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[Isis]

Faker r u scum

[Isis]

I'm gonna be ordering Wendy's and texting a girl* and then driving home I might be distracted enough to leave the coral vote out for a bit but I don't believe in it like a ton.

Want gl to look at it

There's some lil reasons but idk

Uncleared obvtown on the wagon paranoia

[Isis]

I don't follow

Meuh is town

[Isis]

Isis i am very confused >.>

Im a treasure that's why I named myself after a pirate

[Isis]

UNVOTE:

[Isis]

I still be leaning skitter

[Isis]

Like what if none of my reads are wrong cause I didn't really believe in best wagon and I should just belief in myself

I mean that sounds arrogant but I more mean like

What if I haven't messed up yet

Like all five confs fit my worldview a lot

Idk

[Isis]

If gl has at least 4 hours for this game I will likely sheep him but if he has to skin I'll be spicy

[Isis]

Your worldview is still wrong unfortunately

Pedit @isis

I'm pretty scared of losing to argument by repetition so I think that's why I clank towards skitter a lot

[Isis]

Not saying you shouldn't play that way just playstyle idiosyncracies

[Isis]

Your worldview is still wrong unfortunately

Pedit @isis

I'm pretty scared of losing to argument by repetition so I think that's why I clank towards skitter a lot

I mean yeah but i'm scared of losing to confbias so i stilk have fo keep trying to knock it out of u

I love skitter

[Isis]

Do you have an earnest concern coral will escape and I will try to tie you to her

[Isis]

I think if coral was mafia you could've won by luiging

[Isis]

I guess a better statement here is: Cakez town Meuh escape instantly gamelosing because I get my just desserts. Meuh townflip Cakez escape maybe I don't instantly lose us the game.

But don't you just want to lim the scum one..

[Isis]

Maybe that was just pontification without a point or maybe there's a. Abstract ev I don't get

[Isis]

If I had the confidence that one was significantly more likely than the other, yes. I do not.

I'm inclined to think that the team is exactly Coral/skitter. If we're not going Coral, though, I'd probably rather go Meuh than skitter and see how fuckin wrong I am.

Nice try skitter's partner

[Isis]

Half-sister?

[Isis]

Coral is bullying me for failure to altguess her

[Isis]

Is coral just one of the people I like but have played 0-1 games with like lukewarm or sth

[Isis]

That's kinda rude

[Isis]

You voted me

Or postured

Then you confed me town

[Isis]

Bus skitter pls

[Isis]

No unconfirmed players have ever pushed skitter

As I type that I realize I'm counting coral as confirmed less than three hours after I voted for her.

Looloolook

[Isis]

Country gurl

[Isis]

Faker who wants to lim you

[Isis]

Gl just opened a townread on you

[Isis]

I promise after I townflip skitter everyone will want to lim me

[Isis]

Cake and skitter play portal 2 co op levels

[Isis]

Skitter is your partner and you need her to excape

[Isis]

Townflip skitter

[Isis]

There's not any other lims I don't have misgivings about except like maybe Cakez? Idk that slot

[Isis]

I'm teasing a I really think there's like a 50% chance skitter randed scum in this game that's a pretty strong read

[Isis]

There's a lot of support for flipping meuh from uncleared players and not a lot of support for flipping meuh from cleared players and I'm counting Marci as a cleared player here

[Isis]

There's a lot of support for flipping meuh from uncleared players and not a lot of support for flipping meuh from cleared players and I'm counting Marci as a cleared player here

p much every uncleared player is ok with flipping meuh except marci atp right?

so if meuh escapes we kill marci?

After a reread mayhaps yeah?

[Isis]

I still strongly want skitter. I want to kill someone for attacking meuh. I want to kill the best faker partner because I'm still paranoid about faker. I want to kill someone I cased with wacky shit on page 6 without piquing Pav's interest. I want I want I want.

If meuh escapes you'll have all my votes it will be playing to wincon for me to stop having opinions

[Isis]

I think Cakez got a lil bit of town equity past couple pages?

