Micro 1060: Radiology Mafia [Game Over]

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Juice
I'll be careful not to say your name 3 times.

[MegAzumarill]

WHERE ARE THE EARS?

[MegAzumarill]

Hardclaim Latvian Hockey Foundation Member

[MegAzumarill]

If you don't know the supernatural entity 9 times out of 10 it's the fae.

[MegAzumarill]

A third vote during RVS? Putting me at L-2 is pretty strange behaviour - certainly not very town orientated.

Why do you say this?

[MegAzumarill]

Is that not a pro-town thing?

[MegAzumarill]

Two more people can hammer me right now - I don't care about dying Day 1 in a mafia game. Everyone on the wagon - would look DAF though afterwards for pushing a RVS wagon

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[MegAzumarill]

This game is already to a very confusing start when half of the player base has already pinged me in a bad way. I feel like it's me and Meg against the world here.

What has pinged you as scummy so far?

[MegAzumarill]

I think the awkwardness rings more tvt than tvs.

I mean it *could be svs, but that feels unlikely.

Really not enjoying Juice's going along here. It feels oppurtunistic and like xyr trying to just follow the town. Makes me think scum

VOTE: Juice
(Yes I know I'm already voting them)

[MegAzumarill]

They are asking what part of the posts make them feel forced

[MegAzumarill]

sigh

[MegAzumarill]

Ausuka - I caught you and marci. Sorry not sorry. If I die - its game over for both of u

You do realize your argiment is extremely unconvincing?
I doubt it amounts to much even if you do flip town

[MegAzumarill]

You baffle me

[MegAzumarill]

You mind saying anything other than their posts seem forced?

Where have you played mafia before?

[MegAzumarill]

You do know there's 12 days left to discuss?

So explain your reasonings here. Explain why ausuka/marci MUST be the scumteam.

[MegAzumarill]

I hero solved the game - after some pointing out from others. GAME OVER! LEGGGGGGGGGGGGGO

Do you expect anyone to be convinced by your solve which you have given 0 evidence for?

Will you continue to not give evidence for it?

If I said the scumteam was hiraki/herta right now would you believe me?

[MegAzumarill]

I'm giving you every lifeline I can here.
Mafia is very much a team sport. It is about persuasion, deception, deduction, but most importantly cooperation. If you are town, your goal isn't just to figure out scum. It is to figure out and persuade others that scum is scum.

In that same vein saying 2 players are the scumteam while not supplying evidence and dying for it would not be helpful to the town, regardless of whether that solve is correct or not.

[MegAzumarill]

I hero solved the game - after some pointing out from others. GAME OVER! LEGGGGGGGGGGGGGO

Do you expect anyone to be convinced by your solve which you have given 0 evidence for?

Will you continue to not give evidence for it?

If I said the scumteam was hiraki/herta right now would you believe me?

If you did believe that - I would respect it

That's only one of the three questions answered

[MegAzumarill]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: johnnyfararr
I'm not dealing with this right now.

[MegAzumarill]

fun fact: meg rolled scum

That's the plan but I gotta gind wm first

Really dislike Juice's backpedal here. I agree with herta it feels very handwavy and I get 'soft' coaching vibes from it. Please elaborate Juice about what you were hoping to find and what your conclusions are from this "test"

[MegAzumarill]

I don't think they approach the wagon in the way they did if it was actually a reaction test. Especially since they ignored a lot of questions, at least a few of which were more general and not about the push they now say is a test.

[MegAzumarill]

Please do

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I don't think they approach the wagon in the way they did if it was actually a reaction test. Especially since they ignored a lot of questions, at least a few of which were more general and not about the push they now say is a test.

Correct. I agree with you that this whole 'test' is not genuine. My point is that I'm not sure if it comes from town or scum. Gut says town but I really don't trust my gut here.

Your gut says being disengenuous is towny?

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Juice

[MegAzumarill]

I think Juice is pretty explicitly refusing to play in a way that helps town.

