Open 860 | Elected Decisions | Postgame

Enchant · Post Post #50 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:20 am

Taly pocketed me by sanity.

Also by this we produce two people mafia want to kill (assuming we hit town): PR and Conftown.

They will need to choose which one they want to kill, because there's risk of Doctor/Jailkeeper/PGO/whatever shit

Enchant · Post Post #51 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:21 am

Yeah, roles are random.
So it's more question for funnies mostly.

Taly · Post Post #52 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:25 am

VOTE: Frogsterking for Divulgence

I want to know why 2 masons is most likely if we divulge, why that is a bad thing, and why they wouldn't be killed? I guess this might be difference in opinion, but if

Mod

returns and says that we don't learn the alignments of who we depart, I'm much more keen on sticking to divulgence. It's

always

a safe way to minimize the PoE,

at least when town outnumbers mafia 3:1.

Since PRs are random, it's harder to control the reasons why we

want

someone to be a PR. Maybe a departure is more optimal under specific circumstances but what those are, you'll have to hold to hand and explain.

Galron · Post Post #53 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:28 am

In post 42, Enchant wrote:
In post 39, Galron wrote:
In post 34, Enchant wrote:
Why choose three, you can get only one.

Pick with wisdom.

Obviously Neighborizer is best one.
Why give that info to mafs? Both pieces?
Because i am anti-town gamethrower.

Maybe you are

Enchant · Post Post #54 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:29 am

You know alignments of departed, i can assure.

Departing mafia is more benefiting, because you then don't need to waste time killing them, Frog plainly doesh't realise (or care) that on Day 1 we more likely to pow townie, not mafia.
Basically it's choice between "Low" and "High" risk and rewards.

I prefer low.

Galron · Post Post #55 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:32 am

Okay of prs are random I guess it doesn't matter.

Galron · Post Post #56 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:34 am

I read the rules more carefully.

Galron · Post Post #57 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:35 am

Taly acknowledge me please!!!

Galron · Post Post #58 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:38 am

Two masons? You mean two confirmed players of same alignment without apt? I don't see how we get masons out of this.

Taly · Post Post #59 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:42 am

In post 10, Frogsterking wrote:I mean what does divulging twice give us at best? Masons from the bottom of the PoE? That sounds pretty weak. If either of the first two picks are scum we would end up pretty far behind where we would have been if we just killed them.

It seems like a situation where the "risky" choice is safer than the "safe" choice because the risky choice gives better return on investment. So if you want to play it safe it's more reasonable to advocate for departure than divulge. It seems like the divulge is best used in a situation to reach lylo (like in a game with a missed vig shot) where we would normally have to no elim.

I support a position where we assume we'll depart each day (since it gives us a chance to progress to our wincon directly) and if anyone wants to make a case of why divulge is better for x reason then they can bring it up. I think the players who want to divulge have the burden of proof to explain why it's better, since that option removes the fear of death from the scum team but not the Town, I argue divulging takes AWAY from the Town rather than GIVES to us in most situations.

I was replying to this

And ig we get 2 masons if we divulge on town twice and somehow neither are killed

Taly · Post Post #60 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:42 am

HEAL: Taly
me like power
Supreme overlord toucan decrees it

Frogsterking · Post Post #61 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:46 am

In post 52, Taly wrote:I want to know why 2 masons is most likely if we divulge, why that is a bad thing, and why they wouldn't be killed?

That was in reaction to Enchant's first suggestion of divulging twice. Because the random TPR is the bigger threat probably so they get NKed and we end up with a couple confirmed townies as our bonus if we divulge twice. If we hit scum we may as well have just departed rather than give scum an extra NK.

I don't think masons are a particularly strong TPR, that's probably subjective though. I liked Enchant's second suggestion better, of just divulging one day instead of two days.

The reason I don't like divulging in general is that we lose the chance to kill a scum that day. I think it takes the pressure off the scum team. It's possible though that if we have a bunch of strong town hunters then divulging is better. IDK.

PEdit:

That's right, they won't even have a PT to share so if we divulge twice we won't even be left with town power equivalent to masons. They would be weaker than masons. I'd rather just divulge 0 or 1 times than 2 in a row.

Taly · Post Post #62 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:49 am

The primary reason I want to divulge is to confscum, not conftown.

So LHF or widely scumread town are baited as NKs, not a consensus townread

Galron · Post Post #63 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:51 am

If someone is divulged maf we just depart them next day right.

Galron · Post Post #64 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:52 am

Departing seems more fun but divulging seems more methodical I guess.

Galron · Post Post #65 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:53 am

I'm that sense frog is right

Enchant · Post Post #66 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:53 am

Last post regarding this and i sleep.

If you THINK someone flip mafia, depart. If you are not so sure (even for a bit), divulge is better, losing townie is worse than revealing.

Cya

Galron · Post Post #67 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:55 am

Yeah starting Day 2 7-3 would be ugh

Bellaphant · Post Post #68 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:02 am

I'm just tending to agree with enchant.

Bellaphant · Post Post #69 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:03 am

Not loving frogster or galron

Frogsterking · Post Post #70 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:03 am

In post 69, Bellaphant wrote:Not loving frogster or galron

What about RCE?

Radical Rat · Post Post #71 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:44 am

With Divulgence we never have to worry about a mislim, and we have more time to proliferate PRs. However, it does put scum 100% in control of deaths, assuming no PR interference, and in the event we mistakenly give scum a PR and they role Vengeful or Vig or PGO or something... That could be very problematic.

I do think having safety in eliminations and more PRs overall is worth that risk though.

VOTE: Divulgence

Galron · Post Post #72 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:53 am

In post 69, Bellaphant wrote:Not loving frogster or galron

Let's hear it.

Taly · Post Post #73 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:55 am

In post 71, Radical Rat wrote:With Divulgence we never have to worry about a mislim, and we have more time to proliferate PRs. However, it does put scum 100% in control of deaths, assuming no PR interference, and in the event we mistakenly give scum a PR and they role Vengeful or Vig or PGO or something... That could be very problematic.

I do think having safety in eliminations and more PRs overall is worth that risk though.

VOTE: Divulgence

You won't be mistakenly giving scum a PR if you heal me

Taly · Post Post #74 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:56 am

In post 54, Enchant wrote:You know alignments of departed, i can assure.

Departing mafia is more benefiting, because you then don't need to waste time killing them, Frog plainly doesh't realise (or care) that on Day 1 we more likely to pow townie, not mafia.
Basically it's choice between "Low" and "High" risk and rewards.

I prefer low.

What is your approach to the heals?