[Isis]

The early d3 is in her range and faker would be excited to do it

Their game long interaction is not high quality.

Start of d3 was slight antipartner but gammaskitter was massive partnery, and then it makes the d3 opening less antipartnery after all because faker would know she needed to do it

[Isis]

I agree fruit forget nai

[Isis]

Skitter is there anything other than that one vote you don't like from me

This is part of what concerns me about her slot

[Isis]

I don't really think it's skitter anymore but I guess I could be wrong. She has been less of an active voice lately, and there's been less pressure on her, but I don't know if those things are connected. I would still much prefer Meuh, though.

Coral did you roll scum

[Isis]

It being hard to kill skitter makes me want to kill skitter

[Isis]

Kill coral and skitter escape is cry

[Isis]

Is there like three pages in the last fifteen minutes

[Isis]

Look at Coral's avatar tho

[Isis]

Can we hammertest skitter

[Isis]

ISIS

QUEEN ISIS

WHERE ARE YOU MY LIEGE

Ok I'm catching up on the pages I skipped someone called me queen now I want to cooperate with this person

[Isis]

Idt hammertesting ever improves win% tbh I wanted to like hammertest skitter to dead yknow

[Isis]

I'm scum with meuh but I told her she can't escape she has to play through to endgame

[Isis]

I can officially say a meuh Elim would be a bigger mistep than a coral elim

[Isis]

Someone had a rly good reason to tr Marci but I kinda forgot

[Isis]

I'm fascinated

[Isis]

I'm not feeling it like is she bad or is she scum

I think she's bad yes but it's just blatant traitor with a green pm isn't it

Pedit yeah I'd consider Marci on a meuh escape and vice verse

[Isis]

I wish I wasn't conftown so skitter could push me

[Isis]

Why not skitter

[Isis]

If skitter is town do you not trust her read of Cakez

I kinda care about it tbh, affects my cake/coral ordering.

[Isis]

I was addressing gl ftr

[Isis]

Vibes and opinions about alcohol

[Isis]

yeah I think I might just back down and defer to Isis/Skitter on Cakez

in which case if it's exactly Coral/Skitter it's probably good to lim in Meuh/marci because even if we flip town we get a Coral/skitter escape and all the info that brings

I feel like there's victory lap logic baked in that I'm not comfortable with, unless either coral or skitter have no other good partners

[Isis]

Pav seemed super comfortable around marci

[Isis]

I spent too much time staring at this game and locked indoors in a way that was frankly suffocating and made me very irritable. I've stretched myself then knowing that this is the last I'll get to play for a long time, and it's run concurrently with the stresses of my immediate living situation and the planning of my move to another state, the accompanying structures I'd like to set up for myself there, and the overarching pressures that move represents.

Frankly, I think a marcistar vote is indescribably disgusting. I mean this in a low-stress and low-anxious way I can. I've seen her scumgame, I've compared it to here, I don't think it's even close. Throughout Day 2 she had genuinely curious reactions and pop-ins that went beyond checking boxes, Pavowski was noticeably trying to buddy her essentially from the start, and frankly she's been way too comfortable in her own skin and not self-conscious for the vast majority of the game. This read is my lodestar. I don't care if people think about flipping marcistar as a proxy for flipping Meuh; I am more willing to believe that someone is flying close to the sun with Meuh than I am wrong on marcistar.

I'm not going to write a dissertation on marcistar meta. It's a giant undertaking. It's going to stress me out. The players that need to read it are going to find whatever they can to undermine it and salvage their own perspective. The votes and suggestions she is scum make me physically sick to look at, so I'm choosing not to. If my meta read is wrong, then okay.

I don't think the chance Meuh flips scum is zero. Perhaps someone saw my defense coming, or were betting on

someone

serving as a blockade. I am willing to bet against this and cede them the game if it happened, though. I can type more about my Meuh read that in a vacuum is nulltown, but the fact that myself and marcistar are the only unclears in opposition is enough for me. If she's mafia, someone's going to have to drag me kicking and screaming.