[MegAzumarill]

You refuse to participate in discussion directly adressed at you.
Even if you aren't being actively Anti-town, you are refusing to engage in pro-town behavior, at all.

If you aren't going to help town play the game then I see no reason not to eliminate you. At worst we lose a non-player.

[MegAzumarill]

Also what interesting Meg - is you've made me one of your main target in this game in the very off. Random Stage - During my rxn test - And after it. This make me think - that you've perhaps decided with your partner - I might be an easy push on Day 1. And when I flip town - you can just be like ' Oh xe was pretty erratic'. 21 - a majority of your post have been about me, but you've really not engaged with any of the more active players. What are you hiding?

I'm hiding extreme frustration with you.
You're welcome.

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Also what interesting Meg - is you've made me one of your main target in this game in the very off. Random Stage - During my rxn test - And after it. This make me think - that you've perhaps decided with your partner - I might be an easy push on Day 1. And when I flip town - you can just be like ' Oh xe was pretty erratic'. 21 - a majority of your post have been about me, but you've really not engaged with any of the more active players. What are you hiding?

I'm not accepting slayer's gambit at this time, or any time.

[MegAzumarill]

You refuse to participate in discussion directly adressed at you.
Even if you aren't being actively Anti-town, you are refusing to engage in pro-town behavior, at all.

If you aren't going to help town play the game then I see no reason not to eliminate you. At worst we lose a non-player.

What is hilarious about this - is that even if you don't understand my style of play. I have actually been attempting to scum hunt and see scum potential in other player. You've only tunnelled one player, but not actually looked at anyone else or been involved in lookign for potential sign of scum.

Using your own logic - If you aren't going to help town play the game then I see no reason why we shouldn't eliminate you. At worst we lose a non-player.

You refuse to communicate in a game where the only input you have is communication.

Justify that.

[MegAzumarill]

why are you engaging with them if theyre clearly not trying to help town? if you think that just move on and try to sort others..?

For the players that are active I don't have the neccessity for it mostly. I can sort them based on play and be done with it for a moment. The problem is I don't feel confident with their being such huge question marks with Johnny and Juice. Herta and Hiraki have some content to analyze, but it's conflicting and recurs to juice anyway. Ausuka, and Aisa are already sorted as +town, and I believe I've clarified on you/qusuka, with aisa being primarily tone/ more subjective reasons. I suppose that would leave you, whom I have prompted for content, and was met with no response.



Speaking of, do you want to clarify your reasons for scumreading me?

[MegAzumarill]

there is a massive irony in meg targetng me - cause they just drawn attention to themselves. You dun played yourself

?

I find no similarities in our playstyles in general or this game.

You refused to engage, I tried to prompt your engagement.

At least you're starting to now.

[MegAzumarill]

there is a massive irony in meg targetng me - cause they just drawn attention to themselves. You dun played yourself

This also doesn't make sense. By sharing a read I'm making myself scummier by non engagement?
Your argument is self defeating and I will address it no longer.

[MegAzumarill]

can i be mean meg???>>???>>?

sure, shoot

[MegAzumarill]

megs just doing this thing where they're roleplaying a teacher. it appears super helpful but it isn't. about iso #11 down is where it gives those vibes. its alot of agreeing / asking questions / explaining shit.

I get what you're saying but why do you think I wouldn't do this as town?

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Do you think town!me sees play that doesn't make any sense from either alignment and not try to divine its purpose from the player? Wouldn't their points have been meaningful if not ignored to show if the play was genuine?
I suspected it wasn't so I probed for my answer.

And I was right. The play was disingenuous, by their own account. That much is settled.

That isn't to say I couldn't (or even wouldn't) have done that as scum but I feel like it should be pretty clear there are motives and values for town!me to play as I have. What part of my play do you not see coming from town!me?

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Why do yiu scumread herta?

