Mini 2286: Legends of the Hidden Temple IV (Explorers Win!)

[furtiveglance]

Spoiler:

Funnily, the word "passive" came to mind before furtive mentioned it. I think "furtive is being a little passive" feels like a more precise read of the situation than "furtive committed a mechanical blunder".

As in, I think his behaviour may be simply be the result of having limited time and not valuing sorting his teammate as much as Nancy or Flea do.

I've touched on this, but I think that there are multiple ways a Townie can make themselves useful in this setup. The neighbourhood is definitely a resource, but having a nullread on your teammate and good reads on the rest of the playerlist would also be very helpful.

In short, I guess that the accusation Flea is levelling here is that furtive doesn't seem to prioritise sorting me, but I don't see how that's scum-indicative.

This is interesting, as this is a 18 minute later clarification and deflection on furtives behalf as well as a nice lil twist on what I've said so far.

Wow I wonder what you're really subtly implying here...oh no if I infer anything from this then it reveals my very sus defensive pov how smart of you

A neighbourhood is a powerful tool for both town and scum. if you're both town as well thats even better as you can collab reads and build cases together, thats two voices acting as one.

Nancys been proven an amazing hydra partner many many times in the past, having a neighbourhood with her where I know shes town makes us stupid good.

To respond to this and Nancy's point about teams in this game, the strength of Masons as a role is not the PT, it's knowing each other are town, which will never be possible in this game no matter how strong the townread on your teammate is. Even taking Masons as an example, I can't think of many uses for a PT besides preserving reads across a night on which you die. Very limited uses.

Now for the twist, you're stating that I believe furtive not prioritising sorting you is scum-indicative.
I haven't said that, at all - though I can see the skimmed milk off hand comment being seen as such.

Wow Aisa that was sus to infer that Flea sussed me, when fae literally said it in 164 and probably other posts, insanely sus

Where I started was curiosity about furtive

seeming to take the team as a single entity, not two entities

. Further digging gave the absence of you. No read on you, this seems odd to me so I decided to poke it. Where I stand at the moment is I'm still a bit sus that furtive seems to be secretive.

When did I do the bolded. Literally never did I take the team as a single entity. This is a complete cap. How was I meant to get a read on Aisa's initial posts? Did you? Our PT was practically empty.

The word choice and flow is very very short and minimal

. It betrays no information beyond simple answers. How I read people is in how they write.

I don't think this is true about my ISO in this game. Obviously this will be somewhat subjective, others are free to weigh in.

You, for example are using short, chained statements. You also state something then either give a justification or an excuse for it. You're attempting to be dismissive of this and claiming there's reasons for both. You're using an active defence with indirect defences.

Its interesting, and amusingly puts more sus on you from my side

.

You might be too far tunneled for help from me at this point. Good luck getting me/us killed then, it won't be easy

This style of response really really irks me...

That's funny, your post irked me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Flea I think you’re wrong. I think furtive’s reaction is townie.

[Cephrir]

And with your team. It's possible for both members of the team to be scumbuddies and generally an early tactic is often to not bring any light onto your buddies. The absence of you from his ISO screams louder than anything else there, and it caught my attention.

i was going to say something like "surely there are other pairs who aren't focused on each other" but then i realized there actually aren't

aisa's defense comes off townie but it's curious that it was posted from a motivation standpoint. why not let furtive fight his own battles

[Flea The Magician]

Funnily, the word "passive" came to mind before furtive mentioned it. I think "furtive is being a little passive" feels like a more precise read of the situation than "furtive committed a mechanical blunder".

As in, I think his behaviour may be simply be the result of having limited time and not valuing sorting his teammate as much as Nancy or Flea do.

I've touched on this, but I think that there are multiple ways a Townie can make themselves useful in this setup. The neighbourhood is definitely a resource, but having a nullread on your teammate and good reads on the rest of the playerlist would also be very helpful.

In short, I guess that the accusation Flea is levelling here is that furtive doesn't seem to prioritise sorting me, but I don't see how that's scum-indicative.

