Warrior Cats Mafia [Game Over!]

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Yep!

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Cephrir encouraged me to shoot there instead and I got sick and couldn't review the game. + Finals + backedup at work.

Excuses.

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But them's the reasons.

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Said he didn't like how the interactions with TItus went down.

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Furtive and I are town.
After that, I have no clue.

1/3 chance of hitting scum today. 33.333%

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Freedom, Luke, Dann, Flow, cephirir, S_S.

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Nope.

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Same reason I didn't reread the game myself. Too much crap to deal with.

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Bell is probably town then for game balance reasons

Anyone have a different position?

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Well, now all the investigates are dead and you've just revealed your hunting methods, neutralizing them before you even started.
I know I sound critical, but if you look at my play this game I assure you I am deeply humiliated.

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Is now a good time to mass claim?

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Sure.

Danflorr
Flow trap.
Freedom
S_S
Cephrir
Luke.

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Furtive can claim last if they want.

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I saw your claim.
If you mean your reads. I acknowledged them and then used my own reads for an order.

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Yes. What’s there to be curious about?

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Okay, but I’m not scum so…why do you want me to explain it?

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I suspect everybody but Furtive atm. So I’m just trying to get your perspective and your positioning.

The “didn’t like what I saw” was a reference to your predecessor asking if we liked what we saw because they weren’t posting anything beyond criticizing bear for fake claiming.
I was very neutral on your predecessor.
And didn’t quite reach a conclusion.

I’m at work right now.

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In regards to cephrir. I should’ve vigged him.

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The ordering was also done with the intent to glean further information.
Cephrir and you are unlikely to flub a fake claim and I suspect danflorr heavily. So they should go first and after that I’m just looking for mistakes.

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It’s awkward when you ask me to lay out my reasoning before I can observe for any mistakes because now the electrons know I’m watching.

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Sure.

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Yep. Please claim.

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I’m very confused as to how many factions there are and whether the dark forest cats are *the* scum team or *a* scum faction.

why is this still alive?

It's hard for me to determine whether I should be giving Junko town points for failing to realize that they're putting their hand into a mouse trap.

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Probably not.

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I'm sitting at Junko/Danflorr for last two scum now though.

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I'm a vig. I already shot someone.
and fire soft cleared me in my opinion.

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You didn't expect me to answer why I'm not dead yet
I believe you, I do.

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I shot PenguinPower who was town.

You're welcome!

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how do you get cleared by a vig shot?

It's bullshit, I know.
But sometimes just pretending you're obvious town because you are is all you need.

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Cephrir is sus right, that's not just me

No, it's not just you.

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....I do.
Almost every time I talk to a new replacement.

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how do you get cleared by a vig shot?

It's bullshit, I know.
But sometimes just pretending you're obvious town because you are is all you need.

well I was once tr as scum because my action was too scum to be scum

But I'm not scum and nobody alive is currently scum reading me.
You don't want to know what happened to the people that were scum reading me.

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Actually no,
the only player that has died at night that was actively scum reading me while I was alive was arkangel, but they don't count because they claimed leader to the whole world and that was a very silly thing to do imo.
Then again my reads have been out right discrediting.
But so far, you're either way off or you're scum!

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i want to suggest that scum would have fakeclaims & fake PMs but ive seen them not have any a frightening percentage of the time recently

TMI?

No.

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I don't, I'm just messing with you because it's fun.

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i haven't caught any scum or done anything at any point

Neither, and no one's mad at me for some reason

I'm mad at you.

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Guys,
quick question do I have to actually respond to Junko casing me or can I just let them continue to waste their time casing me.

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.........
Let's break down the sentences.

1. I'm fine shutting down Mastina's ego if they're town and wrong. Nobody should be 97.5% confident in a read day one. AND ABSOLUTELY NOBODY SHOULD BE 100% CONFIDENT IN A READ DAY 1 Unless they have mod information. Which I won't entertain given who I'm speaking to.
2. If they're right my win condition is advanced and I'll be happy with that.

Am I leaving out that you're the best player at the table at reading Norwe? Yes. Yes I'm going to ignore that claim because there are a lot of issues I have with it. Such as:
1. You could be wrong.

have you ever played with mastina?

I'm a bit bewildered you wasted calories writing this.

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VOTE: Danflorr

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I’m one of the easiest sorts in the world.
And you either didn’t manage it or you’re scum fire.

I hate your guts

not related to alignment or game, i just do

*stares at the ceiling*
How I play Mafia and what I say in mafia is not truly reflective of what I actually think or feel. It's my playstyle.
From my perspective I'm trying to see how Fire handles my disappointment with them. I'm trying to stay town read because it benefits me as either alignment to be town read and as town I prefer to be town read too.
if they were town I obviously don't expect them to know what my alignment is. There's a lot of tinkering I'm trying to do with them to figure out what they're thinking.

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It does bother me that you decided to ignore an anti-associative and just say you hate my guts though.

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You think? You thought your thought less than 30 minutes ago.