[MegAzumarill]

@marci

Spoiler:

Anyway I think marci is town.
Johnny's catch-up is *fine I suppose. I don't want to elim there today at least.


RR
Marci

Aisa
Johnny/Herta
Ausuka/Hiraki

Juice

[MegAzumarill]

To explain what's going on in my head, my thing is Juice keeps just randomly calling people scum and there doesn't seem to be any attempt to actually explain why. ik this is something people have said before. I understand they have said that they play like this to generate reactions. And they did.

What I

specifically

dislike is that any push can be justified under the guise of "just reaction testing hehe " and they are not giving much else to back it up.

Their OMGUSsy reaction is also frankly not helping things though I probably can't see things clearly there atm.

if you actually think this - you would have just kept your vote on me. But because you are mafia - you know I will flip town

This logic doesn't track.

They have stated not voting you yet to prolong the dayphase. That doesn't hinge on your alignment.

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Frankly these "gotcha moments" Juice is using here doesn't add to the reasons of wanting to townread xem. They feel desperate almost, like instead of trying to formulate an argument they want to latch on to some kind of inconsistant logic that doesn't hold up to a basic readthrough of the events.

[MegAzumarill]

Defending you're partner? How prompt

your*

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I think from a basic tone perspective even juice doesn't try to address the town as a whole, rather preferring to address the accused with their scumread which feels odd if they were actually are town. In a vacuum it's fine but the way they are doing it doesn't feel reasoned.

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oh its the grammar police. sum one call the wah wah wah wahmbulance

Marci said I'm being a teacher might as well play the part

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Herta

This is where my heart lies

[MegAzumarill]

Radiologist is a bad thing to lose I bet

you don't say
My bet would be it was something reminiscent of a cop

[MegAzumarill]

My townread on marci is wavering at this point, not into red but perhaps into null.

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I still don't find the case on them particularly convincing at this point though.

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1. I don't think the rabbit is town right now.
2. Just a feeling I get from her being so talkative and combative.

Which rabbit

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VOTE: Marcistar

I have mixed feeling savout the slot but we need more from them than anyone else rn imho.

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Johnny who's your biggest scumread right now

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So aisa you think this push on RR is disengeuous here? Could you elaborate on that more

[MegAzumarill]

Yes, I was wrong about Juice. So was half the game, and Juice was an anomaly by actively playing against the game, up to and including xyr self hammer. It's why I haven't put any effort into wagon analysis, Juice undermined whatever could have been learned by that by refusing to elaborate on anything when asked, and hammering xyrself instead of making someone else pull the trigger. I don't regret voting there, nor do I think there are any useful lessons to be learned. Had Juice played Mafia instead, xe probably would have lived for one, but if they hadn't and if it were my fault, yeah I probably would have stepped back to reevaluate things after.

Juice was an easy push for scum to make because xe acted in such a silly way. I think there were definitely scum pushing that wagon

Or they saw what was happening and knowing xe would likely go down without them pushing it stayed off of it. Actually now that I'm thinking about it, perhaps I should be going back and looking for unnatural defenses of Juice... I'll follow up on this later

I mean, I just disagree. There were definitely people who acknowledged bad play does not mean scum

And there's people who acknowledged that and also acknowledge that the way juice was playing is more likely to come from scum than town.
The only person who really defended Juice at all was Marci and I

think

Hiraki somewhat. I do think that the way marci defended juice was probably +town, but that's pretty much the only thing going for town!marci atp fmpov.

[MegAzumarill]

Cute new avi meg

thanks

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Yes, I was wrong about Juice. So was half the game, and Juice was an anomaly by actively playing against the game, up to and including xyr self hammer. It's why I haven't put any effort into wagon analysis, Juice undermined whatever could have been learned by that by refusing to elaborate on anything when asked, and hammering xyrself instead of making someone else pull the trigger. I don't regret voting there, nor do I think there are any useful lessons to be learned. Had Juice played Mafia instead, xe probably would have lived for one, but if they hadn't and if it were my fault, yeah I probably would have stepped back to reevaluate things after.