I don't know what to think about Cakez. I know he's probably not scum with Coral after this morning; it's better to just leave me to her than have one of them flipped and interrogated. I disagree with his point about this being marcistar 101 but I can see why he sees AtE/selfdefeatist in a vacuum and says NAI/scumlean. I genuinely struggle to read this player: Maybe he's scum with Skitter (his early read on her was still weird), maybe I'm wrong and he's scum with one of Coral/Meuh, or maybe he's not scum at all. He's not a top preference.

In general I've found skitter town but there are a few strikes against her. First, I think Aristeia was spot on when she said that she was setting up Gamma to be an elim target. There was little to no reason to hard defend her and she's had a pretty nonsensical null-nulltown progression on the slot, and has perpetually flipped to me when she has felt threatened by my slot. Second, I think her entire back/forth with Coral with the extended walls was flat out theater. Third, I think she has been way too focused on getting Meuh through and ignoring any nuance, has not seriously been willing to entertain a vote on Coral beyond only the most surface-level reactions and one/two summations. I think that shows heavy investment in seeing the Meuh flip through lest the slot be spewed town by a flip. Finally, I had some things I wanted to look at with her meta: How usual is it for her to claim things like "I have too many scumreads" as mafia, or to continually push a player to look at one certain slot? I'm not going to get there. This game is stressful and I've read too much.

I think I've typed enough words on Coral. Above all else I still find Pavowski's interactions with her completely damning. She's played very well but I think she doesn't know how to strategically position here, and I think she hasn't had much idea of how to handle me. She only has had the occasional skepticism, and I think there'd be a lot more scrutiny. This is my second lodestar, and if I'm wrong, then okay.

you are a magnificent specimen

[Isis]

I think Coral is the most likely mean/median/mode of everyone's positions as it seems to stand right now

[Isis]

Coral won't vote skitter, which people should be freaked out about
Meuh would vote skitter to save herself I think
marci would not vote skitter because that would be game advancing
Isis would vote skitter
Faker would vote skitter
Ari would hard vote proxy to Isis I think it's something she's actually serious about 11th hour
Cakez would not vote skitter because he townreads her
GL would vote skitter very reluctantly because it's in his top 3 and there's a bloc
Andante would be disappointed but wouldn't force plurality over it with 3 conftown who played the whole game voting it.
I think I get barely 6 votes even without an extra from newTitus

[Isis]

VOTE: skitter

[Isis]

Move your vote onto coral Ari, so we can look at unconfirmeds taking it or not taking it. If NewTitus shows up with some disdain of skitter we could reval

[Isis]

I was gonna vote there but then I decided you might just hammer it and I want to see unconfirmed behaviors

[Isis]

i guess skitter/faker is still a possible team if she hammer escapes on coral

That's why I want skitter
I don't think coral has as many different partners.

If you start skitter you could surely go find and kill all the possible coral partners in total (skitter already and maaaybe one overlooked)

[Isis]

Meuh town

[Isis]

I'm late to work cause I got an eyelash stuck in eye

[Isis]

i can vote skitter if meuh is not possible but i would prefer a meuh flip

i was tunneled on skitter for most of the game and managed to pull myself out of it and see that other possibilities exist, which makes it hard for me to dive back in to that. i already convinced myself I was wrong and that meuh was more likely scum

Who talked you into it cause your latent scumread was the in talking it up the most..

[Isis]

*was the one

[Isis]

I'm around and willing to vote either Coral or Skitter

probably slight preference for Skitter all things considered

I still think whoever is scum is scum with Cakez given that everyone in the unclears is seemingly willing to vote nearly everyone else in the unclears except for Cakez

aaaaaaaa

[Isis]

one thing I meant to check up on and failed to do was how and why Faker went from "CAKEZ IS SCUM" D2 prior to Pav flip to "Cakez is the most mislimmable man alive" on D3 and beyond

Faker was pretty clearly meming from the start. As explained by hammer test it's not faker cakes

I guess we could lose to like marcicake or something with a skitter lim here but I think she usually turns up as either coral or cakes partner

[Isis]

Idr think Marci is scum

[Isis]

Should I hammer

[Isis]

Titus is getting replaced, replacement reads using the flips

I really wanted this to be skitter

[Isis]

Blehhh :/

Pedit: don't you do this to me

[Isis]

I mean possibly you

[Isis]

Walrus and the carpenter feelings

[Isis]

VOTE: Coral

[Isis]

I wanted to line it up right after the poem reference..

