Open 869 | Fight for the Winter Court [Game Over!]

[absinthe]

You're not going to badger me into cross voting atp.

[MathBlade]

And why won’t you vote conf scum to you?

What’s your reads on the other games?

[absinthe]

are you actually asking me for input that you haven't provided, yourself?

[MathBlade]

are you actually asking me for input that you haven't provided, yourself?

Sure am.

I already think you’re scum and Coral is town (as evidenced by the interactions we’ve had even if I haven’t outright said it)

It’s between Chara and the replace for the scum in the other game I think but that ones the harder one to solve. Chara is a hard read.

[absinthe]

I believe catboi is town in the keep. I haven't been able to figure out the wall.

[MathBlade]

Interesting why?

[absinthe]

His energy dip resonates. And so do his thoughts about the game.

I could say some things that I think are indicative of his scum game that aren't present and vice versa, but I think the less he learns about how I read him the better.

[MathBlade]

See this is what I don’t like. I feel everyone is really closed off this game and it makes it hard.

I could say “I townread Ydrasse because her energy dip resonates. I could say some things but then that might spoil how I read people”

But two problems a) she’s the mod and B) I could substitute anything there.

[Chara]

are you actually asking me for input that you haven't provided, yourself?

Sure am.

I already think you’re scum and Coral is town (as evidenced by the interactions we’ve had even if I haven’t outright said it)

It’s between Chara and the replace for the scum in the other game I think but that ones the harder one to solve. Chara is a hard read.

do you townread Isis?

[MathBlade]

are you actually asking me for input that you haven't provided, yourself?

Sure am.

I already think you’re scum and Coral is town (as evidenced by the interactions we’ve had even if I haven’t outright said it)

It’s between Chara and the replace for the scum in the other game I think but that ones the harder one to solve. Chara is a hard read.

do you townread Isis?

It’s not so much a townread per se more a I don’t see Isis scum so de facto town.

I don’t see Isis making that swap. Isis likes games like Pokémon and Magic and other strategy things.

I don’t see scum Isis making a move where she puts absinthe/ffery against Coral unless she thought she wins that battle.

[MathBlade]

And given one sided this battle seems between the two I just don’t see scum Isis doing that unless it’s scum Coral and if it’s scum Coral we are in a world of hurt because then almost no one else has posted any reads of note

[MathBlade]

And I really don’t see scum Coral so de facto Isis town.

[Coral]

There's always more I could say if delayed forever (for example, seeing how Aisa engages with the game), but I think a flip is more valuable given the time remaining. I'll probably keep talking as long as I'm alive but there's nothing I need to say before the flip, so go ahead whenever you're ready.

What’s your solve for the two games you’re not in?

Kind of a last reads.

You too absinthe?

Don’t think I didn’t notice you not cross voting.

I still think catboi is scum and should be the voter. If he's town, he can solve between the remaining two, I'm conflicted. I think my reasons for Math being town are more solid but that's my own opinion.

On Wall I have a really hard time with it. I had a gut scumread on Chara for how it played day 1, but I don't think it's scum with catboi. I didn't really try hard to sort demona and hoped she would be made IC, but leaned town without much rigor. Herta made the slot extremely scummy for me and that is hard to ignore. Isis I leaned town on day 1 but I think she's been the only one day 2 to really feel like she's pushing different angles to potentially try to prevent what seems to me like it could be heading towards a town victory. I probably would have Aisa > Isis > Chara as my solve if catboi is scum, but if catboi is scum, then maybe it doesn't matter.

I guess that's my main worry. This all feels too easy. Everyone was pretty on board with absinthe being scum, and I don't really know how scum expect to win here? I guess hope that people come to that same fear and start to doubt? absinthe being basically in antispew for almost all of day 2 has me thinking that scum could be set up well off her flip. But with the other two games not really having a strong consensus and still being fairly up in the air, even from my perspective, maybe they're just hoping they can fight hard to win both of those.

[Isis]

and if it’s scum Coral we are in a world of hurt because then almost no one else has posted any reads of note

I lold

[Isis]

maybe they're just hoping they can fight hard to win both of those.

The scumteam can be
all people who repped out and are now politely finishing the game, or sometimes not doing so. If so then appreciation to math for sportsmanship and tia to Aisa for playing out.
More likely though trying to model the entire scumteam's WIM or the outs they're playing is perilous and a lot harder than solving one more time and winning.

If that whole post is a Jacobellis trick to invite us to reevaluate you and flex if we don't then epicc

I can't take the invitation when absinthe is just complaining about a slump

[Isis]

If absinthe is town I dont have the snow shovels or the familiarity with her style to ever

[Aisa]

Morning all.

Isis, were you actually Una in Treestump Express? Just want to know if I've experienced (one version of) your town game before.

I skimmed some Isis and Chara posts and I am in a mini panicc about how I'm going to be able to sort them. Then again maybe that'll make the game fun. I haven't read much of the rest of the game yet. Please be patient if I start asking about things that have already been talked about.

i think if we haven't flipped a minigame in two days (deadline is in 5 days) i'm going to vote demonaslot and let Isis do as she wishes.

D: nonono!

Just in case you are very literal about the two days, I'm serous though. At a glance I don't see anything in Isis's ISO that should be impossible to fake as scum or any massive towntelling, though I'm curious about the change of heart on Isis I found in your ISO and will make sure to check out the conversation that seemingly led to it. I will give the game content, and I think I should be findable as Town. Well. I guess this boils down to "give me a chance no quickhammer pls".

