Micro 1061: If Trees Could Scream [Game Over]

[Ircher]

Hello
VOTE: Don Draper

[Ircher]

All caps is overrrated.

[Ircher]

Wagons are a good way. How about a Don Draper one?

[Ircher]

If not Draper, how about Porkens?

[Ircher]

Well Draper is making this big fuss and all, so.......

[Ircher]

It's not, but it's also early. There is merit in looking elsewhere.

[Ircher]

HEY I CAN YELL TOO! Restraint is a virtue.

[Ircher]

If not Draper, how about Porkens?

Well Draper is making this big fuss and all, so.......

It's not, but it's also early. There is merit in looking elsewhere.

Why are you still voting us then?

I didn't want to kill wagon momentum. It was more of a "if you rather" kind of thing. I could move now, but I don't really have a place to go with it, so....

I thought both reactions looked scummy to me: Titus voting me for not doing enough by page freaking 2 and Ircher for apparently no reason whatsoever, advocating wagoning us and I still think this. I no longer think they look aligned like I’ve said recently.

Look, it was early game. I advocated for wagoning you all because I was already voting there. If I started the game voting Titus instead for instance, I would've advocated there instead.

Didn't read too much today as I had a long work day; I just searched for my username to see if anything pressing came up.

[Ircher]

Entchant always has low content. What's the difference here Porkens?

[Ircher]

Can you quote it for me?

[Ircher]

Where is Ircher’s content? Enchant is doing a lot more than the three of you.

THe site was down for 2+ days, and I explained last time I was here that I ddin't have much time to read through.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Titus

Don Draper is probably town, but they also seemed rather tunneled on me for an RVS vote that I haven't moved until now.

[Ircher]

Posts 64 and 111. While I don't necessarily disagree with the argument, I do believe that Titus's conviction is too strong especially given how often Titus has played with you.

[Ircher]

If not Draper, how about Porkens?

Well Draper is making this big fuss and all, so.......

It's not, but it's also early. There is merit in looking elsewhere.

Why are you still voting us then?

I didn't want to kill wagon momentum. It was more of a "if you rather" kind of thing. I could move now, but I don't really have a place to go with it, so....

I thought both reactions looked scummy to me: Titus voting me for not doing enough by page freaking 2 and Ircher for apparently no reason whatsoever, advocating wagoning us and I still think this. I no longer think they look aligned like I’ve said recently.

Look, it was early game. I advocated for wagoning you all because I was already voting there. If I started the game voting Titus instead for instance, I would've advocated there instead.

Didn't read too much today as I had a long work day; I just searched for my username to see if anything pressing came up.

Posts 64 and 111. While I don't necessarily disagree with the argument, I do believe that Titus's conviction is too strong especially given how often Titus has played with you.

These don't seem congruent with each other.

How so?

[Ircher]

@Ircher, who do you sr other than Titus and who are your townreads?

~Nancy

From town to scum:

Ircher
Vanderscamp
SCRRRDBEAR
Don Draper x Mistress (hydra of Nancy Drew 39 and Auro)
furtiveglance
Enchant
Porkens
Herta
Titus

[Ircher]

Why am I your top town?

I think you were asking townie-motivated questions in posts 43, 44, 47, and 49.

If not Draper, how about Porkens?

Well Draper is making this big fuss and all, so.......

It's not, but it's also early. There is merit in looking elsewhere.

Why are you still voting us then?

I didn't want to kill wagon momentum. It was more of a "if you rather" kind of thing. I could move now, but I don't really have a place to go with it, so....

I thought both reactions looked scummy to me: Titus voting me for not doing enough by page freaking 2 and Ircher for apparently no reason whatsoever, advocating wagoning us and I still think this. I no longer think they look aligned like I’ve said recently.

Look, it was early game. I advocated for wagoning you all because I was already voting there. If I started the game voting Titus instead for instance, I would've advocated there instead.

Didn't read too much today as I had a long work day; I just searched for my username to see if anything pressing came up.

