Open 864 Thread 3

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Man's innocent n that

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Let's do it Dragon's Den style: give me a pitch

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We're probably allowed to tall about the other threads, but idk why it would help. Nice townslip Malakittens haha. Very real indeed. You obviously know that it's 2 mafia and 1 town with the IC.

NicetryIseeyouandIknowwhatyoudid

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Like if I guessed right now?

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Hahaha wouldn't that be fun.

Like I said, I'd hate to be you, but I also don't really know how to play this - I've never played a game where I'm I'm not scum hunting, and just yelling 'im.the town' feels silly.

Should I pick you right now? It would take the pressure off me. Might be unfair to the others though.

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I'm the town, yes. Would I pick me right now? Maybe, I couldn't honestly tell you. Like, I think I'd much rather be the scum here, because I can just see this getting boring and frustrating for both of us

Ok, you defused my clumsy reaction test with grace and decorum. I don't think this will get boring and frustrating. Usually what happens with this kind of role in short form mafia (King in mafia.gg) is that the King will lord it over everyone and town and scum end up uniting to vote the King, despite it doing nothing.

Anyway: I have a question for everyone (which you do not have to answer): (I feel like if you don't answer it though, you're kind of answering it..)

If you had to choose IC, basic town or mafia, which would you want to be? (with reasons pls)

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Mala, Nona, preferred role in this setup if you could choose?

Also, there's only so much "I know you're scum haha" that I can take. I appreciate that you guys don't just want to talk to me the whole time but keep it somewhat productive if possible.

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sorry I missed it, thanks

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Subject: Open 864 Thread 1

furtiveglance please look at how Malakittens pretends they aren't scum, the rules are right there in the thread for us town to see. very fake. why does bellaphant not say anything about that? either way, malakittens mafia for lying about rules

Thanks buddy, I remarked on this in 8!

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That's the best kind of cross-thread quote that I can manage, sorry.

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This setup already feels quite fun and dynamic.

@Auro, I know you don't have much to go off so far, so I'll ask you a theoretical question. Considering that scum has daytalk, what kind of shenanigans would you pull as mafia to look unpaired? E.g. misspelling your partner's name, posing awkward questions to the town to make the two of you seem paired. Those 2 ideas were quite bad but you get the idea!

@Gamma Emerald, what do you make of Your Highness's early posting? Quite spirited, isn't it?

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I'm the town, yes. Would I pick me right now? Maybe, I couldn't honestly tell you. Like, I think I'd much rather be the scum here, because I can just see this getting boring and frustrating for both of us

Ok, you defused my clumsy reaction test with grace and decorum. I don't think this will get boring and frustrating. Usually what happens with this kind of role in short form mafia (King in mafia.gg) is that the King will lord it over everyone and town and scum end up uniting to vote the King, despite it doing nothing.

Anyway: I have a question for everyone (which you do not have to answer): (I feel like if you don't answer it though, you're kind of answering it..)

If you had to choose IC, basic town or mafia, which would you want to be? (with reasons pls)

I like the one I got because I get to solve but without the pressure of having to decide. While I don’t envy you or any of the ICs, I think it’s a tough setup for scum to win. So my order of preference is basic town, IC and scum in that order. I just have to hope that you and the other ICs will get it right.

I imagine your solve for this thread was quite easy.

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Mala, much has been made of your incorrect assumption in 7 that there was only 1 mafia and 2 town. You say in this post that you read how it worked. How thoroughly did you read it!?

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and by 'it' I mean the setup.

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Yeah easy game, you guys just tell me who to vote for.

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Can I keep everyone?

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I guess in the lore of mafia the 2 mafia here can just overpower us since 1 mafia is meant to be stronger than 1 town, maybe I have magic powers or something

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Here's a *pagetop* next SERIOUS question for everyone now:

Try and guess what my current thoughts are, and which posts have stood out to me as alignment-indicative? Are you worried that you're presently being scumread? Do you think that a nefarious mafioso could be the object of my affections? Which way do you think I'm leaning at the moment, and why?

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Your current thoughts are the following:

I'm an innocent child
Hear me calling
(I'm an) innocent child
Hear me calling

Yes I was moaning my role over and over like a banshee. Is this a cover or an original?

