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I doIn post 447, MathBlade wrote:I don’t agree with your 93 post at all.
I think me and Roden were calling Drap on the same thing, just expressing it differently<Embrace The Void>
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Where are elements and NK15?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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sorry kids i've had a very busy day today, I'll catch up tomorrow!I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
It's scummy as fak tho - Gamma Emerald
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In post 455, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:I currently think MegAzumarill is town as well.
Worst case scenarios, ratio of town to cult:
Day 2 6:2
Day 3 4:3
Curious what you’re reading Meg as town for but this seems solidIn post 456, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:If it can be achieved, I will execute Malakittens, Not Known 15 or Elements this day phase. This decision is not final.<Embrace The Void>
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Are they CL? My thoughts
MegAzumarill - Interesting. I started off thinking there was no way Meg could be CL but looking through their iso there are a lot of times Meg has said what Drapion is doing is scummy and that they're not town reading Drapion for it but never putting a read into words. Then later when getting to the end of the day phase with so much pressure still on Drapion, flipping to scumming Drapion.
Malakittens - idk. Could be CL trying to just survive the first 1 or 2 days? Could also just be town. I'm inclined to lean towards the latter.
Roden - I don't think was scum on day 1. I do think this could have been the recruit slot last night.
MathBlade - Not CL
Fredrick A Campbell - Little to no interaction with Drapion. Calls Drapion town in 296 then says fre doesn't think Drapion's early game is alignment indicative in 305. Neither Drapion or Campbell interacted with each other at all on day one but both called the other one town. At this point this is my best bet for CL
Gamma Emerald - Not CL
Not Known 15 - Pushed Drapion all day 1.
VOTE: Fredrick A CampbellI agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
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VOTE: MegAzumarillIn post 458, Elements wrote:Are they CL? My thoughts
MegAzumarill - Interesting. I started off thinking there was no way Meg could be CL but looking through their iso there are a lot of times Meg has said what Drapion is doing is scummy and that they're not town reading Drapion for it but never putting a read into words. Then later when getting to the end of the day phase with so much pressure still on Drapion, flipping to scumming Drapion.
Malakittens - idk. Could be CL trying to just survive the first 1 or 2 days? Could also just be town. I'm inclined to lean towards the latter.
Roden - I don't think was scum on day 1. I do think this could have been the recruit slot last night.
MathBlade - Not CL
Fredrick A Campbell - Little to no interaction with Drapion. Calls Drapion town in 296 then says fre doesn't think Drapion's early game is alignment indicative in 305. Neither Drapion or Campbell interacted with each other at all on day one but both called the other one town. At this point this is my best bet for CL
Gamma Emerald - Not CL
Not Known 15 - Pushed Drapion all day 1.
VOTE: Fredrick A Campbell
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In post 432, MathBlade wrote:
I have a few theories but I want to see who responds to what before giving an overarching view.In post 431, Roden wrote:
Who do you think is most likely CL?In post 428, MathBlade wrote:Roden you may be right and Mala scum but she makes more sense as cult not CL.
I don’t think a CL quick hammers their only buddy like that.
I do agree that Mala fits the bill for a recruit target though.
I think everyone's checked in at this point.In post 436, MathBlade wrote:I think I have a pretty good idea who I wanna flip but I think we are still missing a few people checking in to be sure-
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This read way too honest for me. This reads to me like Drapion had a plan to be TR’d early and Drapion is one of those too honest scum that doesn’t know yet how to highlight which points of scum to highlight and which not. This makes me think that Drapion will have never voted the cult leader.In post 28, ProfessorDrapion wrote:Yeah honestly I think our objective here is to figure out who the CL is and make sure they are executed today.
Also make sure to remember that the second cult member might try and save their CL today cause if they don’t they would have a low chance of winning.
My suggestion is to make sure if your town reading someone not to blindly sheep their town reads (I never do) but cause like they could be the second cultist trying to make their CL look good so make sure you have valid reasons for each of your Townreads.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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The only people Drapion never voted were Gamma and myself. I think if I follow some things properly then we should be able to keep things the same and form a major town block here.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I think furthermore if my theory that Gamma isn’t CL is correct because of the vote then it’s likely Elements isn’t either because I don’t see any evidence of a planned bus. Maybe a planned conversion of Elements later but this really reads as TMI.In post 92, ProfessorDrapion wrote:I do actually like Elements too but nothing that makes me say “yeah this is town”
But I do think Gamma/Elements are not both aligned together so if Gamma flips wolf then I think Elements is just town.
Although I guess if Gamma isn’t the CL then the CL could convert Elements and no longer make them town but my point is I don’t think they are ever starting wolves.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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In post 463, MathBlade wrote:The only people Drapion ever voted were Gamma and myself. I think if I follow some things properly then we should be able to keep things the same and form a major town block here.
