Mini Normal 2285: GM [game over]

[skitter30]

idk what that would be
the simplest explanation is that they don't feel particularly threatened by your reads, otherwise you'd presumably be a v dead kitty cat

[MathBlade]

and all scum are ninjas
i think that points to kitty being town
(it doesn't fit with anything else and this is a really random claim for scum to come up with)

and i think math is town because:
* no other explanation for n1
* i don't think pooky looks aligned with math given their argment when math repped in

so let's start there

pedit mafia not shooting n1 is wild
like i've never even seen such a thing wild

I think it points towards Kitty scum mechanically. (It’s at odds with my playread)

Kitty’s role is to find the TPRs.

[Toto]

well yea I wanted to murder Scol

[MathBlade]

Mine can’t be found because Ninja but if Fire is town Kitty is likely scum.

If Fire is scum then Kitty is town.

[skitter30]

well yea I wanted to murder Scol

and me and enchant apparently
so yeah that makes sense

[skitter30]

and all scum are ninjas
i think that points to kitty being town
(it doesn't fit with anything else and this is a really random claim for scum to come up with)

and i think math is town because:
* no other explanation for n1
* i don't think pooky looks aligned with math given their argment when math repped in

so let's start there

pedit mafia not shooting n1 is wild
like i've never even seen such a thing wild

I think it points towards Kitty scum mechanically. (It’s at odds with my playread)

Kitty’s role is to find the TPRs.

1. aren't you ninja? that sort of contradicts the notion of 'his role is to find the tprs' from your pov, no?
2. why would he, like, claim watcher here as scum
3. reads > mechanics and i think he's town on play

i won't vote him today

[skitter30]

i don't think tere's a dichotomy between kitty and fire at all

[skitter30]

so out of all the prs, i want to put math, kitty in the town-for-now bucket

leaving ydra and fire as potential scum in the prs

ydra: i've no idea why she decides to inno me as scum here
fire: his play overall is a little too 'wacky' to come from scum imo? he was p hard on pooky, he would have had to not nk2 as well, and he's not really pursuing his soft guilty on me (well until the last couple of pages but fair enuf)

my gut is that the scum is in these 2 but idk which and i think this where i need to do some more work

[skitter30]

are we trying to untangle the pr mess today or vote in the vts?

[Ydrasse]

unless anyone strongly objects i vote vts
it'd feel bad to vote out a pr and be wrong also i feel like someone's... probably lying? vague accusation but lol

[Toto]

Yeah not sure. Tell me about your Vt reads.

[Toto]

Ive been looking at previous datisi set ups and they like to inform both sides.

[innocentvillager]

and all scum are ninjas
i think that points to kitty being town
(it doesn't fit with anything else and this is a really random claim for scum to come up with)

and i think math is town because:
* no other explanation for n1
* i don't think pooky looks aligned with math given their argment when math repped in

so let's start there

pedit mafia not shooting n1 is wild
like i've never even seen such a thing wild

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[innocentvillager]

the difference between this game and that was that i had a role that was from the start publicly known by everyone lol
like everyone knew mafia doctor, the claim and no kill was necessary to try and establish myself there was an actual reason
here what would be the move. "yeah lets do something weird because we can" is silly

and i also literally do this every game these days lol
it's fun to tease like "oooh im important you cant do anything about it" and then it's true and im like hehe >:3c

and this is what ydr said about that game where she was scum with spookybear

[skitter30]

Ok that is actually wild
If scum actually nokilled it would indeed incriminate ydra there
+ i would be less confident in math and you

But, like, there would have to be a reason to no kill, like what would they be getting out of it? Trying to conf math's slot is maybe the only thing i can think of

[innocentvillager]

I don’t think it’s likely at all

I think it’s unlikely but *possible* especially given we know scum spooky has done and come up with it before. How possible super up for debate.

[innocentvillager]

skitter both Fire and me feel like ur different from ur normal game - what do u think about that

[skitter30]

I think it's technically possible
But unless there's a v strong motive not very likely

the only thing i can think of is trying to make math conf'd
And i don't even think he was in the game that night iirc

So maybe like just trying to make the unwnd slot confed
And i can see unwnd going along with it
But overall it's just, like, very ????? and not a super likely explanation for what happened that night

And actually i'm not sure it really incriminates ydra, i don't really see any motivation for her being part of this

Pedit i think that's fair, i've been somewhat lower motivation this game than i usually am

[Firebringer]

Still don’t get ur herta read
Where is pooky associations with herta that is scum
It seems like this is forced read

[Firebringer]

Mine can’t be found because Ninja but if Fire is town Kitty is likely scum.

