Mini 2286: Legends of the Hidden Temple IV (Explorers Win!)

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: cephrir

Babe?

Wow

[mastina]

Can you also explain these two posts that were made 13 minutes apart?

I honestly don't see what's the confusion?

There were four combatants. {Ythan, Aisa, Gamma, furtive}.
I thought all were likely town at the time, but that of them {furtive > Aisa} had the higher odds of being sucm.

I thought there were better odds of finding scum outside, in Flea/Wosrtie/StD, but I had to vote someone.


As for have I towned up: in

[some

senses, yes. I know how mountainous games go when you bus scum; Take a look at this game and how scum fared and tell me how likely it is that I, mastina, the one who wrote the article saying not to bus, who has THAT GAME as PERSONAL EXPERIENCE of how badly bussing in nightless goes, is to HARD bus.
I never would bus here, yet alone, hard bus, as scum here, because of the format--bussing is always a risk/reward thing but the reward is NEVER worth it in nightless games and the risk isn't a risk, it's basically gamethrowing. Yet alone two, three times.

I feel like I have demonstrated that I am thinking town, because I have been townbinning the town players like Yume and Nancy.
I feel like I've demosntrated lack of scumness in things like my undemderstanding of the mechanics (where I thought duos dueled and were eliminated as a group).
I feel like the fact that I've been trying to play in spite of having

the best possible excuse

not to (you know what I could've done with covid? Not post at all! Literally not post. At all.), and the fact that I care and that I was positing in spite of not needing to and that I was trying and efforting in spite of having covid and being sick af and being unable to think clearly and yet I was still trying to solve, did vca, did things, was efforrting, and whilke ti was only one post every couple days or so, that's

higher than nothing

. And nothing is what I'd give as scum.

I feel like there's been flashes of my towngame because I've gotten passionate about defending Yume in a way that I don't do as scum.

But like.

Do I think I actually look town, that it's impossible for me to be scum?

Well fuck no, I'm fuckin gsick as fuck. I'm getting better, recovering, am almost over it, but I'm clearly not at 100% yet so how the fuck would I look town? Obviously I wouldn't. I feel that the signs I'm town are there, but they weren't given chance to properly develop. Y'all basically removed any chance for me to be able to demonstrate towniness.

When there's one scum left, there's nothing to become town off of. For me to become town there needed to be more scum alive to help demonstrate my towniness more stronger whne I was healthy and able to post and engage.

The signs of me being town are

there

, but thery'e not gonna get any stronger than they currently are--if I had had time to recover and we were still in D1, then I would've been able to do things like challenge Meg personally, vote Meg hard, come to the conclusion Ythan was scum before Ythan was dead, vote Ythan, stronger advocate for Gimli's death, etc. I could've done all of that if given time to recover, but since the game was rushed to its current state, none of that was given a chance.

I could've defended players who needed defending, and from defending, I would be able to demonsrate towniness more. I could've shown more nuanced thoughts, shown more progression in thoughts, if I was given the chance to, then I would've been able to.

But since that didn't happen, all the things I would normally have to solidify the towniness aren't there; they weren't given a chance to become solidified, they weren't given an opportunity to be able to be developed and become town. It's not that the towniness there isn't there; it is. It's just that it's weak because it wasn't given the strength to grow, if that makes sense. And nwo there's no real method for it to. There's a balance of probability; I think balance of probabilkty still uggests that I'd be town more likely than not. But I'd be lying if that was hard solid town.

[Save The Dragons]

Ignore the quote in my post

[mastina]

you know thats fair, I missed that and she doesn't have the lil banner.

I was so sick I didn't remember to. (That's how sick covid made me.)

I didn't even know I had botched my tags ceclaring it. (I'm still not better btw, I'm mostly better but not.)

[furtiveglance]

I'll put my thoughts this way: if only Nancy/Flea/Yume/GE/STD are alive and the game hasn't ended, I'd be massively shocked

I’d vote out Fenrir before you
You had ample opportunity to keep the focus on me when I challenged your team, letting Ythan die makes no sense

I still don't quite have closure on you but I'd be ridiculously impressed if you were mafia

Luckily decisions I'll probably never have to make

[furtiveglance]

Mastina, what's your read on Flea now?

[furtiveglance]

As for have I towned up: in [some senses, yes. I know how mountainous games go when you bus scum; Take a look at this game and how scum fared and tell me how likely it is that I, mastina, the one who wrote the article saying not to bus, who has THAT GAME as PERSONAL EXPERIENCE of how badly bussing in nightless goes, is to HARD bus.
I never would bus here, yet alone, hard bus, as scum here, because of the format--bussing is always a risk/reward thing but the reward is NEVER worth it in nightless games and the risk isn't a risk, it's basically gamethrowing. Yet alone two, three times.

This argument doesn't convince me because in the scenario that you're mafia, you only really bussed Meg. You never challenged, you claimed to TR Ythan for a while (including voting for me at the time), and I don't really remember your interactions with TW but I remember others pushing them more loudly.

[Yume]

Me watching you argue:

Spoiler:

[Cephrir]

That said flea I think you shouldn't give up on Aisa happening quite yet although granted this day is probably ending in a Meg elim if she doesn't start doing stuff

Ceph can you say a bit more about what you were thinking here?

what needs explaining? i thought you were the best lim at the time and also could read the room

[Cephrir]

VOTE: cephrir

Babe?

ok whatever idc

[Flea The Magician]

(Also to confirm, yes, it was indeed covid. I tested positive yesterday. Am feeling better now but my life still a mess. And Flea, Yume is right so fuck off with the "demotivated"/"inactived"/etc. bullshit.)

