House of the Dragon - Game Over!

ISO · Post Post #4800 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:12 pm

In post 4644, ProfessorDrapion wrote:Also Mastina you claim in PT you suddenly became 100% confident Firebringer is town? Why is that?
What is your solve in a Furtive!Town flip and Me!Town flip?

My solve is the same because the reason is the same.

Scum absolutely wouldn't give up on a nightkill last night--they had no reason to give up on a nightkill and literally

every

reason to make one.
They could've shot at me; they could've shot at Datisi; they could've shot at Titus; they could've shot at

literally any town player

, and the town would likely not bat an eye.

Yet they didn't.

The scum could've killed literally anyone last night, knowing where the protections were headed.

And yet they didn't kill anyone last night.

Which gives the town an extra mislim they otherwise wouldn't have gotten.
And brings the game back onto odds.
All because of no kill.

If the scum had scum on the council, they would know who was being protected, because the protection was a group plan in the council. We all collectively came up with it.

And yet the nightkill--or rather the lack thereof--seems to indicate it wasn't made with the knowledge of who was being protected.
Which is only possible...if we have an all-town council.

And it's not like we have no evidence of the scum making kills.

The scum are confirmed three for three in killing the tracker. And also killed the Kingsguard Captain.
Every kill has been aimed at the council.

And the protected player was a member of the council.

Sooooo.

Logic follows.

GuiltyLion · Post Post #4801 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:14 pm

Wait who was pushing or going to push to miselim Datisi

There was like barely any discussion of this before today

ISO · Post Post #4802 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:14 pm

In post 4668, furtiveglance wrote:Is it just me that can't comprehend a green check on LLD? If Datisi does flip scum, LLD should be next

LLD, the player who is pushing for a Datisi elimination???

No, LLD is not scum with Datisi. LLD is literally pushing for the thing that would undo her conftown status if she were scum with Datisi.

Firebringer · Post Post #4803 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:15 pm

In post 4801, GuiltyLion wrote:Wait who was pushing or going to push to miselim Datisi

There was like barely any discussion of this before today

Ummm did you read LLD posts yesterday and a few people agreeing with it. I think Titus was saying this well before too.

GuiltyLion · Post Post #4804 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:15 pm

I think the number of elims argument is not really that compelling when Duels are a thing

GuiltyLion · Post Post #4805 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:16 pm

Like furtive and Enchant may have already burned this super valuable scum-would-never-willingly-give extra miselim we earned lmao

Firebringer · Post Post #4806 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:18 pm

i don't think scum go for intentional gambits for no killing. Thats something i would do. Not how most scum players play.
Anyone speculating on that is literally paranoing over nothing.

Unless u think im scum. Cause i def would do a no kill gambit as scum for lolz.

ISO · Post Post #4807 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:18 pm

In post 4702, furtiveglance wrote:Information is information.

Yes, which is why the council is all town--the council had the information of where the protections were headed.
There was no kill last night.

So either the scum deliberately didn't make a kill in spite of that directly giving the town more info (giving them an extra mislim and giving Datisi another check)...

...Or the scum didn't have the info of where the protections were headed.

One of those seems far simpler to me!

Firebringer · Post Post #4808 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:19 pm

In post 4807, mastina wrote:
In post 4702, furtiveglance wrote:Information is information.
Yes, which is why the council is all town--the council had the information of where the protections were headed.
There was no kill last night.

So either the scum deliberately didn't make a kill in spite of that directly giving the town more info (giving them an extra mislim and giving Datisi another check)...

...Or the scum didn't have the info of where the protections were headed.

One of those seems far simpler to me!

GL theory is its u/me/dats

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #4809 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:20 pm

In post 4807, mastina wrote:
In post 4702, furtiveglance wrote:Information is information.
Yes, which is why the council is all town--the council had the information of where the protections were headed.
There was no kill last night.

So either the scum deliberately didn't make a kill in spite of that directly giving the town more info (giving them an extra mislim and giving Datisi another check)...

...Or the scum didn't have the info of where the protections were headed.

One of those seems far simpler to me!

Oh please we both know there are at least 5 players in this game who would purposefully shoot into a JK to try and do this clear. Double if you're already gambiting on the cop stuff.

But if you want to prove me wrong, all you have to do is help me kill Datisi, Mastina.

Firebringer · Post Post #4810 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:21 pm

Who are the 4 other crazy mofos

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #4811 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:21 pm

Come on, Datisi town means you titus and I are guaranteed town and they can't kill all of us.

And we get another cop check from a confirmed town Titus. Who we can protect, I believe. Right?

