Micro 1063: Even-Odd Killers | Game Over

[ceejayvinoya]

Pre-Game, the Serial Killer chooses between Investigation Immunity (Shows up as Town to investigation) or

One-Shot

Bulletproof

ohhhh that makes more sense

[ceejayvinoya]

The lim today should be a no lim.
The lim tomorrow is Enchant but we have time to discuss between the remaining people.
The lim the next day (ELO) would be what we discussed on. (One of me/you/ceejay, depending on who is alive/result of the nk/check etc.)

I personally trend toward Ceejay as Galron's partner but I'll reread day 1 about it.

One thing to consider is that tomorrow we'll need to assume both the SK!Enchant world and the Mafia!Enchant world.

I mean I think me switching my vote from Gypyx to Galron day 1 significantly helped in getting Galron elimmed but okay

[MegAzumarill]

The lim today should be a no lim.
The lim tomorrow is Enchant but we have time to discuss between the remaining people.
The lim the next day (ELO) would be what we discussed on. (One of me/you/ceejay, depending on who is alive/result of the nk/check etc.)

I personally trend toward Ceejay as Galron's partner but I'll reread day 1 about it.

One thing to consider is that tomorrow we'll need to assume both the SK!Enchant world and the Mafia!Enchant world.

I mean I think me switching my vote from Gypyx to Galron day 1 significantly helped in getting Galron elimmed but okay

I'm close between the two of you but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

The lim today should be a no lim.
The lim tomorrow is Enchant but we have time to discuss between the remaining people.
The lim the next day (ELO) would be what we discussed on. (One of me/you/ceejay, depending on who is alive/result of the nk/check etc.)

I personally trend toward Ceejay as Galron's partner but I'll reread day 1 about it.

One thing to consider is that tomorrow we'll need to assume both the SK!Enchant world and the Mafia!Enchant world.

I mean I think me switching my vote from Gypyx to Galron day 1 significantly helped in getting Galron elimmed but okay

Everyone still alive except Gypyx was on that wagon including confitown!Tetra.

So everyone helped lim him.

[ceejayvinoya]

The lim today should be a no lim.
The lim tomorrow is Enchant but we have time to discuss between the remaining people.
The lim the next day (ELO) would be what we discussed on. (One of me/you/ceejay, depending on who is alive/result of the nk/check etc.)

I personally trend toward Ceejay as Galron's partner but I'll reread day 1 about it.

One thing to consider is that tomorrow we'll need to assume both the SK!Enchant world and the Mafia!Enchant world.

I mean I think me switching my vote from Gypyx to Galron day 1 significantly helped in getting Galron elimmed but okay

Everyone still alive except Gypyx was on that wagon including confitown!Tetra.

So everyone helped lim him.

Whooooosh

[Marashu]

Official Vote Count 3.02

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Elimination

MegAzumarill

(1): Testarossa

Enchant

(1): 39 Rats in a Trench Coat

Gypyx

(1): Enchant

Not Voting

(3): Gypyx, MegAzumarill, ceejayvinoya

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-11-06 18:04:04).

Mod notes:

With 6 alive, 4 votes are required for elimination.

[MegAzumarill]

:/

We wait

[Testarossa]

I am really not sure what to think of that. From a mechanical point of view it kind of makes sense to spare Enchant for one day, we are not in a losing position. In worst case Gypyx dies, what would happen either way if we lim Enchant today. Even independent if Enchant is actually SK or just trolling Goon. If Enchant plays along we get another Co result, which is pretty huge.

I think my hesitance comes from it feeling like foul sportmanship towards the other scum. Although this may just come because I have been in the same shoes once and I just raged passionately from D1 till elo about a townsiding SK in the Mafia chat.

Eh, I guess it's one of these issues where just majority decides.

[Testarossa]

If Enchant is actually Goon, this would make Meg most likely town btw.

I think it might be worth to check who were playing around Enchant as scum must have assumed he might be Cop to actually target him. He didn't really expressed any reads besides voting Gypyx D2 and Galron D1 and maybe hinting at scumreading Meg on D1 (106).

[Testarossa]

Whilst that is a convenient claim to make, I haven't exactly covered myself in glory to prove that I am, a VT. But I'm telling you the truth.

It's too close to deadline to switch to another wagon, but if I had to switch, the only real option that could flip scum, would be gypsy. I don't think she's exactly covered herself in glory.

I think the strong two town in my mind of Rats and Testarossa, that leaves the last scum and SK within enchant, Gyspy, meg and outside chance of ceejay.

My voting order personally would go in this order, gypsy. enchant, ceejay and Meg. I don't think I can see it being within the two town in my mind.