Edit by way of post: I meant ever voted not never. Autocorrect was drunk.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Now looking here given that Drapion flipped cult we have context at this point.In post 127, catboi wrote:
Gamma was wagoned (likely not CL)
Me (likely not CL I mean I know I am not just typing in an unbiased way)
Drapion (wagon)
I think this VC eliminates NK 15 from being cult leader unless it was a planned bus. I find this unlikely as Drapion wouldn’t have left long lasting connections to Gamma and myself. For this reason I don’t think NK15 is cult leader.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I will comment on this later.In post 141, Roden wrote:I think me saying that Gamma's play is +town has a pretty huge effect on that theory. I'm pushing on Drapion, but I also scum read Hutmeil since they've done next to nothing so far and feel frozen.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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In post 161, MegAzumarill wrote:Drapion feels.... weirdly tunneled here. I don't think scum!drapion does this here in a vacuum (especially CL!drapion), but this push feels too off to me for me to call it town.
Drapion is there some context here I might be missing for your Gamma read?
This. 100% now knowing that Drapion is cult then we know that Drapion had an agenda when they started pushing Gamma. Now it is possible that Gamma is CL and Drapion did a planned bus thing I see it as possible in the VCs but I don’t see it here. For this reason and another spicy reason I think Meg is not cult leader.In post 166, MegAzumarill wrote:
A lot of it puts justification to their actions IF they are scum, but it misses WHY they are scum and not town.In post 165, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
What’s off about my push on Gamma exactly?In post 161, MegAzumarill wrote:Drapion feels.... weirdly tunneled here. I don't think scum!drapion does this here in a vacuum (especially CL!drapion), but this push feels too off to me for me to call it town.
Drapion is there some context here I might be missing for your Gamma read?
Do you not think I bring up good points for my push?
Unless I'm missing something it looks like Gamma is scum is the assumption you started with hereScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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MegAzumarill — eliminated as CL
Malakittens
Roden
MathBlade — me not scum
Elements — established unlikely
ProfessorDrapion — Flipped cult
Fredrick A Campbell
Gamma Emerald — established unlikely
Not Known 15 — established unlikely
This is the pool I see for possible CLs right now.
I strongly disagree with taking Roden out of this pool.
However if after my case you find that Roden is not the CL I will vote somewhere else in my pool.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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This very much reads to me like Drapion’s CL had the intention of converting me and then driving that bus into the ground. Let’s look at the prior post Drapion had.In post 417, ProfessorDrapion wrote:Yes.
One of my voters are definitely a cult and I think it’s Math.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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This post was written when Drapion knew he was dying.In post 414, ProfessorDrapion wrote:I mean I’m not the worst to execute here.
I’m not PR and I’m not cult either.
You’d think it’s obvious cause everyone is voting for me without hesitation.
If I was cult I would have had a real crummy reaction or possibly even PR claimed out off panic to try and survive.
The CL Math is now voting me cause Gamma isn’t, but Gamma probably will again and hammer cause they probably figure they can get away with an ML on me here.
Math’s read on me was fake this entire game it’s not that hard to see.
Y’all can unvote if you want to prevent this ML and vote the CL Math.
Orrrrrrr
Let me die and just get me outta here cause I’m clearly cults priority ML.
But I’ll tell you a legacy here.
After I am ML’ed do not vote Elements and do not vote NK15 before math or Gamma. Vote Meg over Roden.
Oh and if Gamma is actually town I’d vote Mala.
This gives insight into what he was thinking. Now combine this with who was on the Drapion wagon.
ProfessorDrapion (5): Not Known 15, Roden, MegAzumarill, MathBlade, Malakittens
Roden and Malakittens are the only viable suspects that meet all the criteria from Drapions play. However I find the soft defenses of Drapion much more compelling as a CL candidate.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Now comes the question of who Roden would convert.
If they tried me and failed they would know they would need to buddy me. Especially if they think I am the inconvertible Townie.
This really matches his open and why I wanted to back off and give space to see if someone else was a convert target.
Nothing is striking me now which makes me think he failed the convert.
VOTE: RodenScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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The one exception is maybe Frederick because imho that PoE is terrible.In post 456, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:If it can be achieved, I will execute Malakittens, Not Known 15 or Elements this day phase. This decision is not final.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I don't really think so. PoE for CL is between those 3 and Fred himself for me off of associatives. Still personally think elements is town here.In post 473, MathBlade wrote:
The one exception is maybe Frederick because imho that PoE is terrible.In post 456, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:If it can be achieved, I will execute Malakittens, Not Known 15 or Elements this day phase. This decision is not final.
I don't think CL!Roden risks a N1 cop or JK loss and doesn't really need to bus like they did eod 1.
NK15 did push Drapion a lot day 1, but there still wasn't a lot else and cult losing vanilla members isn't really disincentivised here. It also felt like a very passve push.
Mala quickhammered unnecessarily with not much in her ISO to hold her aloft. Frederick is in a similar boat although nothing stands as strong out which really can go either way in comparisonImprefection is the spice of life.
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