Open 871 - The Haunted Village | Postgame

[PenguinPower]

[Kaito Momota]

I feel like being obstinate with my read on bianco and continuing to increase in volume until something changes

Bianco is very likely scum and I'm willing to bet my marbles on it.

I feel confident about this as I believe his behavior is highly indicative of scum. I've gestured about it and I've voted him but I still feel like I'm not being listened to. I need a way to curb my own frustration before it turns into resentment.

Now I'm not telling you that my word is gospel. I'm not saying that my choice is the only one that matters, but I feel the best I could do in this situation is be forthright. There's a lot of it being D1 but this is actually the perfect time to nail unanticipated scum.

OK, enough prefacing this.

I think that bianco's verbiage as put himself is telling.

It was telling when I said something before and it's telling now. I believe that Bianco's speech does not translate into a curious townie who is considering all the options, rather a scum who is weighing on every possibility. All bianco has done is retell events.

Bianco only does what is required.

If you go look at his walls and the conclusions you can reach is that his wall was made from anything other than requirement then get your head on straight. Go look at it even on a skim. That's a wall made by scum who is getting by on the merit of effort. A few formatting and specifics is enough to whet people's appetite? His analysis is bone dry. Even himself doesn't seem particularly interested.

Bianco's motivations are lacking.

Town has a responsibility to read other players and determine their alignment. Scum pretend to do this. Interaction happens as this is a text-based game. Not exactly philosophical there but I believe he is pretending. I believe this as his own responsibilities entirely are dependent on other players. Look at how many times bianco has either 1) Responded to someone 2) Clarified a point made from someone else. You should not be shocked to see this makes up most if not all of his posts outside of his "wall."

His perspective remains to be limited by choice.

Bianco was given ample time to determine how he feels about Kyoko with a direct interaction. He instead made surprise! a few observations and called it good. He limits his perspective because there is a possibilty of saying too much.

This post convinced me; I think the bolded parts are all correct and indicative of mafia. I guess the +- point system review is neat but not impossible to do as mafia.

VOTE: biancospino

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: bianco

[Wednesday Addams]

why are you sus on kaito

88 is 3 quite neutral takes and something I'd expect to come from scum because it doesn't take strong stances wrt other players

Spoiler: Weds

Temple game was more about your predecessor, but I mean that your tone here is similar to there

I'm the same guy and that's like my tone. Wanna talk about temple game for a quick second? I replaced into a nightless nightmare with scum team practically conceding in scumchat. I put my funny hat and tried to have fun in it, I didn't have a plan or really tried swinging votes in another direction. Here I might be spamming nonsense just the same but I'm working the game as I do it. Also this is the first game I play from the start since my hiatus, the other 3 completed games I replaced in. More importantly, I want to win this particular game real bad, so I'm doing my thing.

Didn't mean to take a jab at you, I know the worst made himself obvious in that game though, and there was very little I could do to sway y'all from killing me.

I didn't realise all your completed games were replacement games, like I said in another game I thought you were an alt for a bit. I also really want to win this game, because I recently made a wiki page and my winrate is terrible. Besides, no deadlines for a month so...no work for the next week or two lol. Reading that post again I'm thinking that maybe I didn't say correctly what my problem was - it wasn't just 'level 1 thinking' or whatever but that you seemed to approaching the entire game in a really charitable and forgiving way, which doesn't match up with the towngame I saw in NY Dance Party. But I haven't seen you enter a completed game before so maybe it is style.

My vote isn't fixed on you, which it would be if I was really sure I was onto something. I haven't seen enough of everyone here to get a real feel for the game, but out of the players that have posted I'm probably most sus on Wednesday and Kaito so far. Saira (?) seems like quite a sharp player so one to keep an eye on.

Why are you suss on me?

Omgus on Gimli, and your entire ISO (until now) is about them apart from one alt-related post

Omgussing is nia for me but to refer to my vote as an “omguss” is inaccurate. I thought his vote on me was surfacey and not really based on much. I’m also in general - especially early game focused more on people either pushing me/voting me for what I think aren’t good reasons because you really don’t have a lot more to go on.

I mean yeah I get that reaction, I literally said the same thing. But if I look at the game pre-flipping Gimli as town then your vote looks bad, which is somewhat obvious.

P.S. yeah I think I know your main!

@furtive why did you make this post? Iirc Gimli was never even in any danger? And if that hypothetically had even happened why would my vote have looked bad? I guess I don’t understand the point of this post?

[Wednesday Addams]

VOTE: bianco

meh

[Marashu]

VC and prods in a couple hours - been a hectic couple days at work

[Gimli]

ISO'd bianco and agree it's a fine day 1 elimination

[Gimli]

I think since a good number of players are coming around on bianco, we should force him to hardclaim.