Posts 64 and 111. While I don't necessarily disagree with the argument, I do believe that Titus's conviction is too strong especially given how often Titus has played with you.

These don't seem congruent with each other.

Look, can someone explain how the timeline works or doesn't work here?

You want me to move on? Talk to me.

I asked you directly to elaborate on what you find incongruent between these posts. I see no contradiction here. I had an RVS vote on Draper that I decided not to move to see where things go, and then after it concluded, I moved my vote to a real vote.

PORKENS CAN YOU POST A LIST OF YOUR READS

I would like this from Porkens as well.

I have to be able to call a spade a spade. That's reality.

Anyway, Herta's last post looks rather tmi.

VOTE: Herta

What looked tmi about it? It's making pre-flip associatives, sure, but I see people do that all the time (even when they are very wrong).

Tmi = too much information.

I don't buy Herta actually TRs Ircher because he can't find a partner for Ircher. He doesn't even consider me as a partner for Ircher, which also suggests a lack of analysis.

Now, I'll figure out some other way to comment on what I see with Nancy that's less bothersome but I'm not going to let Nancy object to my FoS and then do nothing productive and then paint me as the bad girl.

It's not tmi to believe X and Y are not aligned...

[Ircher]

Retract sus on Herta, was never feeling it

Convenient

When are you going to post reads?

I still don’t see the so-called “tmi” that Titus was alluding to.

Herta, if I am correct, knows Ircher is town. Therefore, he came up with flimsy reasons to townread Ircher. The lack of viable suspects/partners is a load of hogwash, particularly his confidence that scum never put their partners at top or bottom. That's stronger than my rule of 3 confidence.

That still seems like a stretch to call that tmi...

Fine VOTE: unvote reads list incomming

It better be here before today is over.

I'd like if everyone answered a question: Do you think any bus votes have happened on any wagon excluding mine? (I know I'm town so I know mine can't be bussing.)

It's too early to tell. (Also, I'm too lazy to check even if it was not too early.)

[Ircher]

VOTE: Porkens
I expected a reads list by now. I'm start to think that Porkens has no reads (because they haven't posted one yet) given that they have had plenty of time to post some by now.

[Ircher]

I read most of the game and I just can’t form reads on anyone. I’d be fine with eliminating any of you.

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[Ircher]

It doesn't even have to be earth-shattering. You really couldn't find a single thing that stood out to you? A single oddity?

[Ircher]

Porkens > Titus >> Herta >>> Everyone else.

[Ircher]

I have to agree that Herta's recent takes on Porkens are really bad. I could buy a TMI argument there.

[Ircher]

11 hours left. We should make a decision. I'm willing to compromise on Titus and to a lesser extent Herta. Anyone not voting one of the top 3 wagons ought to move their votes at this point.

[Ircher]

Yeah so I'm not going to be around in 9 hours, so if nothing changes in the next (expired on 2022-10-11 21:37:04), I'm moving my vote.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Titus

[Ircher]

It's Herta and Porkens.

[Ircher]

When Porkens really towned it up

Porkens 100% didn't do that. Porkens was a little more involved at deadline sure but I imagine any scum in the running for the lim would be.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Herta

[Ircher]

VOTE: Porkens

[Ircher]

It's Herta and Porkens.

When Porkens really towned it up

Porkens 100% didn't do that. Porkens was a little more involved at deadline sure but I imagine any scum in the running for the lim would be.

Or Porkens?

I think Ircher’s certainly on Herta isn’t good.

I stated it matter-of-factly, yes, but showing confidence is important in getting others to follow. Anyway, I was pretty sure that Porkens was scum and thus, Herta's day 1 posts read like a scumbuddy trying to save Porkens.

Because it doesh't make sense to douse Herta. Herta was counterwagon, and could had easily pushed as next elim (which happened).

I can literally guarantee that they didn't douse Herta. If they somehow did. Well. Lucky to us? Don't assume we are lucky though.

This is pretty thin reasoning. Day ended pretty quick thanks to a certain someone.

Firefigher should claim and lead town as conftown. His "protections" are unneeded now.