If Fire is scum then Kitty is town.

Kitty always town regardless my alignment

[innocentvillager]

Still don’t get ur herta read
Where is pooky associations with herta that is scum
It seems like this is forced read

Pooky has defended Herta and Herta frequently voted for alternate Pooky wagon candidates. Not necessarily partnery but not antipartnery

[skitter30]

Spoiler:

Herta's very stilted as scum - here the flow feels natural

Why are you townreading all of:me, herta, freedom, and unwnd

you just feel pretty townie to me

like peta says you're just kind of an easy read

the way I read you is mostly looking at your posts - comparing to thread and seeing if you're keeping up and generally how much you want to be here. if you feel like you want to be here/engage I slot you as town. You have issues keeping up with the thread this starts looking worse. Granted this isn't the fastest moving game so its not like foolproof way to slot you rn it still feels to me like you are engaged in the game and actually enjoying playing. I know I am biased because your last two scum games you kind of flaked out and those were larges moving at p fast speed but I think this is closer to how you looked in the coalition run than either of those scum games.

herta is very stilted as mafia, he doesn't really flow into the thread, it's like the guy at the party who has a drink in his hand but isn't involved in any of the conversations.

freedom is town because when he's scum, his questions are agenda-y and you can sort of see where he's trying to push something - here he's just kind of asking random things and popping in to say things.

unwnd is town because his play is completely perpendicular to his scum play - it is unstructured and freeflowing in a way that I don't think he really enjoys doing in general and especially as scum because chaos is the enemy of making plans.

I don't see Herta's vote on Scoli as scummy because I would kind of expect Town!Herta to just sheep me atp in the game because I don't see anything more compelling to do for him - you're saying its oppurtunistic/scum motivated but I don't see why Herta!Town would be compelled by my reasoning and decide to sheep me.

are my points against scoli unreasonable for him to believe in?

i remain wholly unconvinced by your herta push but I am willing to switch just for you if you ask nicely because I am trying to be a nicer person. how much confidence do you actually have that he flips mafia here

UNVOTE:

herta can you share some more of your thoughts with us please

Herta wall feels v town to me.

He could be just replicating what he did last time we were t/t but I have doubts he remembers.

skitter30, Herta

p wild that these two have been tunneled on each other as scum but think its cool to work together

this is where my reads are after full reread:

town:
ydra, iv, herta, freedom, unwnd, skitter, toto

neutral:
val, gera, kt

scum:
scol, dann


i'm willing to kill scol or dann today what do you think

VOTE: dannflor

pooky came into the game hard townreading herta, and basically never reconsidered that read
it's flimsy and looks baseless imo, it looks like he wants to be townreading herta and if herta is town idk why this is the one flip-bait-y slot he never seemed interested in voting

[Val89]

So maybe like just trying to make the unwnd slot confed
And i can see unwnd going along with it

No, unwnd wasn't in the game N1; and as far as I can see, unwnd never crumbed either.

Ydra did say this early D2 prior to unwnd rep-in:

it’s not against the rules but scum does in fact benefit in knowing about protectives

stares at you until you understand

I bet you’re scum and already know the answer, that’s why you’re saying this :3

stares at you until You Understand

Combined with all the business about her being self resolving (and now that I look again at Ydras repeated promises to be "prove town" on D2, it's well over the top for a disloyal checker claim) I am starting to wonder if Ydra was planning on claiming the protective? Is it possible it's Pooky + unwnd/MB + Ydra, with the no kill gambit originally planned for Ydra to take advantage of, but MB decided to take over?

After all, I've never been able to figure out why, if town!unwnd was sure IV was town enough to select them for the doc save over Toto, and then there had been no kill, why this is what unwnd had to say about IV immediately following:

IV at the end wasn't really splitting hairs but 'only doing this for policy reasons' felt a bit stilted. Felt more like something he feel like he could justify which makes me question my read on him a bit

I'm a tad more paranoid about you IV but I feel like it's something I don't wanna get into until I have to

Granted, this requires Ydra to decide there is enough benefit in clearing skitter, who was otherwise a potentially viable mislim for today, but maybe having the deepwolf in MB is enough.

[skitter30]

Scoliosis [4]: KittyTacky, Dannflor, unwnd, Ydrasse

Squad

(Which one of you two is scum)

This is day2?

[skitter30]

Math repped in day2
And p immediately started softing doc

So for pooky/ydra/math to make sense
1. Scum choose to no kill n1 to set up a doc claim
2. Ydra hints at that
3. Math as soon as he reps in starts softing doc?
(In conflict to ydra? Why didnt unwnd soft?)