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Ah, my time zone thing isn't set to PST. To me it's 2:30 PM, but it says 3:28PM.
I genuinely don't know why you think I'm being rude. You said you hated my guts and that it wasn't alignment related.
Then you said you think you stopped scum reading me around then, indicating that it was alignment related.

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I genuinely don't mind if you continue to speak nor am I trying to discourage you from doing so.

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It's a possibility.
I don't really think how S_S reacted to SCRRDbear was terribly different from how I reacted to it.

I'm having trouble reading Danflorr due to all the absences. I lean scum currently because I think they'd have more trouble writing thoughts if they were scum under their current time constraints (I don't know what they're having a hard time with currently).

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1114 is another anti-spew. They’re trying to explain themselves to me, but they don’t have a strategy to deal with me as a partner because I’m not their partner.

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Those wall posts are weird.
But I’ve never seen a non-weird wall post.

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I guess I’d like the next person on my list to claim
Now.

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Is now a good time to mass claim?

Sure.

Danflorr
Flow trap.
Freedom
S_S
Cephrir
Luke.

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Great, what are your actions?

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Did Dann claim? Or are we just saying he doesn't have to?

They can claim after they're replaced. Go.

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It's a vanilla cop.

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No, it's definitely a vanilla cop.

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Cephrir: Nothing would please me more than to depart this mortal plane.
Also Cephrir: Don't kill me. oh my god you suck.

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Yeah, I still think that Junko is scum, and my top choice for elimination.

@Bell, your solve was Dann+Junko, lets do Junko first, and then we can debate if they were actually partnered later

I will literally be dead.

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Well, I'm just kidding anyway.
I'm actually a scum vig.
So I won't be dying any time soon.

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Oh, well if Junko is okay with dying who am I to get in the way of that.

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No dramatics please.

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Hey Luke is there some reason you want to save Danflorr other than that you would expect that no matter what was going on with them they would absolutely post something if they were scum?

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Would strongly suggest no longer giving anyone powers at this point.
Based on the claims no benefit could come of it and you're more likely to give a buff to scum than town.

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Only Junko has claimed a role remaining that can effect the course of the game in a positive manner if they're town.

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Hey Luke is there some reason you want to save Danflorr other than that you would expect that no matter what was going on with them they would absolutely post something if they were scum?

I dont think that Dann and catboi were partnered after reading their wall off at each other day 1, and of the two, I think that Junko is more likely the scum between the two

...K.

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Based on the scum flips we have so far it's likely that their abilities benefit their team more constructively than the current claims.

As for responding in full, I'm just considering it. It feels slightly odd that you're including that because you don't think A and B are partners and you feel that B is more likely to be scum that we should kill B.
But I don't really understand why you're presenting that they don't appear to be aligned at all currently It feels unnecessary.

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No, the first part is.
Second part is to Luke.

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That said, I'm actually okay with killing Junko First. Because I am insane.

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I'm having trouble with Junko's posts and whether they make emotional sense or not.

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I'm having trouble with Junko's posts and whether they make emotional sense or not.

I don't think that they do.

Go on

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VOTE: Junkochan

I'm just not going to say what I think for once.

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Literally zero hard feelings Junko,

I genuinely liked to be liked, so sorry that I wasn't likable to you this game. You seem like an alright person. Thanks for replacing in.

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Yeah, I'll ask later what happened but that mass replace out was pretty confusing.

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GG all.

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Mastina, don't post game argue on decisions to eliminate you it's out of game influence imo.
I shouldn't ah killed ya because you were town, not because when town mastina gets eliminated town loses. That's voodoo.

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Mastina, don't post game argue on decisions to eliminate you it's out of game influence imo.
I shouldn't ah killed ya because you were town, not because when town mastina gets eliminated town loses. That's voodoo.

I mean they're both true.

Towns mislimming mastina have a 0% winrate in the last four years. (In part due to how this is the first mislim in over 3 years and first D3 mislim in 3 and a half years because as it turns out, the difference between town mastina and scumastina is in fact night/day and this was the day.)

Towns shouldn't be mislimming me especially not when alleging they can read me because my town/scumplay is night/day different and anyone town claiming they could read me who voted me this game was a fucking liar because no fucking shit, I was town and thus their claims are proven false by them having voted me when I was town (because if they

actually

could read me, they wouldn't have voted me when I was town).

But honestly.

I've no interest in arguing. Or actually engaging.

I just wanna stop existing as mastina.
Not worth it.
Too much vitriol, too much destruction, too much criticism, too much effort spent defending myself. So I'm just...done.

I feel like I have the right to be bitter, but I also am well aware that there's plenty of room for, sayyyyyyyyyyyyy, Norwee in particular to go "mastina you have no right to (dunno what they would say I have no right to

exactly

, but whatever it is, they'd be right)", and they'd be right to say that because while I feel like I have the right to be bitter, they also have the right to criticize me in whatever way they would criticize me, and like. That's where I'm at; I don't really wanna continue because there's just nothing good to come from it.

All right. Take care Mastina.