It's likely that FF was doused anyway. I am not sure how gasolines view me, but they probably didn't douse me either (i would't honestly).

And i am not FF

. Therefore, it raises chances that FF is already doomed and should claim for atleast some benefit.

Any late, and arsos probably counterclaim/win already.

This is such a pessimistic viewpoint. I don't think Firefighter should claim.

[Ircher]

Town: {Ircher}
Lean Town: {SCRRDBEAR, Draper}
Neutral Town: {furtiveglance}
Neutral Scum: {Enchant, Vanderscamp}
Lean Scum: {Porkens}

[Ircher]

Herta flipped town...

[Ircher]

Town: {Ircher}
Lean Town: {SCRRDBEAR, Draper}
Neutral Town: {furtiveglance}
Neutral Scum: {Enchant, Vanderscamp}
Lean Scum: {Porkens}

Can you explain those reads? Why is Scrrrbear your most confident town and why do you sr Enchant and Vanders?

@Ircher, can you please answer this?

I don't really feel like explaining practically all my reads. I will oblige you if you narrow it down to a single read you're most interested in hearing about.

[Ircher]

Town: {Ircher}
Lean Town: {SCRRDBEAR, Draper}
Neutral Town: {furtiveglance}
Neutral Scum: {Enchant, Vanderscamp}
Lean Scum: {Porkens}

Can you explain those reads? Why is Scrrrbear your most confident town and why do you sr Enchant and Vanders?

@Ircher, can you please answer this?

I don't really feel like explaining practically all my reads. I will oblige you if you narrow it down to a single read you're most interested in hearing about.

Scrrrbear, Enchant, Vanderscamp

That's three names, not one.

I town read SCRRRDBEAR for ~reasons~.

[Ircher]

I disagree that Porkens should claim. Someone should just hammer.

[Ircher]

I disagree that Porkens should claim. Someone should just hammer.

Unless you’re also CCing ff, why would you be opposed to this?

Because you posted this BEFORE furtive CC’d Porkens.

Town: {Ircher}
Lean Town: {SCRRDBEAR, Draper}
Neutral Town: {furtiveglance}
Neutral Scum: {Enchant, Vanderscamp}
Lean Scum: {Porkens}

Can you explain those reads? Why is Scrrrbear your most confident town and why do you sr Enchant and Vanders?

@Ircher, can you please answer this?

I don't really feel like explaining practically all my reads. I will oblige you if you narrow it down to a single read you're most interested in hearing about.

Scrrrbear, Enchant, Vanderscamp

That's three names, not one.

I town read SCRRRDBEAR for ~reasons~.

Why won’t you answer my questions? And you didn’t actually give a reason for your Scrrrbear tr and I shouldn’t have to pull teeth to get you to explain this. Why can’t you explain your srs on Enchant and Vanderscamp?

Porkens claim

Townie response

I disagree that Porkens should claim. Someone should just hammer.

Not townie response

You always wait for a claim.

[Ircher]

I disagree that Porkens should claim. Someone should just hammer.

Unless you’re also CCing ff, why would you be opposed to this?

Because you posted this BEFORE furtive CC’d Porkens.

Because Porkens is obviously scum.

Town: {Ircher}
Lean Town: {SCRRDBEAR, Draper}
Neutral Town: {furtiveglance}
Neutral Scum: {Enchant, Vanderscamp}
Lean Scum: {Porkens}

Can you explain those reads? Why is Scrrrbear your most confident town and why do you sr Enchant and Vanders?

@Ircher, can you please answer this?

I don't really feel like explaining practically all my reads. I will oblige you if you narrow it down to a single read you're most interested in hearing about.

Scrrrbear, Enchant, Vanderscamp

That's three names, not one.

I town read SCRRRDBEAR for ~reasons~.

1) Why won’t you answer my questions? 2) And you didn’t actually give a reason for your Scrrrbear tr and I shouldn’t have to pull teeth to get you to explain this. 3) Why can’t you explain your srs on Enchant and Vanderscamp?

