Mini Normal 2285: GM [game over]

[Val89]

Let's hear it then.

[Firebringer]

I likewise don't see how Town!MB implies scum!FB.

ELI5?

My role explains why FB can’t be a town jailkeeper.

we already know ur role.

[MathBlade]

“You’ll see on my flip why I don’t TR FB. That’s the easiest way.”

bro what?

Exactly. Scum have two options whoever they are

Kill me or flip me.

So they can either put up or shut up.

[MathBlade]

Let's hear it then.

Infinite shot ninja doc.

There’s no way there’s a town jailkeep and an infinite shot doc without scum having a counter,

I see no evidence of such.

Ergo FB is scum.

[Firebringer]

Kill me or flip me.

or option 3: keep u around, because ur helping them during the day more than hurting them.

[MathBlade]

Kill me or flip me.

or option 3: keep u around, because ur helping them during the day more than hurting them.

That option is the shut up = I am town.

[Firebringer]

Infinite shot ninja doc.

we already knew this except for the infinite part.
Which i already suspected was the thing.
This doesn't conflict with me at all.
I am limited in shots.
I might be out, im not outing if i am.

[Val89]

Well, here is the thing, Mathblade.

Unless something "spicy" happens between now and then, if we are both around in an Final ELO; I'm voting you.

Make of that what you will.

[Firebringer]

the only good that this is accomplishing is scum are watching this and thinking that keeping both me and math alive is good because then we can be at each other throats for longer. Therefore we can stop more kills as we won't be targetted.
That is the only good mathblade delusions on ability to setup spec datisi is bringing the town right now.

[Val89]

Remind me why you are so convinced Math is town, again?

[Firebringer]

pooky v mathblade indicates he is town.
also this is literally the same mathblade who played with me in house of the dragons where he tunneled on me calling me scum all game and in the dead thread even when i got guilties on the scum.
he even said word for word i was gambitting to buy towncred, that he literally just gave u as the reason i didn't kill him last night.

Its comical how silly math is. Could this be fake? Sure I guess. But from my experience with scum!math to town!math. One I can work with and is reasonable, the other is not. I will let you figure out which is which.

[innocentvillager]

Let's hear it then.

This sounded very hilariously uninformed for some reason and gave me townvibes

[MathBlade]

Dude you were so scummy in that game.

I would rather not rehash things there.

I just got out of something stressful IRL and would not rehash something that’s going to just piss me off when you won’t acknowledge your play was bad.

[innocentvillager]

pooky v mathblade indicates he is town.
also this is literally the same mathblade who played with me in house of the dragons where he tunneled on me calling me scum all game and in the dead thread even when i got guilties on the scum.
he even said word for word i was gambitting to buy towncred, that he literally just gave u as the reason i didn't kill him last night.

Its comical how silly math is. Could this be fake? Sure I guess. But from my experience with scum!math to town!math. One I can work with and is reasonable, the other is not. I will let you figure out which is which.

So in your experience scum!Math is reasonable? (I have never played with scum!Math)

[innocentvillager]

If I absolutely had to vig some1 rn I think it would be Ydr

[Firebringer]

Dude you were so scummy in that game.

I would rather not rehash things there.

I just got out of something stressful IRL and would not rehash something that’s going to just piss me off when you won’t acknowledge your play was bad.

I GOT 2 FUCKING GUILTIES ON SCUM
ALL YOU DID WAS TOWNREAD THE SCUM AND PUSH TOWNIES.

But yes, lets go on how about I PLAYED THAT GAME POORLY

[Firebringer]

So in your experience scum!Math is reasonable? (I have never played with scum!Math)

yes

[Firebringer]

fyi i fucking acknowledge my early game to mid game in house of dragons was piss poor.
Ive done it multiple times. This "won't acknowledge how you played poorly" is just so rich when ur making the same mistakes as that game.

[Firebringer]

but ill stop it here math.
I won't bring up house of dragons again in this game.

[Toto]

At some point I was worried Math was softing JOAT.

so yeah,

So we have an informed macho IC
an infinite shot ninja doctor
a many shot jail keeper informed that I'm macho.
a presumably infinite shot ascetic watcher
a 1-shot-almost-cop

Either way it's interesting none of these gain anything or are encouraged to target me on N1, which is at least consistent.

But also seems like we are one Ironman short of the avengers. But maybe I'm making too big of a deal here.

kitty has to be town due to the ninja thing, right? *looks nervously at datisi*

scum Math means = scum NKed on N1, Math tried to shoot but got JKed on N2, Math + X decided to NK on N3 or Math+Skitter is a thing where Math is a roleblocker who roleblocked Ydra.

Fire scum means = they shot at IV on N1, they decided to NK on n2 and not kill to get town cred? or to make fun of Math, maybe, Fire+X decided to NK on n3 or Fire+Skitter where they roleblocked Ydra.

Ydra scum means = scum shot at IV on N1, they shot at Math on N2, they decided to nk on N3, presumably to frame someone. What doesn't add up is declaring Skitter scum. But maybe the simple solution is ydra+skitter and we are complicating all this.

Occam's razor says Ydra is scum.

JK + doctor + watcher + IC is sort of still OP but maybe ok given IC and watcher are not protectable.

[Toto]

Anyone townreading Ydra?

[Firebringer]

i was when i joined. I was when she claimed. Now not feeling that strongly

[Firebringer]

im presuming the mafia has all ninjas btw.
So Kitty role is essentially only going to spot me or ydra visit someone, and considering ydra and mine would not visit Toto night one for obvious reasons. It is mostly there as filler and not useful for the town also exists to weaken the cop as its another person the doc can't protect.

toto + kitty both can't be saved. So having limited shot jk and infinite doctor isn't that op for protectives.
Scum have 2 free kill choices we can't save unless i jailkeep. And I am also guessing scum have rolestopper ninja on their team to even weaken either me or math. Why they haven't used it on kill targets for say math might be because they haven't thought it was necessary to rolestop a kill. Or maybe scum just have an ascetic therefore weaking just me jailkeeping them to stop a kill.

Either way, the setup doesn't seem so op if u consider all mafia are ninjas and either have an ascetic also on the team or rolestoper and less likely imo, roleblocker.

[Firebringer]

this is the last time i setup spec in this game.
its a datisi game and we will all have egg on our faces for trying to think we can pear into the abyss that is his setup design.

[KittyTacky]

I don't know what to do.

I think the safest choice is Herta. Math and Fire both have valid points and I don't know who to believe. I'm parked on Herta.