Mini 2286: Legends of the Hidden Temple IV (Explorers Win!)

[Save The Dragons]

i want to root for the argument that is just a meme because it's awesome but i'm not sure i buy it

[Save The Dragons]

aisa announced a VLA for this time period so i don't really see it as a scummy pop in

[Gamma Emerald]

This wagon on Aisa sucks. I'm not happy

I’m not happy with any of the options. I wanted to vote duckling but here we are. I’m happy to wait to hear what she says when she posts later today.

Could you possibly paraphrase yours and Aisa’s convos in your hood?

@Gamma, can you do that with Ythan as well or vice-versa?

Sure

[furtiveglance]

Associative = could be partnery

Anti-associative = makes partners less likely

Probably isn't ordered within the tiers

VOTE: Yume

Bad entrance

RVS vote but I'll take this as anti-associative and I already think Yume is town anyway

Not entirely sure how it works

Either way Nancy voting mastina is incredibly odd for that umm.... case

Ok, the vote in question is 55. I'm inclined to believe that Meg wouldn't want to hamstring Nancy if they were Mafia together by criticising her vote. It's a possible chainsaw for mastina though.

Quoting makes it feel like trying to justify it with what is obviously RVS sillyness

???

Come again?

Exactly how are you getting “rvs silliness” from all of that? What part of it are you reading as that?

"Mastina put a heart emoji and they did that as scum before so they must be scum"

If Yume was seriously saying that it's frankly ridiculous but you seem to be taking it at face value.

Seems anti-associative to me.

StD town tbh

I don't think this is anti-associative, personal read of course. I think with 4 Mafia in 12, you'd probably want to townread at least 1 partner, though how you went about that might look different for each player.

Woah I just realised this setup doesn’t have a fixed number of miselims before Town loses, isn’t maths crazy

Technically yes but if there's two all-town mislims without scum dead, town loses. So we only get two.

It's nightless so we get 4 mislims +1 for every scum eliminated.

Also this feels like town mastina

I do get more pockety vibes from this about mastina, more anti-associative than previous comment about her.

With this next post below, I'll type in

purple

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First and foremost I don’t really like how TW hasn’t made efforts to engage in our PT. I know I wan’t active but it feels like TW isn’t interested in sorting my alignment because they made no effort for this since I last posted in there.

I don't think this is anti-associative, I can see Meg saying this about a partner.

Rest of my thoughts are as I catch up. I’ll post a few pages at a time as I read.

Post 173: This post makes me feel like Nancy doesn’t really understand the situation or mechanics of the game and I don’t think Scum!nancy stands to gain much from faking this. A part of me thinks Scum!Nancy would get help from partners for understanding the setup.

I think this is anti-associative.

Post 182: No it did not. I’ll probably drop that weirdness as it feels like genuine confusion which is probably slightly plus town for nancy and I don’t think more can be attributed to it at this point.

Post 187 Seems to be Furtive playing dumb and trying to OMGUS. +Scum

I like 196 from Flea, I feel like it makes sense but it’s mostly mechanical.

This one could go either way for me, I think sometimes scum like to talk about mechanics in reference to their partners, but then again outright saying 'I like this from Flea' is slightly anti-associative I think.

Post 202. This feels like Scum!Furtive. Actively sorting only scum reads isn’t critically evaluating the game. That’s trying to get a miselim through. If you are reading and focusing on the game you should be looking for towny and scummy things, you don’t just actively search one or the other. Like there’s not going to be more information on something just because you ignore other things. Doesn’t make sense.

Post 213 is interesting. I think Aisa/Furtive being both scums made some sense with furtive’s weirdness on the slot, but this post really blatantly seems to say why would furtive be weird

specifically with my slot.

The natural answer I feel is saying they are partners but I don’t think scum!Aisa is this blatant about it

252 Drives an interesting point by Cephir that I think leads more into the partnership of Furtive/Aisa. Due to the high density of scum I think these kind of associatives will be many between partners so I’m partial for it. I’m surprised nobody has suggested a furtive/aisa team to this point but I suppose I haven’t had any scummy points with Aisa on her own.

This is making me slightly nervous about Aisa. It looks a bit like 'partner swapping' - in which you call your partner scum with a town to make your argument more convincing and muddy the waters. I have done this before and it's a good strat. The way Meg is suggesting us as Mafia together, but primarily pushing me, makes me consider this 'associative'. I also think that the character of Cephrir is suspiciously placed here. Meg is borrowing his read, but never bothers to express a read on Cephrir in this post (or any other). This looks 'associative' to me.

253 Makes me think Flea is town. Good analysis and I’m interested in seeing if they’ve got more reads.

This looks like quite a straightforward attempt at buddying. Anti-associative.

271 +Town for Gamma. Fairly depth read but I don’t feel too strongly about the logic myself.

The post in question (271) is Gamma calling me inauthentic. I think the way that Meg balances this comment of '+town for Gamma' with the caveat that they don't necessarily agree makes this 'associative', as I've often qualified reads/comments about partners in this way before.