- Personally I should be worried that you’re not townreading me because that means if you pick me as part of the mafia team then we won’t win and we have to go to this part II. I’m hoping that you’ll work with the other ICs. We have one IC that can confidently read me for the most part so I hope that you won’t make a decision in haste and look for advice of other confirmed town.

Why do you assume I'm not townreading you? Also, are you asking me to hand my decision over to Gamma Emerald?

- I’m glad though personally you’re an IC because you have I already have done a 1v1 and you were p damn good there when you were scum. So I’m glad I don’t have to go head to head with you again.

- at this point you’re gonna pick who you think is who you think.

okr

I am going to write in between your writing, because I am the King and I do as I please. I also haven't mastered strip-quoting yet.

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Here's a *pagetop* next SERIOUS question for everyone now:

Try and guess what my current thoughts are, and which posts have stood out to me as alignment-indicative? Are you worried that you're presently being scumread? Do you think that a nefarious mafioso could be the object of my affections? Which way do you think I'm leaning at the moment, and why?

Hopefully post 37. I don’t need to go on and on about my alignment, I would much rather just make that self-evident.

Why should 37 reveal your alignment? Is it that you said you were town?

I very much hope that isn’t the case.

I can’t read your mind but I’m just going to hope and pray you figure it out and not get pocketed. I would also advise all of the ICs to take into account the other two’s reads and that’s our best chance of getting it right in all three threads. The worst mistake would be to not pay attention to their reads. I also would trust my instincts.

So, listen to the other ICs but also trust my instincts. Got it.

So furtive, what are you thoughts on the other two threads? I can’t tell so far with Gamma’s thread. YH is doing the most solving but I need to hear more from Galron and NM.

I like Your Highness, whatever their alignment. They have quite a fun energy. In Auro's thread, I'd like to see what Yume says about the other threads.

Auro’s thread, I think I still like obscure the most so far. Yume is ?? Nutmeil seems to be overdoing it.

Nutmeil

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I think you are choosing between me and Nona and yeah, reasonable - I honestly thought we had an easy win here before they started posting.

Never presume, it makes a pres out of um and e. You fear Nona - why? And why did you think you were townier than Mala? They've called in their specialist metareader to read them - why do that as mafia?

I think my reaction test response was pretty telling but like....I don't wanna be a dancing monkey for two weeks..at some point you see going to have to make a decision:)

When I asked if I should choose you right then and there in 12, you said maybe. That doesn't strike me as impatient. And secondly, I intend to use the whole 2 weeks. So you'll have to Dance Monkey, it helps me read Tones and I need that to make my decision.

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I think you are choosing between me and Nona and yeah, reasonable - I honestly thought we had an easy win here before they started posting.

Never presume, it makes a pres out of um and e. You fear Nona - why? And why did you think you were townier than Mala? They've called in their specialist metareader to read them - why do that as mafia?

I think my reaction test response was pretty telling but like....I don't wanna be a dancing monkey for two weeks..at some point you see going to have to make a decision:)

When I asked if I should choose you right then and there in 12, you said maybe. That doesn't strike me as impatient. And secondly, I intend to use the whole 2 weeks. So you'll have to Dance Monkey, it helps me read Tones and I need that to make my decision.

Oops

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Mala'd fake town slip just looks bad, but Nona looks really town! Their whole tone and vibe. Also, definitely reading that as a meter - reader.

Wanna play a game? Let's play two lies and a truth about dance monkey!
1) my brother worked on the video
2) I can play it on the flute
3) I rewrote the words to create a kids song at church

3 is the truth?

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Obvs.

Knowing as you do that Mala is mafia, why would they appeal to GE to read them? Surely if GE can read them, they'll get found out?

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I didn't say it looked towny, or out of their scum range. How can someone's scum game be lucky? You've left me bemused.

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I mean, you two are obviously tryharding too hard.

This is a tautology isn't it? Tryharding implies that you're trying too hard. My point is that Yume either really feels this or really wants Auro to feel it. What do you guys make of it?

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We have time, I'm sure the other ICs will do their thing.

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Actually nutmiel is looking better now but really didn’t like his opening. I still like obscure the best.

I’m glad we have two weeks though.

Hopefully Not Mafia posts something before then.

Galron not being willing to read any other threads looks really bad.