Juice was an easy push for scum to make because xe acted in such a silly way. I think there were definitely scum pushing that wagon

Or they saw what was happening and knowing xe would likely go down without them pushing it stayed off of it. Actually now that I'm thinking about it, perhaps I should be going back and looking for unnatural defenses of Juice... I'll follow up on this later

I mean, I just disagree. There were definitely people who acknowledged bad play does not mean scum

And there's people who acknowledged that and also acknowledge that the way juice was playing is more likely to come from scum than town.
The only person who really defended Juice at all was Marci and I

think

Hiraki somewhat. I do think that the way marci defended juice was probably +town, but that's pretty much the only thing going for town!marci atp fmpov.

How do you feel towards marci's wall? Admittedly I haven't looked super hard into their meta as different alignments, but do you think marci would produce something like that as scum?

Overall its alright I guess. I could see scum!marci making that in defense but I do also think it can be town.

[MegAzumarill]

So aisa you think this push on RR is disengeuous here? Could you elaborate on that more

@aisa

[MegAzumarill]

Overall its alright I guess. I could see scum!marci making that in defense but I do also think it can be town.

This is an awfully wishy washy answer. Or noncommittal I guess. I was waiting for Aisa to post to see if it was brought up.

Maybe I'm missing something and that's why it wasn't pointed out?

I don’t really mind the response per se, like sometimes you don’t feel strongly about how AI a post is and that seems fine?

I’ll give you they seem a bit passive now that I look at the ISO again. Either they think we need more from marci, in which case the post above is a bit non-committal, or they have an opinion on marci but haven’t really stated it. Which one is it Meg?

It's that we need more. I don't feel particularly strongly on scum on any player, so it's maybe 2 parts sheeping RR 1 part scumread on my vote here.

In hindsight I should probably do another readthrough of day 1 now that some time has passed.

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Which is interesting since Meg was on the wagon, while continuing to engage with Juice as though xe were just misguided Town. However, this is also a problem I have sometimes, and have been wrongly called scum for it before, so I'm hesitant to jump on it outright.

Imagine calling this a problem.

Full disclosure here, I did want someone to put Juice at E-1 when I unvoted, so that I could give intent and watch the resulting fireworks. Didn't work out that way though.

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I would say the Marco push and the Herta read aren't really scummy independently but play into a worrying trend. I think the part where he says Meg is the most likely player to be scum but spends his time pushing other people is just bad.

I mean is someone being directionless a scumtell considering just about everyone is directionless here?
Although I suppose scum doesn't need to try direction since the game is so stagnant.

VOTE: Johnny

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I think it's a good point.
It's got some flaws sure, but I do agree it's odd behavior.

[MegAzumarill]

UNVOTE:

Hold up I'm dumb
I will not be elaborating at this time

[MegAzumarill]

Marci isn't at e-1

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Marci and Rad Rat were at e-2 for days. With no movement there I think scum must be other than {marci, Rad Rat, herta}. So that leaves Meg, Johnny, Ausuka, Aisa.

I don't think Ausuka and Aisa are paired, same with meg & ausuka. The Ausuka unvote of Johnny seems bad to put marci on e-1.

I can't seem to get my head around something.

This does miss that the slots haven't really been threatened particularly hard. The game is very passive and it's unlikely scum want that to change until close to deadline either way

[MegAzumarill]

(Sighs) Decisions, decisions

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Herta

Does anyone think this would be a bad vote?
Does anyone think this would live until endgame?

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Herta

Does anyone think this would be a bad vote?
Does anyone think this would live until endgame?

So you don't think I'll make it to endgame so kill herta now? I don't understand that.

My point is you're just kind of existing but completely detached from any kind of wagon.
It feels like scum play that gets called out ay some point and the scum goes down so why can't that point be now?
If it stays more of the same then what's the point?