This is interesting, as this is a 18 minute later clarification and deflection on furtives behalf as well as a nice lil twist on what I've said so far.

Wow I wonder what you're really subtly implying here...oh no if I infer anything from this then it reveals my very sus defensive pov how smart of you

I haven't implied anything. I've said exactly what I've said. This is an afterthought and a chunky one at that, with enough time to step away and come back.

A neighbourhood is a powerful tool for both town and scum. if you're both town as well thats even better as you can collab reads and build cases together, thats two voices acting as one.

Nancys been proven an amazing hydra partner many many times in the past, having a neighbourhood with her where I know shes town makes us stupid good.

To respond to this and Nancy's point about teams in this game, the strength of Masons as a role is not the PT, it's knowing each other are town, which will never be possible in this game no matter how strong the townread on your teammate is. Even taking Masons as an example, I can't think of many uses for a PT besides preserving reads across a night on which you die. Very limited uses.

A masonry is entirely different. This is shifting perspective and irrelevant.

Now for the twist, you're stating that I believe furtive not prioritising sorting you is scum-indicative.
I haven't said that, at all - though I can see the skimmed milk off hand comment being seen as such.

Wow Aisa that was sus to infer that Flea sussed me, when fae literally said it in 164 and probably other posts, insanely sus[/quote]
Suspicious, yes. Doesn't mean I'm SRing you. It means you've caught my attention for the wrong reasons. This is also referencing my opening post where I've skimmed up to the game and I assume then you're referring to my comment on your 103. It caught my attention for the wrong reasons, and significantly so.
sus != SAI.

Where I started was curiosity about furtive

seeming to take the team as a single entity, not two entities

. Further digging gave the absence of you. No read on you, this seems odd to me so I decided to poke it. Where I stand at the moment is I'm still a bit sus that furtive seems to be secretive.

When did I do the bolded. Literally never did I take the team as a single entity. This is a complete cap. How was I meant to get a read on Aisa's initial posts? Did you? Our PT was practically empty.

Has been my impression throughout your posts and early interactions with me.

The word choice and flow is very very short and minimal

. It betrays no information beyond simple answers. How I read people is in how they write.

I don't think this is true about my ISO in this game. Obviously this will be somewhat subjective, others are free to weigh in.

It absolutely is subjective and its how I work and have perceived you, others are always free to weigh in on this.

You, for example are using short, chained statements. You also state something then either give a justification or an excuse for it. You're attempting to be dismissive of this and claiming there's reasons for both. You're using an active defence with indirect defences.

Its interesting, and amusingly puts more sus on you from my side

.

You might be too far tunneled for help from me at this point. Good luck getting me/us killed then, it won't be easy

Amusingly what you've bolded is me shifting my sights onto Aisa, the amazing thing is I haven't even shifted into starting to go for you or Aisa seriously yet and you're already basically shouting

COME AT ME BRUH!

for BOTH of you.

I have no intention of getting either of you killed at this time, cool your jets. I haven't even been here a day yet. As for your 250, good. If that's your response to that post, good.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yes I agree with you, so does mastina

Are you bussing?

This seems odd, what drove this?

I think I’m liking Gamma so far, not a super strong read yet but not picking up any weirdness.

Weirdness: They sussed me after STD sussed me and Ceph. That's an associative. That's a decision. It was unexplained and still is.

I like this reaction from you. I could be wrong. I think I like Yume, STD and Mastina the best so far.

Have a read of STD's ISO in schadd's recent Large Normal. I think they could be a dark horse. Not really committed to a read on them yet.

Idk but they were more of a tryhard in that game but so far nothing they’ve done is pinging me.

[Flea The Magician]

Of course I butchered the quotes.

[furtiveglance]

I'm going to bed now. I think the worst should challenge the Orange Iguanas, and that votepool would do me for D1.

[Flea The Magician]

Gnight, love to know why you're thinking that in the morning and if you still stand by it.