Yeah Oatmeal is an interesting one for sure.

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Lurky!!! Ffs

I don't think lurking would go down too well in this setup, especially since the aim is to stand out rather than blend in.

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I'm looking forward to Not_Mafia's entrance. I'd imagine this setup will be hard for them.

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@GammaEmerald

I have the alive thread haha. Also, can you really metaread Malakittens usually?

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Imagine having 4 pages of discussion so soon, group 3 are a bunch of losers

Does anyone have any good comebacks for this?

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Although yeah, it does look like it should be obscure, your highness And me.

I think it would be a bit helpful for the ics to share their thoughts a bit more..

Idk, I like keeping my cards close to my chest.

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I'd say I have one read that might surprise you guys, and my other thoughts kind of line up with what other ICs have said because they're quite surface-level observations.

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I wanna see YH post again but I'm inclined to pick him

I think we should wait a bit before choosing.

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Idk, I like keeping my cards close to my chest.

^This. I agree with Furtive here.

Oh my dayz you ain't an IC you can't relate broooooooooo

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Actually nutmiel is looking better now but really didn’t like his opening. I still like obscure the best.

I’m glad we have two weeks though.

Hopefully Not Mafia posts something before then.

Galron not being willing to read any other threads looks really bad.

What do you like about obscure, Nona? I find obscure to be sus.

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If I had to lock in my picks for the other 2 threads after 2 days I'd say Your Highness and Hutmeil.

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Actually nutmiel is looking better now but really didn’t like his opening. I still like obscure the best.

I’m glad we have two weeks though.

Hopefully Not Mafia posts something before then.

Galron not being willing to read any other threads looks really bad.

What do you like about obscure, Nona? I find obscure to be sus.

Oh really? What do you find sus about them?

Tone is too casual, feels forced. Hutmeil is more earnest.

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thread 1 is very clearly yourhighness as the townie.

And the immediacy and confidence of this read looks informed to me.

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thread 2 i still think obscure is town, huntmeal seems overly friendly in the mafia way and is trying to get the ics on his side and itskinda wierd and yumi sound like he is lying through the teeth, like he had pain typing his words so ya i pick obscure there

Damn I feel bad for huntmeal. I mean Nutmeil was bad enough, but sheeeeeeesh

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I bet the start of scumchat was like this:
Mafia 1: We should do Good Cop Bad Cop, like one of us be obvious mafia, one of us be shadow of doubt.
Mafia 2: Ok, I'll be obvious mafia.
Mafia 1: Noo I wanted to be obvious mafia!

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And the name's

hutmeil

(not high, not oatmeal, not nutmeil, not huntmeal)

Damn fr?

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the read on me. Like, you can't think of a real reason to scumread me because you know I'm a townie.

I'm a little torn between nonna and Bella as the townie in their thread. I need to read more carefully later.

Obscure, what makes you think Malakittens is mafia?

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Yeah, it's not yume

Mixed feelings on obscure, this game is weird in which you feel like you should go for the 'obvious ' choice but should you???

Is obscure the 'obvious' town or not?

And who are you thinking for Gamma Emerald's thread?

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Nm is scum, obviously. Your highness is the only one that looks like solving, but it's actually really pro scum for a acun to say the town is deffo between one scum and one town in the other threads.

So you're saying it's between YH and Galron?

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Maybe controversial actually but I really dislike obscures post to hotmail.com about making up reasons to scum read, as it just throws shade without actually advancing the point of the thread.

How controversial is this opinion really, given that I said this earlier?

Actually nutmiel is looking better now but really didn’t like his opening. I still like obscure the best.

I’m glad we have two weeks though.

Hopefully Not Mafia posts something before then.

Galron not being willing to read any other threads looks really bad.

What do you like about obscure, Nona? I find obscure to be sus.

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Hotmail

Oh I haven’t heard that in forever. Poor hutmeil his name is being butchered left and right

Tbh N_M not wanting to read other threads or comment isn’t exactly out of his townrange or scum range. I was surprised when he joined it bc i knew it wasn’t gonna be his cup of tea

So you think NM could be the town? Or do you prefer Galron/YH?

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I think I'm currently leaning towards obscure as this thread's VT. What do you think, fellow ICs?