Do you mean you will like me more than Loki likes me or you will like me more than you like Loki

[Isis]

Im very frustrated by yall

[Isis]

Uh. . A w is a w. . That's the good attitude. .

[Isis]

My Meuh green read was right I can give myself a lil credd

[Isis]

Great modding. I thought the flavor was a Cakez escape at first

[Isis]

Ydrasse I urge you not to edit it join me in the traditiona of mechanically significant flavor

[Isis]

Faker obviously played well

[Isis]

I voted Pavowski! Pavowski luigi! Told you scum meuh could not laugh about Pavowski luigi

[Isis]

Seeing Queen Isis in her lovely tiara holding up a sign with Pav's name on it was such a bittersweet moment.

My feeeeeelinggessss

[Isis]

GL OP

[Isis]

If faker wins it will not count as a win for gamma

That is how replacement works anyway.

Eh like I don't mean that in toxic don't want x player to win way but like gamma feels like a book I did not get to finish so I don't want to just write scum in the blank when faker is playing like fine

So uh, what was the meaning of this? I think a good number of people here would know I wouldn’t take credit for the win
Sure I’m gonna lord my correct reads on Coral + Cakez over people if I feel the need but I understand a replace-out equals giving up your share in the outcome of the game (with the exception of if the game ends before the slot gets replaced)

Locking in a read for your slot without using the new player would have been a mistake. It wasn't meant as worry about you keeping the Stanley cup on your mantle the four years since you lost it or something.

[Isis]

p interesting: 3/3 ended up on the confirmed list. if you actually look back at the total heal vc (2581), gl and meuh are the only other person who got 2 conftown, and most people only got one. i'm kinda wondering if there's a correlation between this list and who ended up conftown: scum thought these people were ridiculously townie and were unflippable and thus conftowned them, and when asked to share townreads, taht's who they picked.
i'm still kinda baffled by coral being relatively widely townread yestrday and having such good reads that natural fit with the townblock, and then not being in the townblock. i don't know how to reconcile that. also she didn't put in isis but seems to be townreading her?

- i don't really see a point in rehashing my earlier arguments with her

- i'm also baffled how she's townreading meuh for hopping off of pav (as early as 2549) - this is just like not how mafia works in my universe

- also despite scumreading pav p hard all ady yesterday, she never ended up on wagon ... (there's a few posts, like3009, that indicate that she hadn't thought of the hammer + escape thing, if anybody is going to ask why scum-her didn't hammer)
(there's actually an unusual number of posts focusing on the hammer + escape thing, which i don't think many other people have particularly focused on - i think this is lowkey scummy because scum by nature care more about the implciations of said strategy and would be viewing the game through that lens)

Also fwiw even tho these were wildly derided, i do think that these were fairly fair points

(And i should have stuck to my guns too but alas)

I was dragged kicking and screaming to a W

[Isis]

Multiquote bug again, I forgot what I wanted to say about the skitter post

[Isis]

Coral was a sundress tho

[Isis]

So was pav

[Isis]

I kinda consider orb based defect the underdog way to build them at this point

[Isis]

sadly now drunk cakez will be suspicious every time so it may have been a once-off as a scum tactic

no joke I literally searched your post history for "drunk" and tried to find other games where you drunkposted and whether any of them were scum

and when I got no hits it really made me wonder if I just had the whole game backwards

I hope no one does this to me

[Isis]

Confbias is definitionally not deliberate. I think it'd be weaker play not to acknowledge that there may be some and I'm not sure how much I'm dealing with. Then acknowledging it makes it seem like volitional engagement in fallacy. Idk
.I also acknowledged about 9 times that Coral's avatar made me not want to vote her X.X