VOTE: Gypsy

I think we should probably follow dead town’s lead. Idk about Enchant because I think hiis stance on Kop looked pretty damned townie to me but Gypyx is still my strongest sr too.

VOTE: Gypyx

I am not sure rats would enter this day following dead townie's leads and single out Enchant with more leaning town on him with the knowledge of Enchant being SK. They only turned against Enchant because he started coming up with the suggestion for the Cop claim.

[Enchant]

I think my hesitance comes from it feeling like foul sportmanship towards the other scum. Although this may just come because I have been in the same shoes once and I just raged passionately from D1 till elo about a townsiding SK in the Mafia chat.

I actually respect that.

Idk about townsiding SK from first day, i guess if they were discovered, they really didn't had other choice, but be leashed. I negatively think about SK who claims for no reason and helps town, unless there's some insane 999IQ strat.


In my case, i could just go and die, possible letting mafia win. Except that I don't want to. I had plan to win in every scenario, but i never imagined mafia will be out of their way to attack me. ATTACK ME. Did i look like cop so much? I don't think so.

This screwed me over in that way, that i couldn't win regardless what i do. There's pit in every way i choose. When i say i thinked about every scenario, i didn't lie. So i drag them in hell with me.


Depending on morale, you disagree or agree. Regardless, that's what i do. If you want to give mafia fighting chance, i will understand that... But fairly, i would just take cheap win on your place. Yep.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

You could be either Mafia or SK. All we know for sure is you’re scum.

[Enchant]

You could be either Mafia or SK. All we know for sure is you’re scum.

And

[Enchant]

VOTE: No Elim

Last post i make, before night.
Either you vote No-Lim or don't. If you do, Gypix (or Testarossa) shall bold person they wish to see killed so i don't accidently kill person you plan to check.

see ya

[MegAzumarill]

FOS

No Elim

Not voting until Gypyx returns but I think this is best.

[Gypyx]

Yeah, hi, really didn't have enough time to think about this game recently

i agree about the no-lim plan fwiw

[MegAzumarill]

Who do you want dead? You've been handed a pseudo-vigi

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

I’m not convinced Enchant can’t be mafia here bssing, so I just hope this doesn’t lose us the game.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Actually I think I might have hit upon the real solve here. Enchant is Mafia and Meg is SK.

I've been sitting here trying to work out in my head and with Nancy how Meg can possibly think not having conftown alive for endgame is better than having conftown alive, and it actually does make sense from a scum perspective. Supporting this no-lim scheme is a solid way to look town, and since it ends up putting them in a slightly better position than otherwise, they might as well.

So yeah, we just vote Enchant, and if he flips Mafia, go for Meg. If he does flip SK, then well. We play Mafia, like we all signed up to do.

[MegAzumarill]

Actually I think I might have hit upon the real solve here. Enchant is Mafia and Meg is SK.

I've been sitting here trying to work out in my head and with Nancy how Meg can possibly think not having conftown alive for endgame is better than having conftown alive, and it actually does make sense from a scum perspective. Supporting this no-lim scheme is a solid way to look town, and since it ends up putting them in a slightly better position than otherwise, they might as well.

So yeah, we just vote Enchant, and if he flips Mafia, go for Meg. If he does flip SK, then well. We play Mafia, like we all signed up to do.

I think the odds of me being limmed are more if Testa is alive. That gives me incentive as either alignment to try ELO without them alive.

You are making a mountain out off a molehill thinking that we lose to mafia!Enchant here and a no vote. We simply don't.

[MegAzumarill]

You are also the only person against the plan, and the only person negatively impacted by it is exactly testarossa or mafia that isn't enchant.

:Hmmm:

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

I don't think we lose. I actually think we're pretty set to win this regardless.

I DO think that Enchant's scheme is the most boring and unfun way possible to achieve that victory. I'd settle for it if it were actually a guaranteed win, but it is not. There's a chance we get screwed over by it, even if the magnitude of screwing is relatively small.

I want to play Mafia. I don't want to play wait 48+ hours in between naked votes. Eliminating the scum we caught now is the best play Town has without gambling on whether Enchant is being honest in his proposal to turn this game into a meaningless series of waiting for deadlines.

[MegAzumarill]

I guess I beg to differ and we leave it at that.

I don't think of it as a gamble.

I think of it as close to an objectively better situation and I'd have cold feet taking a different play that I feel makes my faction more likely to lose.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

You are also the only person against the plan, and the only person negatively impacted by it is exactly testarossa or mafia that isn't enchant.

:Hmmm:

Tetra is confitown here? Wut

[MegAzumarill]

Tetra is the person that dies before elo in worse case scenario