[Aisa]

If absinthe is town I dont have the snow shovels or the familiarity with her style to ever

I guess I vibe with this. At a glance Coral is more stereotypically towny than Absinthe, so, without yet having tried very hard to discern alignment, I think that even trying quite hard I may not be able to conclude anything other than Coral-town, absinthe-scum. Which I get totally sucks for absinthe and I'm sorry.

Under regular circumstances I'd wait to have actually read 10 pages end to end rather than self-fulfilling-prophecy-ing myself, but people seem deflated about no one stating any reads, so. Figured why not just state a random thought that came to mind.

[Aisa]

are you actually asking me for input that you haven't provided, yourself?

Sure am.

I already think you’re scum and Coral is town (as evidenced by the interactions we’ve had even if I haven’t outright said it)

It’s between Chara and the replace for the scum in the other game I think but that ones the harder one to solve. Chara is a hard read.

do you townread Isis?

It’s not so much a townread per se more a I don’t see Isis scum so de facto town.

I don’t see Isis making that swap. Isis likes games like Pokémon and Magic and other strategy things.

I don’t see scum Isis making a move where she puts absinthe/ffery against Coral unless she thought she wins that battle.

This caught my eye. What do you think of the following possibilities?
1. absinthe is scum, scum thought they were making a good or ok swap at the time
2. absinthe is scum, scum thought swapping absinthe into the Gate would not be favourable, but were trying to maximise their chances of winning the other two games
3. absinthe is not scum, scum know exactly what they're doing because scum are about to win a minigame

And given one sided this battle seems between the two I just don’t see scum Isis doing that unless it’s scum Coral and if it’s scum Coral we are in a world of hurt because then almost no one else has posted any reads of note

Do you tr Coral? Are you content with absinthe getting voted out in the Gate?

I'll be back later~

[MathBlade]

1) I really don’t think so.
-> Game 1 is about voting out the scum. Subbing in a relatively inactive player versus an active player like Coral seems really -EV.

The next two options assume absinthe scum.

Assume Skitter is town -> This means a two scum world in the bottom game. Surely with how inactive absinthe has been they’d have a better position of arguing absinthe town by swapping Catboi or me up. But instead they took skitter away from the game and brought her down in a scenario that was joked about in the beginning. I don’t see a scum Isis doing that

Assume Skitter is scum -> So scum Isis swaps out a decent chance at winning the 1v1 with absinthe? For a scenario that no one seemed to want? Again this doesn’t seem like

2) Again I don’t think Isis is the type of player to do that.

Assume absinthe is scum for these options

Skitter is town -> then one of Faker aka Prism (my slot) or Catboi would be scum. I don’t see how that swap helps scum win game three.
Skitter is scum -> Then scum did a reverse where even if absinthe was mod confirmed scum ffery could drag out the loss. Instead they put the timing of games in mod confirmed hands? Again doesn’t seem Isis.

3) Assume Absinthe is not scum. It’s always possible that Coral is scum here but I just don’t find it likely. And yes I tr Coral and yes I am okay with the top game resolving. If Coral is scum she earned it. Congrats to her.

[catboi]

this is the scenario I feared, things are taking too long. I wanted to be polite and accomodate people but it's really not leading anywhere. I'm going to vote in the next few hours, if anyone's around and has something to ask, speak up now.

[Aisa]

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2) Again I don’t think Isis is the type of player to do that.

Assume absinthe is scum for these options

Skitter is town -> then one of Faker aka Prism (my slot) or Catboi would be scum. I don’t see how that swap helps scum win game three.
Skitter is scum -> Then scum did a reverse where

even if absinthe was mod confirmed scum ffery could drag out the loss

. Instead they put the timing of games in mod confirmed hands? Again doesn’t seem Isis.
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Mhmm I don't quite understand the bolded. Thanks for the reply otherwise. I guess I don't yet know enough about who wanted to be swapped where to be able to judge. I guess this all sounds vaguely reasonable but I'm still skeptical that this strongly indicates Isis is not scum.

Random thought, if I were scum and the initial split was one scum in each group I'd want to swap two townies

[Aisa]

this is the scenario I feared, things are taking too long. I wanted to be polite and accomodate people but it's really not leading anywhere. I'm going to vote in the next few hours, if anyone's around and has something to ask, speak up now.

Hi I guess that seems fair enough, fmpov ideally you wouldn't vote for a couple days, but I kinda agree that from the rest of the game's pov a flip is useful, necessary even. I'm personally not going to support or oppose, do what you want.

I guess it would be nice to hear your Wall solve before you disappear.

I'm going to read the game and catch up for realz starting now.

[catboi]

this is the scenario I feared, things are taking too long. I wanted to be polite and accomodate people but it's really not leading anywhere. I'm going to vote in the next few hours, if anyone's around and has something to ask, speak up now.

Hi I guess that seems fair enough, fmpov ideally you wouldn't vote for a couple days, but I kinda agree that from the rest of the game's pov a flip is useful, necessary even. I'm personally not going to support or oppose, do what you want.

I guess it would be nice to hear your Wall solve before you disappear.

I'm going to read the game and catch up for realz starting now.

the deadline is in less than 4 days, if you are town I am sorry but I absolutely cannot wait for you

[Aisa]

No worries.
Is it skitter you want to vote?