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I think the push on aisa is counterintuitive for scum here

If Herta is scum this seems like a fair step up from their multiple previous scum games I've seen?

I do kind of agree on liking the aisa vote which is just greatly timed for more of a headache for moi

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I think the push on aisa is counterintuitive for scum here

If Herta is scum this seems like a fair step up from their multiple previous scum games I've seen?

I do kind of agree on liking the aisa vote which is just greatly timed for more of a headache for moi

Liking it as its +town for herta, not that I like the idea of limming them.

It felt too ambiguous there

[MegAzumarill]

Aisa is town.
RR is probably town.
The rest of this game is a murky abyss.
I don't want Johnny dead today, though.

[MegAzumarill]

Ausuka is also probably town which leaves (marci/johnny/herta) but gut says herta over marci.

[MegAzumarill]

*Reasons

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I don't want to clarify today but I can tomorrow.

[MegAzumarill]

(expired on 2022-08-31 13:13:05)
I will also give intent.

[MegAzumarill]

That's when I was gonna hammer
I can't guarentee being around shortly after that point till dl.

[MegAzumarill]

ELO

We need to massclaim

Popcorn is tasty, but who to start?

[MegAzumarill]

I think it's herta's go on massclaim

[MegAzumarill]

Mine isn't the easiest to explain so feel free to ask questions

I am a Technologist.
I am essentially a multitasking JOAT with only investigative abilities flavored as various medical tests (i.e X-rays, etc.) I have 4 in total.
I do not get my results, instead each result is sent to a radiologist in the game, who then has to decipher it (I assume as a night action but it isn't specified to me)

In the interest of there possibly being a backup for Hiraki (especially since scum was double likely to interfere with my results) of some kind I won't out targets at the moment so I can confirm the role at least of them.

Ausuka you're up next.

[MegAzumarill]

That leaves aisa

[MegAzumarill]

If I die I can't investigate more people
If hiraki dies he can't receive the results.

So twice as likely to die early as a normal cop, and yeice as likely to be toleblocked

[MegAzumarill]

Full action List
N1
Cop on Johnny
N2
Tracker on Herta
Role Cop on Ausuka
Role Watcher on Radical Rat

[MegAzumarill]

That's why I wanted johnny to live to today in case of a potential backup that couldve gotten the result on Johnny

[MegAzumarill]

My theory is that Hiraki could've only interpreted one a night, so I only sent the most useful n1.

[MegAzumarill]

OKay sorry for the string but I'd think the Radiologist would perform the test and the Technologist interpret it. Did you know that Hiraki was the Radiologist before the flip?

Nope

[MegAzumarill]

ok well meg is probably town I guess

Theoretically this could just be cop Vs 2 goons or something but I don't think Ircher would put effort into that and I'm not convinced meg would do this as scum either

So fmpov it's aisa/Herta, Johnny/Herta or aisa/Johnny, in reverse order of probability

I agree with this assessment.

I guess the amount of town power that has been claimed so far seems roughly balanced. Meg + Hiraki's abilities combined sound like a nerfed investigative, but I guess that if Meg can submit more than one action a night that might balance this. Or it could be Hiraki had some additional ability we're not aware of.

Radiologist is a bad thing to lose I bet

you don't say
My bet would be it was something reminiscent of a cop

*Resists urge to do own interpretation of post*

Can you explain what you were thinking here briefly?

I was crumbing the test I had performed was a cop result to the backup. I feel like if they had inherited the role and been given the test they probably would have noticed

[MegAzumarill]

Nightmare scenario for me, only clear
I'm leaning towards one of herta/johnny rather than ausuka/aisa

[MegAzumarill]

Yes

[MegAzumarill]

1. I got caught up in a game of minesweeper and needed ot rest from it.

Eep, maybe I'm just dense, but I am still not sure if minesweeper is supposed to be a metaphor for something or if you were literally playing minesweeper the logic game?