I'm thinking hutmeil is more sincere.

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Here's a maths question for anyone interested: Is the probably of all ICs getting it right first time 1/27 (1/3 cubed)? Or am I getting it wrong? I've got to 1/27 of insta town win, 8/27 of insta maf win (2/3 cubed), and therefore 18/27 = 2/3 of us having a final round.

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Assuming there is a 2nd round, we'll have a group of 3 non ICs which is neither all town nor all mafia. That's useful info at least.

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I think unless not doing much of anything is scum indicative for all the players this could conceivably apply to, it’s probably unlikely we get it right on the first try

Are you saying you don't think that Your Highness/Hutmeil/Obscure contains the other 2 town? They're the more active players in the other threads.

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Assuming there is a 2nd round, we'll have a group of 3 non ICs which is neither all town nor all mafia. That's useful info at least.

Can you explain this? I thought say 2 was just the same set up again with a bit more scum influence

Pretty sure we ICs all lock in our picks publicly, then we aren't told who is right or wrong but we either insta win if all right, instal lose if all wrong and do a final round if 1/2 of us were right. So we get some info that way basically.

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I think I know who this thread's Town is.

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furtive does it concern you at all that the two other ICs are not mindmelding with you on obscure? While I agree both obscure and hutmeil are looking pretty good right now, you still haven’t really explained to me why you don’t think obscure is sincere?

It doesn't concern me. It's the least of my concerns.

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I'm pretty sure we'll get at least one right but not all 3 right (2/3 chance), so my view only really matters if I'm chosen by mafia.

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I'm pretty sure we'll get at least one right but not all 3 right (2/3 chance), so my view only really matters if I'm chosen by mafia.

While that’s true, I meant that why aren’t you considering their opinions?

While it’s not currently your decision to make. which is obviously true, fypov, you should want to be looking at the only two slots you know 100% to be town for their reasoning and that would obviously apply to all three threads.

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I obviously am considering their opinions, I just disagree.

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I've got some thoughts about this thread.

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Seems like the other ICs/potential VTs are saying the readslist is like:

Bella/Nona




Mala D;

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Seems like the other ICs/potential VTs are saying the readslist is like:

Bella/Nona




Mala D;

So what if Mala is the VT?

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Here's a question for @hutmeil and @obscure:

Who is town: Bella or Nona?

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We have a few days left then.

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Mala, it looks like Gamma isn't townreading you. Are they making a mistake?

Here's a question for everyone: Hutmeil or Obscure? (sorry Yume!)

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Always. It’s gonna be the first game in a while he’s read me wrong. But this game is harder he can’t active engage with me like he normally does so

Washed Emerald perhaps?

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Always. It’s gonna be the first game in a while he’s read me wrong. But this game is harder he can’t active engage with me like he normally does so

Washed Emerald perhaps?

rude ;-;

No I think you're right

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I'm nearly ready to lock in my pick, I just want Bella and Nona to lock in Hutmeil/Obscure picks first.

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neil

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@Nona. Come in.

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It’s extremely frustrating that both obscure and hutmeil are waffling on me and Bella, so that obviously isn’t helping.

And you're not waffling on them?

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You're locking in obscure then.

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You're locking in obscure then.

Once you lock it in, there's no going back.

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fg

AHM SARRY

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fg

You can still give your pick, just for fun though

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I’m not the IC, so technically I don’t have to lock in anything.

I told you what my read is. I don’t think it’s Yume because she’s not doing anything. Am I certain it’s obscure and not hutmeil? Obviously no but it’s currently my best guess.

You don’t agree with me anyway right unless that’s changed?

Let's say I abdicated and made you the IC. Who are you locking in?

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Great stuff guys!

@Auro and Gamma: What do you think about my options?

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Yeah I've been leaning Nona, I'm gonna lock it in. Obviously apologies if wrong etc etc. Don't worry about too much "WOW you were wrong I was the VT/you were right I was the VT" stuff in thread before it gets locked, I'm aware there will likely be a 2nd round and no one gets flipped.

Advice for the other ICs is YH/Hutmeil, I still believe in hutmeil but I know I'm outnumbered in that.

Time to whip out the vote tags - Drapion don't get confused, this is who I'm choosing for VT!

