Open 872 | Citadel Conflict | Postgame

[Herta]

So two of elements, rad rat, meg are scum.

Actually I got this wrong I think.

[Herta]

The original palace was either two scum or the original court was two scum.

If the original court was two scum then both rad rat and elements were scum. Elements swapping out would be the scum in that case.

If the original palace was two scum then two of nona, taly, meg were scum. Meg swapping out would be the scum in that case.

Is that correct?

[Radical Rat]

The original palace was either two scum or the original court was two scum.

If the original court was two scum then both rad rat and elements were scum. Elements swapping out would be the scum in that case.

If the original palace was two scum then two of nona, taly, meg were scum. Meg swapping out would be the scum in that case.

Is that correct?

You're still assuming two scum were somewhere, which we don't actually know. If they already had one scum in each location, they could have just swapped between two scum members, in which case they'd probably be hoping to push exactly this idea that one of the swap has to be Town.

[Radical Rat]

The only thing that's completely off the table is a Town/Town swap, because Meg is mechanically confirmed to be scum.

[Herta]

The only thing that's completely off the table is a Town/Town swap, because Meg is mechanically confirmed to be scum.

Not in an objective sense to anyone but you if you're town.

[Herta]

The original palace was either two scum or the original court was two scum.

If the original court was two scum then both rad rat and elements were scum. Elements swapping out would be the scum in that case.

If the original palace was two scum then two of nona, taly, meg were scum. Meg swapping out would be the scum in that case.

Is that correct?

You're still assuming two scum were somewhere, which we don't actually know. If they already had one scum in each location, they could have just swapped between two scum members, in which case they'd probably be hoping to push exactly this idea that one of the swap has to be Town.

That's what I was getting out. I wasn't taking into account a scum for scum swap. I hadn't considered it. So that helps.

[Nona1510]

Insert flavour later

Day 2 Commencement (Court)

Not Voting

-

Bellaphant

, Radical Rat, MegAzumarill

Day 2 Commencement (Dungeon)

Not Voting

- Doctor Drew, Farren, Herta

Day 2 Commencement (Palace)

Not Voting

- Elements, Nona1510, Taly

Notes

• The combined mod ISO is here.
  
• Elements was swapped with MegAzumarill.
  
• Bellaphant is confirmed to be a
  Devotee

  .

The

Day

concludes in (expired on 2023-02-11 08:10:00).

Interesting and booyah to all you doubters, told ya I’d be proven town.

[Nona1510]

Wait, what does the swapping mean?

It means i'm with you and rat now and elements is with taly/nona.

So that means I was wrong on Elements then right?

[Nona1510]

Insert flavour later

Day 2 Commencement (Court)

Not Voting

-

Bellaphant

, Radical Rat, MegAzumarill

Day 2 Commencement (Dungeon)

Not Voting

- Doctor Drew, Farren, Herta

Day 2 Commencement (Palace)

Not Voting

- Elements, Nona1510, Taly

Notes

• The combined mod ISO is here.
  
• Elements was swapped with MegAzumarill.
  
• Bellaphant is confirmed to be a
  Devotee

  .

The

Day

concludes in (expired on 2023-02-11 08:10:00).

Interesting and booyah to all you doubters, told ya I’d be proven town.

Wait does that mean Rat’s scum then?

[Nona1510]

If Rat’s scum, you all should be thanking me then. So Meg’s IC now with Bella correct?

[Doctor Drew]

I might be missing something, but how are you proven town?

[Nona1510]

I mean why swap town for town?

A town for town swap is impossible because Meg is scum and was swapped. It unfortunately doesn't say anything about Elements though, because Elements could still either be Town or Scum.

I don’t understand, doesn’t her being swapped make her IC?

[Nona1510]

I might be missing something, but how are you proven town?

Are you pretending to be dense or something? Meg was switched and I’m town and it likely mean Taly’s probably town as well. Scum needs to have one member in all three locations. So the fact that a switch happened means we we’re probably all town unless I’m completely misunderstanding the setup.

[Nona1510]

Rat how is Meg scum? Wouldn’t there have been no switch in the Palace then? Like why wouldn’t scum!Meg stay in the Palace and try to mislim me?

[Radical Rat]

The switch is forced. Scum cannot choose not to switch.

Meg is scum because Bella is IC and I'm Town. The setup demands there be one scum in each group. It can't be me because that's me, it can't be Bella because she's IC, so it has to be Meg.

[Nona1510]

During Night 1, the Insurrectionists must switch the locations of 2 CADETS such that each location contains exactly one Insurrectionist as well as choosing one cadet at the Court to be confirmed as a Devotee.
The final location assignments will be made public.

So Rat explain to me how this makes Meg scum?

[Radical Rat]

The switch is forced. Scum cannot choose not to switch.

Meg is scum because Bella is IC and I'm Town. The setup demands there be one scum in each group. It can't be me because that's me, it can't be Bella because she's IC, so it has to be Meg.

[Nona1510]

The switch is forced. Scum cannot choose not to switch.

Meg is scum because Bella is IC and I'm Town. The setup demands there be one scum in each group. It can't be me because that's me, it can't be Bella because she's IC, so it has to be Meg.

Well I’m town and Elements got switched to the Palace and unless you think Taly’s scum, I don’t understand why you’re townreading them.

[Nona1510]

The switch is forced. Scum cannot choose not to switch.

Meg is scum because Bella is IC and I'm Town. The setup demands there be one scum in each group. It can't be me because that's me, it can't be Bella because she's IC, so it has to be Meg.

But scum doesn’t need to switch from the Palace. Like scum!Meg could have stayed put and pushed a miselim on me but if you’re town, then I guess she’d have to be but why should I believe you over her?

None of this is making sense to me.

[Nona1510]

During Night 1, the Insurrectionists must switch the locations of 2 CADETS such that each location contains exactly one Insurrectionist as well as choosing one cadet at the Court to be confirmed as a Devotee.
The final location assignments will be made public.

So Rat explain to me how this makes Meg scum?

Also Rat, why do you think Bella was confirmed over you? You were the consensus townread not Bella?

[Nona1510]

Isn't elements lock scum now? Or am I missing something?

Unless Taly is and I highly doubt that.

[MegAzumarill]

Nona you should vote Taly if you do think that their town.
Not only does it win their it also confirms you as town as scum cannot vote for another player where you are.

[Nona1510]

The original palace was either two scum or the original court was two scum.

If the original court was two scum then both rad rat and elements were scum. Elements swapping out would be the scum in that case.

If the original palace was two scum then two of nona, taly, meg were scum. Meg swapping out would be the scum in that case.

Is that correct?

You're still assuming two scum were somewhere, which we don't actually know. If they already had one scum in each location, they could have just swapped between two scum members, in which case they'd probably be hoping to push exactly this idea that one of the swap has to be Town.

I suppose that’s possible?

[MegAzumarill]

I feel like as long as we resolve two of the groups the last should be obvious so we need to hit one in the first 2. (That's because if 2 of elements/radicalrat/farren flip scum the other is basically confirmed guilty because of how farren basically forced that triple pairing to not occur IIRC)

I strongly suspect that's the scumteam as well so thats kind of nice

[Nona1510]

Nona you should vote Taly if you do think that their town.
Not only does it win their it also confirms you as town as scum cannot vote for another player where you are.

It needs to votes in any case right? What happens if Elements self-votes?

And I’m really really confused whether or not to trust you or Rat because obviously one of you has to be lying.

I’m thinking Herta could be town, he sounds really confused.