2. It looked like Ausuka waited until someone unvoted marci to vote marci. That led me to thinking marci and ausuka might be partnered, and ausuka was trying to distance a bit.

Ok. My point was
First you said "I dislike Ausuka putting marci at E-1"
then it was pointed out that marci was not at E-1, and you said "I dislike Ausuka waiting for marci not to be at E-1 to vote there".

That's not always a problem, but the change of opinion was what I was hoping you would comment on :3

Nightmare scenario for me, only clear
I'm leaning towards one of herta/johnny rather than ausuka/aisa

...Being the only clear in 5p elo is the spice of life?

Spoiler: fun

One of my favourite teachers once told us something very similar to your previous sig (that imperfection is the spice of life) and it is to me still one of the most memorable things the man ever said.

Who would you vote between Herta and Johnny, Meg?

I'm leaning toward johnny at the moment

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I'm really quite grumpy about the self-hammer, like. I get it, you felt the wagon wasn't fair, but. At least make scum put in the work to finish you off, give us something readable to work with.

Maintaining Radrat here is town.

VOTE: Herta

Reread his iso and it's really bad, so

HERTA SCUM LETS GOO

Are... are we all on the same page?

not rr and meg being scum buddies

I never really got the sense that town Marci was rereading the game in our last game. More effort to make reads and associatives isn't normally a bad thing, but this does seem different.

VOTE: JohnnyFarrar
It would really help if you could state one read with some motivation behind it. I know you posted this catch-up post, I'm looking for one consolidated stance.

Hey man, if i'm here I'm motivated. If you mean you want me to lead a wagon or something that's prolly not gonna happen, I tend to play psychology more than mafia and people don't like cases based on vibes. I try to be clear with who I vote and why tho.

Were you trying to say that marci is town here? What were you specifically trying to accomplish with this post?

The two of them pitched a fit at each other last game and they were both town, and Aussie in particular strikes me as someone who would be mindful of that. But they doubled down on it, which is hard to read.

Sorry that was spose to be marci. Fingers slipped.

Bruh there ain't no carrots about Marci?? How and who? Like, what?

I'm not getting town pings from anyone really except maybe marci, maybe ausuka. Maybe not ausuka. I don't know. It's lame but aisa's initial post day 1 still grates on me as does her answer to my question abt why she assumed I'm scum seemed over wrought and deflective or something. I can't recall for sure and can't be arsed to go look rn.

This is like a rambly word vomit that doesn't go anywhere, and I'm half on the "is this a bad response to pressure" and half on the "does scum even post this"

mafia thought he appeared competent; especially true if mafia didn't gather much suspicion

This is compelling

In the other hand I do feel like scum has trouble making this post, particularly the bolded feels like a genuine town thought

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I mean I feel like scum has ample room to leverage this observation that's just... not there.

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Of course it being directed at herta also gets into a mess with possible partner dynamics.

There's just, so little to read Johnny off of here. Herta is much more engaged in comparison but with such limited sample size both ways it's a hard call.

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Drats foiled again

But what would Hiraki actually be that would (A) Warrant limited reveal mechanics on a town power role and (B) still be strong enough to solo carry town as the only power role.

I don't see a world that's a thing.

[MegAzumarill]

The fact we don't see what roles do, just names.

Would heavily nerf Hiraki assuming I'm scum and they are cop.

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I'm not really convinced on Ausuka being town here, I just think its more likely to hit scum within herta/johnny. I die tonight anyway so I'm really most concerned with hitting scum right today

[MegAzumarill]

Same here, want to hear what the two have to say

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Johnny


We're at less than 24 hours and at this point I don't think my mind will be changed.

[MegAzumarill]

gg i was scum

[MegAzumarill]

Jk

[MegAzumarill]

gottem + etc. + idk its been a long day

[MegAzumarill]

Im not serious about being scum, hopefully we go to night