[Cephrir]

interesting. I feel like I've not picked up the energy of any of megazu's takes and when I tried to sort in the hood megazu was like *claps* refer to the main thread

what have they done in the main thread that's supposed to be interesting to you

[furtiveglance]

Just briefly though Flea, bottom line is I think you and Aisa are both town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Strongest trs so far are Yume, furtive and maybe Mastina. I think Flea is as well.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Just briefly though Flea, bottom line is I think you and Aisa are both town.

She could be but she’s an extremely difficult read in pretty much any game, so if you have any info from inside your pt you can share, that would be super.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Ythan, what is your Gamma read?

It would be really cool if everyone could state a read on their hood partner with reasons.

[mastina]

Spoiler: std only nobody else open

megazu is like, scum, right

Worstie are you okay with us dueling you+Meg?

I don't think you're scum with Meg but think Meg is scum.

[Cephrir]

You might be too far tunneled for help from me at this point. Good luck getting me/us killed then, it won't be easy

i havent exhaustively read this post yet but this seems out of proportion to flea's like, probing and reasonably mild suspicions in your area. also strange how much you view yourself as a unit with aisa

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ftr I think Ythan is town since I see no real buddying or pocketing going on rn in our thread from her

Sounds like you are being pocketed /s

StD could you elaborate on your furtive scumread?

Based on? Where is Ythan pocketing Gamma?

Gamma: I see no evidence I’m being pocketed by Ythan.

Mega: sounds like you’re being pocketed by her. Dafuq?

[Save The Dragons]

nancy what is your flea read based on

[Cephrir]

Yes I agree with you, so does mastina

Are you bussing?

This seems odd, what drove this?

My myriad scumreads, of which you are one

want to share with the class

[Cephrir]

Yes I agree with you, so does mastina

Are you bussing?

This seems odd, what drove this?

I think I’m liking Gamma so far, not a super strong read yet but not picking up any weirdness.

Weirdness: They sussed me after STD sussed me and Ceph. That's an associative. That's a decision. It was unexplained and still is.

oh right you already did never mind

[Nancy Drew 39]

nancy what is your flea read based on

I’ve played with scum!Flea in Squid, won’t out her but it was under an alt and fae sounded less hard hitting, similar to how Taly sounded in their pt with Bell except it was in our pt. She pocketed me in that but it looked like fae was playing up to me. It just feels very different here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

nancy what is your flea read based on

I’ve played with scum!Flea in Squid, won’t out FAER but it was under an alt and fae sounded less hard hitting, similar to how Taly sounded in their pt with Bell except it was in our pt. She pocketed me in that but it looked like fae was playing up to me. It just feels very different here.

Sorry Flea. :/

[Gamma Emerald]

Yes I agree with you, so does mastina

Are you bussing?

This seems odd, what drove this?

My myriad scumreads, of which you are one

riiiight

I think I am right, that's the thing

It just seems like your trajectory is way off here
You bounce from saying “I think you’re right” to “I think you’re bussing”, which gives the impression you are worried about consistency. And when pressed on the matter you go out of your way to re-affirm another states scumread. You feel inauthentic.

i feel like other people are having more valuable interactions than i can really have rn but i'll bbl

Why is this?

[Cephrir]

And when pressed on the matter you go out of your way to re-affirm another states scumread. You feel inauthentic.

while i am currently agreeing with this it seems like furtive still has an outstanding question to you and id like to see it answered if i didn't miss that

[Gamma Emerald]

Ftr I think Ythan is town since I see no real buddying or pocketing going on rn in our thread from her

Sounds like you are being pocketed /s

StD could you elaborate on your furtive scumread?

Based on? Where is Ythan pocketing Gamma?

Gamma: I see no evidence I’m being pocketed by Ythan.

Mega: sounds like you’re being pocketed by her. Dafuq?

“/s” means it was sarcasm

[Gamma Emerald]

And when pressed on the matter you go out of your way to re-affirm another states scumread. You feel inauthentic.

while i am currently agreeing with this it seems like furtive still has an outstanding question to you and id like to see it answered if i didn't miss that

I just ISOed furtive and I don’t see it