Will be back later for more,

Note to self: Start next on Page 12.

Realistically I'm fine with the Snakes being challenged here but I would enjoy the ability to catch up and collect my thoughts.

It's funny, the way other people accused me of seeing myself and Aisa as a team is making me question the language here. I'm going to consider this 'associative' with the worst.

In conclusion then, I think Meg has anti-associatives with Nancy, Flea, Yume and (less so) mastina.

And I think Meg has possible associatives with Aisa, Cephrir, Gamma Emerald and the worst.

Just the one interaction with STD which in my view could go either way. And no mention at all of Ythan.

Having said all this, I do prefer to read players first and foremost on their own content. This sort of stuff just adds to how I view the game, and when my own reads seem to contradict with possible 'associatives' or 'anti-associatives', it gives me something to think about.

[Gamma Emerald]

I wanted to vote duckling but here we are.

i too am disappointed we're not powerwashing the worst out of the game

dude is clearly scum

what the heck

That’s exactly why I opted to do what I did, tw isn’t gonna change his fate much if he’s scum

[Gamma Emerald]

aisa announced a VLA for this time period so i don't really see it as a scummy pop in

idk why but I feel like busy scum are

more

likely to do what I described

[Save The Dragons]

i guess

i guess i just want the shiny in front of my eyes rather than going back into the cave to hunt for another shiny

[Save The Dragons]

i want to see more from both ythan and aisa before i really make a move here

[furtiveglance]

This wagon on Aisa sucks. I'm not happy

I’m not happy with any of the options. I wanted to vote duckling but here we are. I’m happy to wait to hear what she says when she posts later today.

Could you possibly paraphrase yours and Aisa’s convos in your hood?

@Gamma, can you do that with Ythan as well or vice-versa?

Sure

If you're online....I'm guessing it won't take too long to do this. More interested in what Ythan has said in there.

[Gamma Emerald]

That wasn’t an “I’ll do it now” per se but I’ll work on it

[Haschel Cedricson]

The list of players eligible to be eliminated today consists of

Gamma Emerald
Ythan

furtiveglance
Aisa

Aisa: (3) Flea The Magician, Cephrir, Yume
furtiveglance: (1) mastina
Gamma Emerald:
Ythan:

Not Voting: Nancy Drew 39, Save The Dragons, the worst, Gamma Emerald, Ythan, furtiveglance, Aisa

With 11 players in the temple, it takes 6 to eliminate.

[Yume]

Yume, do you always sheep mastina? I saw it in HotD a bit, mastina was scum in that. You said you suspected her earlier, but now voted with. How has your read developed on mastina?

Yes, I kinda do. I do ever since that game.

Are you townreading mastina currently?

Yes.

[Cephrir]

RVS vote but I'll take this as anti-associative

[Nancy Drew 39]

RVS vote but I'll take this as anti-associative

I agree it’s an anti-associative but not really an rvs vote because rvs votes are generally silly like my vote on you. I was obviously joking when I made that vote but Mega’s vote on Yume was clearly not meant as a joke but she’s pretty much obvtown here anyway.

[Gamma Emerald]

Just gonna try to cover the bits I feel are important

Our thread starts with me mentioning a Super Mario World romhack themed around LotHT since it’s relevant to me and Ythan’s interests and I was a bit rattled during gamestart so I opted to post an icebreaker.
We then talked about how to use the hood, where I talked about my antics in the last run a bit. We then talked about what we wanted to do regarding challenges.
Ythan mentions not having much to say in the hood since her thoughts are already in the main thread. We also talked a little about video games.
I then mention my concern about mastina calling me town when my recollection is she tends to read me inversely to what I am when she’s town. I also asked Ythan to poke into the thing furtive said regarding Ceph influencing his reads.
I post the read list that I built off of for my reads I posted in-thread. One thing that I haven’t really been explicit about yet is I had Aisa as a townlean there but hadn’t really said much about in thread for a time. This resulted in some paranoia of Ythan when Flea was mixed up about my read progression on furtive/Aisa.
Ythan asks if it’s okay to mention the question I requested she asked furtive, and I give the okay. She also looks over me and furtive and comes out of it kinda suspicious of me.
I then make a comment about it feeling like multiple players are playing passive (those being tw/Meg/furtive/Flea) which was frustrating because I was considering challenging Meg+tw for the logic Cephrir stated despite him meaning the parrots. Soon after I express a desire for Flea to challenge me because I felt like fae was playing weakly.
I ask Ythan for input on my readlist in the main thread but there was some confusion on that front. This was also around the time I thought Flea and Ythan could be paired based on Flea mentioning an Aisa TR which I’d only been explicit about in the hood for a while. In addition I mention doubt about SRing mastina since she also went after Flea who was pretty UTR. Eventually Ythan reaches my readlist and says my townreads look okay and she wants to look into my SRs.
I call out 549 as weird, albeit potentially towny. I also express interest in a jaguars/parrots challenge as a “clear some of the fog around these slots” idea.
I ask Ythan about the Jaguars/Snakes challenge which prompts her to mention being behind. I also noted I felt like furtive was reading into my 573 as an associative with Meg+tw which I found inane. That’s also why I asked furtive’s thought on that post in here.
I posted *popcorn gif* in the hood when Flea got jumpy at the E-1 and voted Yume
After the first challenge finished, I posted a greeting when Ythan popped into the thread and then a sorta taunting “showtime” message when I issued my challenge. She then said that reading the current challenge would be easier than the last one since she had thoughts on the group already, to which I asked her to give thoughts on some of the still alive members of the last challenge.

