on you

[Faker]

Faker who wants to lim you

Right now? No one really.

If we walk into a Cakez or skitter townflip and a Meuh escape? Probably everyone lmao

[Isis]

I promise after I townflip skitter everyone will want to lim me

[Faker]

i vote skitter w/ u tomorrow if coral escape

i vote coral w/ u tomorrow if skitter escape

game win

[Isis]

Cake and skitter play portal 2 co op levels

[Faker]

This is one of those times where I am convinced it is an exact team but also know myself and know that I have a 50%+ chance of pulling a catboi and needing to be dragged to the finish line kicking and screaming.

I'll swing for the fences and go for Coral. Swinging for the fences on the tiger is tempting but surely there are limits to my town risk tolerance somewhere.

[Isis]

Skitter is your partner and you need her to excape

[Faker]

I am scum with everyone. It is a fact.

[Meuh]

Like i dont get why gamma's pov is important or relevant or how it explains why meuh switched

Huh what, it feels very relevant

So I had suspicions on Fruit purely off POE, as I often do. Considering most players scumread more people, I didn’t think that perspective was particularly appealing.
Looking back at the interactions with Gamma that Faker brought up, those did play a significant role making me jump.
Like
1. Gamma voicing suspicion on Fruit made me feel better about jumping there in the first place. Felt like the thought at the back of my mind could be heard out.
2. I felt bad. I mean it is true to an extent that Gamma was kinda ignored at several points in the game. So the idea of amplifying her perspective felt nice, especially since I actively townread her.

I like placing votes to amplify people’s perspectives even if I don’t believe in them completely. Like my vote on Cakez day 1, while circumstantially different, was also motivated by a want to echo what a likely townie was saying (GL).

[Meuh]

I feel like this discussion all implies that I was like really passionate about Pav being scum, while my read on Fruit was mellow.
Like to me it Pav scum just felt like it made sense? So that’s what I pushed for. Like I even clearly mentioned, it’s less that Pav was actively scummy, and more that he hadn’t townpinged me at all.
You know who else this applies to??
Fruit!

[marcistar]

meuh, r u scum?

[Meuh]

Nope

[Meuh]

Like um ok, let's say she scumreads both Pavowski and Fruit at the same time at that point. why would she abandon a wagon that is picking up speed at 5 votes and threatening to go on someone who has zero votes? How is that productive?

The Pav wagon already had a bunch of momentum and votes so what’s the point of continuously pushing for something many people agreed with? The idea of giving merit to my own and to Gamma’s idea of Fruit potentially being scum was nice to me, regardless of what Fruit’s votecount was
Unless someone is actively getting pushed to get hammered, votes are just a tool to use to pressure people and make some stances known. I used my vote as a tool to put pressure on Fruit (and his partners had he been scum) and to give merit to the idea of Fruit being scum. That’s much more productive than to keep my vote uninteresting, just there on the Pav wagon

[Meuh]

Spoiler:

Oh I was also thinking about meuh's post

Do you think Pavowski is scummier individually or more vca, flow of the tides.

To me he's scummy in a circumstantial way if that makes any sense?
The general position he's in, the way he has interacted with others and others have treated him, the feeling of some people being aware of him being scummy, while some seem to prefer ignoring his existence, I guess. It all makes me uneasy.

Who do you think falls into each camp here?

hmmm
I assume you mean the camp of aware vs ignoring?
I'm gonna take a look at people's ISOs to get the accurate picture of it all
Note that ignoring doesn't mean no mention of Pav, it means more so less harsh stances and less attention on him:

Aware: Me, Titus, Ari, Coral, GL
Ignoring: Marci, Fruit, Worstie, Gamma, Isis, Cakez, Skitter
Pavowski: Pavowski

Things that stuck out to me while looking at this:
-Coral and TW have given significantly different amounts of attention to Pav.
-Isis barely mentions him, considering her postcount
-It's even worse for Skitter, who also barely mentions him. From what I can see she literally didn't talk about him until 1691, which is impressive.

and look at this post she makes.

she's doing pre-flip associatives with Pavowski and shading people for how much they mention pavowski as if he were a flipped scum.

this is

AFTER

she unvoted Pavowski and derailed the wagon at 2305 literally like three hours ago.

This entire perspective just relies on the idea that my read on Pav significantly shifted and that my vote on Fruit is a result of that
Also did my vote switch really derail the wagon? I don’t recall that happening.
I got asked by Gamma to expand on my perspective of Pav being scum and I dug through people’s ISOs, both to clarify and see if my own perspective was substantiated in the first place. To note that I was actively trying to engage with Gamma and hear him out.
You can call it pre-flip associations but I don’t see how they stick out as being ill-intentioned when they originate from a general gamestate read and that I was asked by someone else to clarify in the first place. Not only that but I don’t recall pushing much for the ideas in that post afterwards either? Which I feel I would’ve done if that was my goal as scum here.
Pretty sure someone (I think Ari) brought up the post earlier in day 3 and I explored it again there, but otherwise I don’t recall making reference to it?
So how am I serving a scum agenda here, aside from the basic notion of associatives with Pav being thrown out?
Because I think everything surrounding it points to me not being malicious here

[Meuh]

VOTE: Meuh

I am sold

[marcistar]

meuh town guys wtf

[Andante]

I promise after I townflip skitter

sounds like a great plan...

[Andante]

uhhh clears, what are we doing for a lim here?

[Isis]

Townflip skitter

[Andante]

and if I want a scumflip here?