1) Because my time is limited.
2) I implied one, but I can go ahead and say it with Porkens and furtive claiming. I thought SCRRRDBEAR was the firefighter.
3) Because my time is limited, and I don't feel like it.

Porkens claim

Townie response

I disagree that Porkens should claim. Someone should just hammer.

Not townie response

You always wait for a claim.

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Not necessarily. Scum sometimes fake claim to draw a counterclaim. I felt the odds are much higher that Porkens is scum as opposed to Porkens deliberately sandbagging to avoid getting primed especially since you have more time to get things done in this setup even if you do get primed.

[Ircher]

Spoiler:

I disagree that Porkens should claim. Someone should just hammer.

Unless you’re also CCing ff, why would you be opposed to this?

Because you posted this BEFORE furtive CC’d Porkens.

Town: {Ircher}
Lean Town: {SCRRDBEAR, Draper}
Neutral Town: {furtiveglance}
Neutral Scum: {Enchant, Vanderscamp}
Lean Scum: {Porkens}

Can you explain those reads? Why is Scrrrbear your most confident town and why do you sr Enchant and Vanders?

@Ircher, can you please answer this?

I don't really feel like explaining practically all my reads. I will oblige you if you narrow it down to a single read you're most interested in hearing about.

Scrrrbear, Enchant, Vanderscamp

That's three names, not one.

I town read SCRRRDBEAR for ~reasons~.

Why won’t you answer my questions? And you didn’t actually give a reason for your Scrrrbear tr and I shouldn’t have to pull teeth to get you to explain this. Why can’t you explain your srs on Enchant and Vanderscamp?

Porkens claim

Townie response

I disagree that Porkens should claim. Someone should just hammer.

Not townie response

You always wait for a claim.

I already know what I posted. I asked you for answers to my questions and you respond by quoting me without any cobtext or explanation.

I pressed submit early.

[Ircher]

And why am I obviously scum?

You've done practically nothing this game. That's not lying low. That's scum using a claim as an alibi for inaction.

[Ircher]

1) @Ircher, in what game ever have you been to damned busy to explain your reads?

2) Also your reads contradict the claims. Obviously Porkens and furtive can’t both be scum here but you claim to sr both of them.

1) Plenty of games; it ebbs and flows.
2) I don't have precognition of claims. Like I said, I thought SCRRRDBEAR was the firefighter, so my reads were based on that.

[Ircher]

I already explained my inaction irchir.

Furtive is really over the top right now.

Yeah I shouldn’t have outed targets I’m just used to doing it brain fart sorry

And why am I obviously scum?

You've done practically nothing this game.

That's not lying low. That's scum using a claim as an alibi for inaction.

Also, how is furtive "over the top" right now?

[Ircher]

@Furtive what about me trying to make sense of this makes me a buddy? If you’re the real ff, then tell me who the fuck is Porkens’ buddy. There’s still two arsonists remember?

Idk who the buddy is, I was considering Ircher. But the fact that you keep repeating "oh one of these 2 is mafia then"...it's like you're dumbtelling. Hell yeah 1 of us is mafia, you should have an opinion.

I said one of you is lying and I don’t want to lim the real ff and you threatening me and intimidating me isn’t helping me one iota. I honestly don’t gaf if you don’t like it. I’m not fucking rushing this!

You keep ignoring my question. How did you go from [Me, Enchant] top town, [Ircher, Porkens] most scum to having literally no idea?

No, it’s you who is ignoring my answer. You both claimed ff and I don’t know who to believe. You can keep ignoring my answer but it’s the goddamnned truth whether you choose to believe it or not is up to you.

how can you not know who to believe, when you've had a consistent opinion all game. You must at least have some idea. You can't have zero thoughts. I'm going to bed now. I just read my own ISO and my reads were insanely good all game, it's so frustrating that I wanted Porkens D1 and D2 and you literally blocked it with a VANITY WAGON on Titus because they called you whiny or something. God DAYUM

Tbf, I'm the one who ultimately derailed the Porkens wagon Day 1 by moving my vote ~5 or so hours before deadline when the wagons were 2-2-2. I would have rather had gotten Porkens then, but I couldn't risk us no-axing.