[furtiveglance]

RVS vote but I'll take this as anti-associative

Is that all you want to comment on from that post?

[Cephrir]

Seems that way doesn't it

[furtiveglance]

Just gonna try to cover the bits I feel are important

Our thread starts with me mentioning a Super Mario World romhack themed around LotHT since it’s relevant to me and Ythan’s interests and I was a bit rattled during gamestart so I opted to post an icebreaker.
We then talked about how to use the hood, where I talked about my antics in the last run a bit. We then talked about what we wanted to do regarding challenges.
Ythan mentions not having much to say in the hood since her thoughts are already in the main thread. We also talked a little about video games.
I then mention my concern about mastina calling me town when my recollection is she tends to read me inversely to what I am when she’s town. I also asked Ythan to poke into the thing furtive said regarding Ceph influencing his reads.
I post the read list that I built off of for my reads I posted in-thread. One thing that I haven’t really been explicit about yet is I had Aisa as a townlean there but hadn’t really said much about in thread for a time. This resulted in some paranoia of Ythan when Flea was mixed up about my read progression on furtive/Aisa.
Ythan asks if it’s okay to mention the question I requested she asked furtive, and I give the okay. She also looks over me and furtive and comes out of it kinda suspicious of me.
I then make a comment about it feeling like multiple players are playing passive (those being tw/Meg/furtive/Flea) which was frustrating because I was considering challenging Meg+tw for the logic Cephrir stated despite him meaning the parrots. Soon after I express a desire for Flea to challenge me because I felt like fae was playing weakly.
I ask Ythan for input on my readlist in the main thread but there was some confusion on that front. This was also around the time I thought Flea and Ythan could be paired based on Flea mentioning an Aisa TR which I’d only been explicit about in the hood for a while. In addition I mention doubt about SRing mastina since she also went after Flea who was pretty UTR. Eventually Ythan reaches my readlist and says my townreads look okay and she wants to look into my SRs.
I call out 549 as weird, albeit potentially towny. I also express interest in a jaguars/parrots challenge as a “clear some of the fog around these slots” idea.
I ask Ythan about the Jaguars/Snakes challenge which prompts her to mention being behind. I also noted I felt like furtive was reading into my 573 as an associative with Meg+tw which I found inane. That’s also why I asked furtive’s thought on that post in here.
I posted *popcorn gif* in the hood when Flea got jumpy at the E-1 and voted Yume
After the first challenge finished, I posted a greeting when Ythan popped into the thread and then a sorta taunting “showtime” message when I issued my challenge. She then said that reading the current challenge would be easier than the last one since she had thoughts on the group already, to which I asked her to give thoughts on some of the still alive members of the last challenge.

I'm seeing a lot of 'I' here and not too much 'Ythan'. That's all I really wanted to know (Ythan's activity level) because so far her main thread ISO looks light on reads.

It's interesting you thought that I was seeing you on a team with the worst and Meg, I was but not for 573. I'll explain later

[Cephrir]

Just gonna try to cover the bits I feel are important

Our thread starts with me mentioning a Super Mario World romhack

I just thought this was funny

[Gamma Emerald]

Our activity is similar in the hood it’s just I’m more involved in the game rn
I also cut some fluff out that was wedged in with the content

[Cephrir]

I posted *popcorn gif* in the hood when Flea got jumpy at the E-1 and voted Yume

Hmm

[Gamma Emerald]

Just gonna try to cover the bits I feel are important

Our thread starts with me mentioning a Super Mario World romhack

I just thought this was funny

I can’t just gloss over the opening tho?

[furtiveglance]

I'm at a point where I would be interested to see an iguanas vs snakes challenge. I think all four have scum equity and I'd like to see them under pressure & commit the whole game to sorting them all

Do you still scumread both me and Aisa?

[furtiveglance]

Later on I will look at other people talking to/about Meg. Let me know if you have any formatting preferences, I think my recent big post was a bit hard to read

[Cephrir]

I'm at a point where I would be interested to see an iguanas vs snakes challenge. I think all four have scum equity and I'd like to see them under pressure & commit the whole game to sorting them all

Do you still scumread both me and Aisa?

I'm not sure about you right now, I have found myself interacting with you and pushing on things quite a bit but I suspect her more for reasons that perhaps aren't fully clear to me right now