So I mean, it seems flawless to me.

fireisredsir · Post Post #4812 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:22 pm

In post 4799, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:More space to operate with the same amount of information.

Like, what happens when we wait for tomorrow? How is that better? As it stands once we kill Datisi we have MORE information that the person we hand cop to will be town than ever before, we have MORE space to act on that information and decide if furtive or tohers are good elimiantions.

Killing Datisi first costs us 0 cop checks, it HAS to happen anyway, and gives us more info faster.

What's the DOWNSIDE here?

wouldn't it cost us potential cop checks since we will run out of places for the cop role to go and scum can thin out the council faster? if im wrong on that and there's zero risk then i guess but it seems to me like that's a possibility

ISO · Post Post #4813 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:22 pm

In post 4722, GuiltyLion wrote:@mastina, my dislike of the gamestate is really much less that I am in the POE and more that I don't think any of furtive/Drap/UNOwen are slam dunk scum and that is making me nervous.

We don't need slam dunk when we literally have the game won by PoE.

With seven conftown and more to come every night Datisi lives, we've got a basically auto-win game...

...If we don't eliminate within said conftown.

So the push onto the conftown from those inside the PoE is inherently innately suspect.

It doesn't need to be for strong reasons.

Every scum at this point will have reasons that they will look like town.

But there's still three scum.

And only six slots they could be.

It's that simple.

fireisredsir · Post Post #4814 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:22 pm

are we able to guarantee that we can protect the cop if necessary forever? i don't think we can guarantee that

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #4815 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:23 pm

In post 4810, Firebringer wrote:Who are the 4 other crazy mofos

The 5 are:

Shea
Me
Mastina
Titus
You

and before you say you would never do that, come on now.

Firebringer · Post Post #4816 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:23 pm

In post 4814, fireisredsir wrote:are we able to guarantee that we can protect the cop if necessary forever? i don't think we can guarantee that

as long as my income doesn't go down. we could

Firebringer · Post Post #4817 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:24 pm

In post 4815, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 4810, Firebringer wrote:Who are the 4 other crazy mofos
The 5 are:

Shea
Me
Mastina
Titus
You

and before you say you would never do that, come on now.

i was saying me before this post that u missed.
i dont think mastina or titus would.
maybe u or shea

ISO · Post Post #4818 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:24 pm

In post 4725, GuiltyLion wrote:Mastina, in your own words, why is furtive scum

The slot has been scum the entire game?

Bella was scum by contribution.

furtiveglance was scum by contribution--every vote furtive has made has been scummy as fuck.

furtiveglance works as a scumbuddy for both Dannflor and Dwlee.

furtiveglance looks like he's in his scum meta.

So.

Literally everything says furtive scum?

fireisredsir · Post Post #4819 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:24 pm

In post 4816, Firebringer wrote:
In post 4814, fireisredsir wrote:are we able to guarantee that we can protect the cop if necessary forever? i don't think we can guarantee that
as long as my income doesn't go down. we could

funding yes but like if we lim dats and cops shoot the doctor then we're running really tight on slots

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #4820 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:24 pm

In post 4814, fireisredsir wrote:are we able to guarantee that we can protect the cop if necessary forever? i don't think we can guarantee that

Forever is not required. Who wants to live forever anyway?

I would wager... 1 night, maybe 2 would do the trick. If Datisi is town and Titus becomes cop, we can protect Titus.

Also, if Titus dies, doesn't one of the current kingsguard become the lord commander of the knightswatch... and join the council?

fireisredsir · Post Post #4821 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:25 pm

scum shoot the doctor i mean, obviously

cops can't shoot people they would never do that

Firebringer · Post Post #4822 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:25 pm

In post 4819, fireisredsir wrote:
In post 4816, Firebringer wrote:
In post 4814, fireisredsir wrote:are we able to guarantee that we can protect the cop if necessary forever? i don't think we can guarantee that
as long as my income doesn't go down. we could
funding yes but like if we lim dats and cops shoot the doctor then we're running really tight on slots

dont we just need to confirm if jailkeep can guard the doc. seems like that might be broken thing that could work. We talked about getting confirm about this last night

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #4823 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:26 pm

In post 4821, fireisredsir wrote:scum shoot the doctor i mean, obviously

cops can't shoot people they would never do that

I want to again, remind that if Titus becomes cop and dies, doesn't another slot on the council open? Like I could become a council member via that method

Firebringer · Post Post #4824 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:27 pm

i dont know if we ever confirmed if no one is available to take a slot then a new person can join.
my impression was that scum were literally killing the council to eventually eliminate the roles entirely. but that was just theory.
i thought only way new people join is prince/kingsguard or if a new king selects a new council entirely