[Kaito Momota]

Mafia have a roleblocker and a rolecop, so if we make people claim VT and then let them live we narrow down their actions and make it more likely to hit

[Save The Dragons]

Are you suggesting we just kill bianco

[Kaito Momota]

I am suggesting that we at least exercise caution with claiming too early and then not having it go through

[Save The Dragons]

But how do you propose we proceed then

[Kaito Momota]

with caution

[furtiveglance]

why are you sus on kaito

88 is 3 quite neutral takes and something I'd expect to come from scum because it doesn't take strong stances wrt other players

Spoiler: Weds

Temple game was more about your predecessor, but I mean that your tone here is similar to there

I'm the same guy and that's like my tone. Wanna talk about temple game for a quick second? I replaced into a nightless nightmare with scum team practically conceding in scumchat. I put my funny hat and tried to have fun in it, I didn't have a plan or really tried swinging votes in another direction. Here I might be spamming nonsense just the same but I'm working the game as I do it. Also this is the first game I play from the start since my hiatus, the other 3 completed games I replaced in. More importantly, I want to win this particular game real bad, so I'm doing my thing.

Didn't mean to take a jab at you, I know the worst made himself obvious in that game though, and there was very little I could do to sway y'all from killing me.

I didn't realise all your completed games were replacement games, like I said in another game I thought you were an alt for a bit. I also really want to win this game, because I recently made a wiki page and my winrate is terrible. Besides, no deadlines for a month so...no work for the next week or two lol. Reading that post again I'm thinking that maybe I didn't say correctly what my problem was - it wasn't just 'level 1 thinking' or whatever but that you seemed to approaching the entire game in a really charitable and forgiving way, which doesn't match up with the towngame I saw in NY Dance Party. But I haven't seen you enter a completed game before so maybe it is style.

My vote isn't fixed on you, which it would be if I was really sure I was onto something. I haven't seen enough of everyone here to get a real feel for the game, but out of the players that have posted I'm probably most sus on Wednesday and Kaito so far. Saira (?) seems like quite a sharp player so one to keep an eye on.

Why are you suss on me?

Omgus on Gimli, and your entire ISO (until now) is about them apart from one alt-related post

Omgussing is nia for me but to refer to my vote as an “omguss” is inaccurate. I thought his vote on me was surfacey and not really based on much. I’m also in general - especially early game focused more on people either pushing me/voting me for what I think aren’t good reasons because you really don’t have a lot more to go on.

I mean yeah I get that reaction, I literally said the same thing. But if I look at the game pre-flipping Gimli as town then your vote looks bad, which is somewhat obvious.

P.S. yeah I think I know your main!

@furtive why did you make this post? Iirc Gimli was never even in any danger? And if that hypothetically had even happened why would my vote have looked bad? I guess I don’t understand the point of this post?

I was probably a bit inaccurate with my wording - I should have said that I was coming round to a townread on Gimli at the time, and so your vote (and progression, which was a large part of your ISO) on him looked bad to me. But now I think it's just a style thing.

Regarding bianco and claiming...they just said they were going V/LA. More importantly, I don't think this is a good wagon. Kaito/STD probably the worst votes on it.

[Save The Dragons]

with caution

The problem is you could just be throwing out LAMIST language but since you don't actually have a plan to proceed with caution what purpose does your post serve?

[Gimli]

Let's cautiously kill bianco while he is v/la and can't defend himself

[Gimli]

Do we think we have enough for a gameday? I think mostly everyone had their say and whatnot, and finally there's a good case against someone who I agree might be posting like a wolf here.

Furtive do you want to hard defend bianco? Are you strong townreading him?

[Marashu]

Official Vote Count 1.05

Elimination

biancospino

(5): Saihara Shuichi, PenguinPower, Kaito Momota, Save The Dragons, Wednesday Addams

Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu

(3): Maki Harukawa, biancospino, furtiveglance

PenguinPower

(1): Gimli

Wednesday Addams

(1): Kyoko Kirigiri

Not_Mafia

(1): Not_Mafia

furtiveglance

(1): Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu

Save the Dragons

(1): Kokichi Oma

Deadline:

(expired on 2023-01-29 20:03:58).

Mod notes:

• With 13 players alive, 7 votes are required for elimination.
  
• biancospino V/LA until Jan 28
  
• Prodding Not_Mafia

[Gimli]

Omg he is e-2

Do we kill him? It can be fun it can be memes

[Gimli]

"biancospino was eliminated he was a town sorcerer"

[Save The Dragons]

Don't let your memes be dreams

But if you vote, not_mafia is going to appear like a grim reaper

[Gimli]

Ok

I choose fun

Sorry bianco

VOTE: biancospino

NM opening his prod message in 2 minutes and hammering

[Gimli]

First unvote is a Debbie downer

[Save The Dragons]

He will come out of the shadows swinging his hammer like a scythe howling like a banshee as he swings it down over the head of his unsuspecting victim to carry him away to the depths of hell

[Save The Dragons]

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