[Ircher]

@furtive, what do you think about what Enchant is suggesting? Do you think Ff should out but obviously NOT claim targets?

I’m seriously reconsidering switching my vote to Porkens. But first, I want to hear more discussion about what Enchant is suggesting.

Are you in favour of ff outing or you think it’s best that they stay hidden? I haven’t yet made up my mind on that, so I want to hear opinions on that other than Enchant’s.

If Porkens is Firefighter, yeah say that. Otherwise I'm tunnelled as hell!

@Furtive, why did you make this post if you know you’re the real ff?

I would think the simple answer is to muddy the waters a bit.

[Ircher]

yeah it's probably SCRRRDDBEAR or Vanderscamp.

furtive and Don are locktown.

[Ircher]

IDK IF FURTIVE IS BUSSING?

Is this a counterclaim?

[Ircher]

VOTE: SCRRRDBEAR

[Ircher]

Give your case for Enchant then.

[Ircher]

Which mech plan?

[Ircher]

How are you distinguishing between town with a bad plan and scum trying to get the firefighter to out?

[Ircher]

Arsos never ignite, unless it will result in victory.
1. It gives them less people to hide.
2. It slows them. They need to waste 2 nights to kill 1 person.

FF or not, he is not important enough. At average, FF can stop like... uh. 0-1 prime on random (look at doctor effectiveness). If you prime and ignite FF, you losing 2.

So why i bother to reveal FF?

I don't think its true arsonists /never/ ignite, but I agree that more often than not, it's better strategy to prime another player.

[Ircher]

UNVOTE: for now.

SCRRDBEAR is giving the impression of being completely clueless. Porkens was employing the same strategy and flipped Arsonist, so if they are both arsonists, it maked me wonder what their endgame strategy was as I doubt they expected to coast to victory this way.

[Ircher]

VOTE: SCRRRDBEAR

[Ircher]

... Eh. I can bet Don Draper was protected from death.

Ircher? lol, no.
Me? lol!
Vander? Did furtive even townread you? I don't remember.

I agree with this assessment.

@Vander You went down in my reads because I thought SCRRRDBEAR was town FF, and I was town reading furtive more-so. That left Enchant, Porkens, and you, and I didn't find your D2 or early D3 contributions enough to pull you out of my PoE.

[Ircher]

Anyway, Draper is always town here, and I'm town here. It's probably Vanders tbh because if it were Enchant, arsonists would not have ignited.

[Ircher]

UNVOTE:

for now

Vanders tell me why you’re so sure it’s Ircher?

You have generally been pretty obvtown throughout the game, and I've talked a bit about Ircher above.

My main reasoning why it isn't enchant is that while I agree that the FF claiming stuff was anti-town, at least he was trying, which is more than Ircher has done.
I also agree with him that igniting last night was (sorry scum) absurdly poor play and I believe him when he talks about why he wouldn't have done it.

Actually good point, because if Ircher was town here, I would think arsonist would have targeted him.

The fact that no one other than furtive died probably means that furive made steller protects. I actually think ff trued to burn all of their douses but furive cleverly outsmarted them.

I don’t believe arso only tried to burn furtive.

I'm sorry, but there's zero chance I get targetted by arsonist. I've been scum read by furtive, Vanders, and Porkens all game. That's enough incentive to keep me alive for the mislimming.

[Ircher]

Anyway, Draper is always town here, and I'm town here.

It's probably Vanders tbh because if it were Enchant, arsonists would not have ignited

.

Explain this.

I believe Enchant when Enchant says it would be a bad move. Since I also believe scum Enchant wouldn't carelessly throw the game, I can conclude that Enchant is not arsonist.

Vanders I feel would say they think it is a bad move and then do it anyway for the WIFOM.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Vanderscamp

[Ircher]

I would have considered it.

[Ircher]

I'm not going to spend time defending myself. I encourage everyone to make their decision and vote accordingly.

[Ircher]

Gg everyone!