(Almost like there's multiple reasons shit can happen and I've been actively saying we need to wait for you - something your perfect lil Yume hasn't done btw - so same to you.)

[Aisa]

You had the power to challenge anyone you wanted at any time, so I'm trying to understand why you worded it as "don't give up on Aisa" as if a wagon on me was some unobtainable pie in the sky

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: cephrir

Babe?

ok whatever idc

Cephrir doesn't care guys

[Cephrir]

You had the power to challenge anyone you wanted at any time, so I'm trying to understand why you worded it as "don't give up on Aisa" as if a wagon on me was some unobtainable pie in the sky

my recollection is that flea was bemoaning the impossibility of eliminating you and i wanted fae to know they did have some support

[Yume]

VOTE: cephrir

Babe?

ok whatever idc

Cephrir doesn't care guys

I knew three other people who didn't care, and they were all mafia.

[Cephrir]

they

fae* dang it

[furtiveglance]

How to do a YT video? I put the url in youtube tags and the preview just showed the link

[mastina]

Why couldn't she just have bussed her scum partners?

How familiar are you with math?

In a normal game, it takes two mislims to make up for one scum death, pretty sure.

12 alive, 4 scum, at a rate of one elimination to one nightkill, it goes,
one mislim, one kill; 10 alive, 4 scum;
second mislim, second kill; 8 alive, 4 scum.

Now do that with a scum lim thrown in.

10 alive, 3 scum;
One mislim, one kill;
8 alive, 3 scum;
Second mislim, second kill; 6 alive, 3 scum.

Now do that with a second scum lim thrown in.

10 alive, 3 scum.
8 alive, 2 scum.
One mislim, one kill;
6 alive, 2 scum.
Second mislim, 4 alive, 2 scum.

Now do that with a third scum lim thrown in.

8 alive, 2 scum.
6 alive, 1 scum.
One mislim, one kill;
4 alive, 1 scum;
Second mislim, 2 alive 1 scum.

Seems consistent, right? Two mislims regardless.


Okay but remove the nightkill, and suddenly it gets a whole lot worse.

12 alive, 4 scum.
One mislim, no kill.
11 alive, 4 scum.
Second mislim, 4 scum.
10 alive, 4 scum.
Third mislim, 4 scum.
The earliest lylo is 9 alive, 4 scum, requiring 4 mislims to win.

Alright so if it takes 4 mislims to win.

Well then what happens if you remove a scum?

11 alive, 3 scum.
One mislim, no kill.
10 alive, 3 scum.
Second mislim, 3 scum.
9 alive, 3 scum.
Third mislim, 3 scum.
8 alive, 3 scum.
Fourth mislim, 3 scum.
7 alive, the new lylo, means it now requires a total of five mislims to win. Five, instead of four.

Well then what happens if you remove a second scum?

10 alive, 2 scum.
One mislim, no kill.
9 alive, 2 scum.
Second mislim, no kill.
8 alive, 2 scum. Third mislim, no kill.
7 alive, 2 scum. Fourth mislim, no kill.
6 alive, 2 scum. Fifth mislim, no kill.
Lylo at 5 alive then requires a sixth mislim for scum to win. Six, instead of four.

And if you removed a third?

9 alive, 1 scum.
One mislim, no kill.
8 alive, 1 scum. Mislim #2.
7 alive, 1 scum. Mislim #3.
6 alive, 1 scum. Mislim #4.
5 alive, 1 scum. Mislim #5.
4 alive, 1 scum. Mislim #6.
3 alive, 1 scum. It takes a final mislim to win. Seven mislims.

(I'm sorry thsi could have been done faster and more better, but brain dead right now.)

Bussing in a nightless game is a high-risk no-reward play.

So like.
I

could

.
But I really don't think I

would

.

Not after King's Landing especially.

To win a scumgam requires power-efforting and bussing requires power-efforting to give a

chance

at winning. It's muc heasier to defend buddies than to bus and hope YOUR vote which was a bus was more town than any of the OTHER voters (when it often isn't).

[Cephrir]

that's nice but everyone bussed them so who cares

[Cephrir]

VOTE: cephrir

Babe?

ok whatever idc

Cephrir doesn't care guys

it's what happens when i get ragged on a lot

go ahead

[furtiveglance]

Bussing in a nightless game is a high-risk no-reward play.

So like.
I could.
But I really don't think I would.

I agree with this premise. But who here could be mafia

without

having bussed?

[Aisa]

furtive, do you think it's mastina and if so can you explain why here or in the Pantry?
I appreciate everyone's replies, mastina I haven't read yours in full yet, but I will soon and I will reply to you.

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: mastina

[furtiveglance]

that's nice but everyone bussed them so who cares

yeah. I'm gonna do a rundown of everyone soon. Maybe after this vote so it's slightly less work for me

[furtiveglance]

furtive, do you think it's mastina and if so can you explain why here or in the Pantry?
I appreciate everyone's replies, mastina I haven't read yours in full yet, but I will soon and I will reply to you.

I think it's mastina or Cephrir