VOTE: Nona1510

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oh

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so I've got 3 bakas here with me

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I feel honoured to be chosen as the least likely to choose correctly.

Here are your initial tasks.

Hutmeil: Go and find some old games of Nona, if there are any. Do they have any scumtells?

Nona: Do you think you were the only town chosen?

Not_Mafia: Were you surprised when GE picked you? Or were you confident?

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I'm obviously town here, I'm perfect VT pick for scum

Were you surprised that GE picked you? I was.

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Who cares whether I was surprised or not? The point is I'm town here

Were you surprised?

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I feel honoured to be chosen as the least likely to choose correctly.

Here are your initial tasks.

Hutmeil: Go and find some old games of Nona, if there are any. Do they have any scumtells?

Nona: Do you think you were the only town chosen?

Not_Mafia: Were you surprised when GE picked you? Or were you confident?

2 different mafia and 1 different town will be assigned to an IC’s thread.
The IC has 2 weeks to decide who they think the town is among the 3.

furtive, I know I’m the only town here, just like I obviously knew that both Bella and Mala had to be scum.

Oh, I meant when the ICs locked in our picks, Auro went for Obscure. Do you think Obscure was town?

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Hutmeil was Bella or Mala town?

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Feeling a bit stuck at the moment.

Do you guys have any arguments that you think will help me?

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furitiveglance hurry up

The mod hasn't even set a deadline for this round

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Well I know for a fact that NM and Nona are scum. So that GE gamble on NM was a bad decision. I don't know why she had to roll the dice there. As for Nona, I don't blame you for that since Nona was very townie. If I were IC I might have chosen her as well.

You might have chosen Nona? Would you or not? I'd expect you to have been thinking about this, were you?

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Mod, how long do I have to decide?

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furitiveglance hurry up

The mod hasn't even set a deadline for this round

Okay but I got prodded

I think I'll take my time rather than cater to your desire to end the game.

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Feeling a bit stuck at the moment.

Do you guys have any arguments that you think will help me?

I wish I could think of something that could help you.

I will try to think of something, hopefully.

All I can come up with right now is possible theories why scum chose me specifically. I think Bella trying to make you doubt you choosing me, was an obvious ploy to make you question your decision, just in case the other two ICs chose incorrectly and it’s obvious that at least one did, since Not Mafia is here.

Look at this grovelling

I did look at it. I actually like the grovelling, you should do some.

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Feeling a bit stuck at the moment.

Do you guys have any arguments that you think will help me?

I wish I could think of something that could help you.

I will try to think of something, hopefully.

All I can come up with right now is possible theories why scum chose me specifically. I think Bella trying to make you doubt you choosing me, was an obvious ploy to make you question your decision, just in case the other two ICs chose incorrectly and it’s obvious that at least one did, since Not Mafia is here.

From your perspective, is Not_Mafia more obvious mafia than hutmeil?

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Mod, how long do I have to decide?

Sunday.

Got it.

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Prodding myself

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Feeling a bit stuck at the moment.

Do you guys have any arguments that you think will help me?

I wish I could think of something that could help you.

I will try to think of something, hopefully.

All I can come up with right now is possible theories why scum chose me specifically. I think Bella trying to make you doubt you choosing me, was an obvious ploy to make you question your decision, just in case the other two ICs chose incorrectly and

it’s obvious that at least one did, since Not Mafia is here.

Nona, what you're saying here is that it's obvious at least one IC chose wrong because N_M is here. But from your POV both hutmeil and N_M are mafia. Besides the very fact that we have a second round shows that at least one IC chose wrong. So the way you used N_M implies that you think N_M is more obvious mafia than hutmeil, that's why I asked the question.

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Well I know for a fact that NM and Nona are scum. So that GE gamble on NM was a bad decision. I don't know why she had to roll the dice there. As for Nona, I don't blame you for that since Nona was very townie. If I were IC I might have chosen her as well.

You might have chosen Nona? Would you or not? I'd expect you to have been thinking about this, were you?

Hutmeil?

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VOTE: Nona

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Wp to hutmeil, sorry if wrong etc

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My bad guys

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Wow, didn't think of that

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If you did, would you have just voted for Nona immediately or tried talking with Not_Mafia?

Depends on when I thought of it, but I didn't think N_M was town from quite early on