Open 872 | Citadel Conflict | Postgame

[Doctor Drew]

I might be missing something, but how are you proven town?

Are you pretending to be dense or something? Meg was switched and I’m town and it likely mean Taly’s probably town as well. Scum needs to have one member in all three locations. So the fact that a switch happened means we we’re probably all town unless I’m completely misunderstanding the setup.

You know it is possible to respond to questions without relying on insults, just a little life tip.

But I do see what you mean after I went back and looked at how there has to be a scum at each location, for some reason I didn't think that had to be the case.

Still doesn't clear you, scumMeg could have been switched with townElements because you were scum as well with Meg.

And Meg was more town read than you, which makes it a tougher choice for Bella.

Again, please someone tell me if I am mis reading or misinterpreting things.

[MegAzumarill]

Nona you should vote Taly if you do think that their town.
Not only does it win their it also confirms you as town as scum cannot vote for another player where you are.

It needs to votes in any case right? What happens if Elements self-votes?

And I’m really really confused whether or not to trust you or Rat because obviously one of you has to be lying.

I’m thinking Herta could be town, he sounds really confused.

If you vote Taly and Taly is town that is an unequivocally good thing regardless of what elements does.

[MegAzumarill]

Known Info.

Meg!Town, one of the others in palace scum - Elements is town.
Meg!Scum, one of the others in palace scum - Elements is town.
Meg!Scum, taly and nona are town. Elements is scum.
Meg!Town, taly and nona are town (my guess) - Elements is scum.

Radical Rat and I are opposite alignments.

One of Farren, drew, and Herta is scum.

Bella is town.

[Nona1510]

I feel like as long as we resolve two of the groups the last should be obvious so we need to hit one in the first 2. (That's because if 2 of elements/radicalrat/farren flip scum the other is basically confirmed guilty because of how farren basically forced that triple pairing to not occur IIRC)

I strongly suspect that's the scumteam as well so thats kind of nice

@mod can scum switch places with each other or only if a location - Palace specifically - has all town?

I think Elements is probably scum since I don’t think Taly is but since nothing changed in the dungeon, it probably means it’s just Farren, I guess? That would be my guess for the dungeon.

Because we know that two scum had to be originally in one place and one in the other and I think with Bella confirmed town, obviously one of Rat/Meg has to be scum.

Wait than that means two scum in dungeon then?

So one of Rat/Meg + one of Elements/Taly + one of Farren/Drew/Herta in dungeon.

I’m still trying to figure out who to believe between Meg/Rat, think Farren’s the most likely bet for scum in the dungeon and I think Taly being so upset with me and their play in general reads town to me, so I think probably Farren/Elements/?

[Herta]

Why does this sound like Dark Angel Meg.

Meg!Town, one of the others in palace scum - Elements is town.
Meg!Scum, one of the others in palace scum - Elements is town.
Meg!Scum, taly and nona are town. Elements is scum.
Meg!Town, taly and nona are town (my guess) - Elements is scum.

I'm not sure what this means. Can you write it in sentences?

[Nona1510]

I might be missing something, but how are you proven town?

Are you pretending to be dense or something? Meg was switched and I’m town and it likely mean Taly’s probably town as well. Scum needs to have one member in all three locations. So the fact that a switch happened means we we’re probably all town unless I’m completely misunderstanding the setup.

You know it is possible to respond to questions without relying on insults, just a little life tip.

But I do see what you mean after I went back and looked at how there has to be a scum at each location, for some reason I didn't think that had to be the case.

Still doesn't clear you, scumMeg could have been switched with townElements because you were scum as well with Meg.

And Meg was more town read than you, which makes it a tougher choice for Bella.

Again, please someone tell me if I am mis reading or misinterpreting things.

You are. If I’m scum, why is there even a switch? I know I’m not obviously. I’m just wondering if Rat’s on the level, Elements would have definitely been toast at court, unlike Meg. If I’m right on dungeon, perhaps scum was okay with losing Farren?

[MegAzumarill]

Why does this sound like Dark Angel Meg.

Meg!Town, one of the others in palace scum - Elements is town.
Meg!Scum, one of the others in palace scum - Elements is town.
Meg!Scum, taly and nona are town. Elements is scum.
Meg!Town, taly and nona are town (my guess) - Elements is scum.

I'm not sure what this means. Can you write it in sentences?

Because this is Elo Meg that knows exactly how they want the day to go down. Town or scum here I work very similarly.
I'm absolutely sure on one scum (rat, mechanical), very confident on another (Elements), and the third is implicated by the other two (Farren).

I'm in persuasion mode one could say.

[Herta]

Okay but I still don't understand what you wrote. I'm assuming there should be some if thens in there, but I'm not sure where.

[MegAzumarill]

I might be missing something, but how are you proven town?

Are you pretending to be dense or something? Meg was switched and I’m town and it likely mean Taly’s probably town as well. Scum needs to have one member in all three locations. So the fact that a switch happened means we we’re probably all town unless I’m completely misunderstanding the setup.

You know it is possible to respond to questions without relying on insults, just a little life tip.

But I do see what you mean after I went back and looked at how there has to be a scum at each location, for some reason I didn't think that had to be the case.

Still doesn't clear you, scumMeg could have been switched with townElements because you were scum as well with Meg.

And Meg was more town read than you, which makes it a tougher choice for Bella.

Again, please someone tell me if I am mis reading or misinterpreting things.

You are. If I’m scum, why is there even a switch? I know I’m not obviously. I’m just wondering if Rat’s on the level, Elements would have definitely been toast at court, unlike Meg. If I’m right on dungeon, perhaps scum was okay with losing Farren?

The idea they are saying is that if you were mafia, and I was mafia, one of us HAS to switch. There can only be 1 scum in each area.
So If I am mafia:
Since I am more townread than you (their words), the area I am in I'm more likely to win. So they switched me to Court in order to make Bella think I'm town and so mafia would win by voting radical rat off.

Which we both know isn't the situation but outside of us and mafia noone else can know that for sure, so neither of us are cleared.

[MegAzumarill]

Okay but I still don't understand what you wrote. I'm assuming there should be some if thens in there, but I'm not sure where.

Not really conclusive but
There's one scum in
(Radical Rat, MegAzumarill)
(Herta, Farren, Doctor Drew)
(Taly, Elements, Nona)

And any combination between them is possible.

[Nona1510]

Why does this sound like Dark Angel Meg.

Meg!Town, one of the others in palace scum - Elements is town.
Meg!Scum, one of the others in palace scum - Elements is town.
Meg!Scum, taly and nona are town. Elements is scum.
Meg!Town, taly and nona are town (my guess) - Elements is scum.

I'm not sure what this means. Can you write it in sentences?

Rat, why does scum!Meg switch into Court if Elements is town? That part of your analysis makes absolutely no sense to me.

What it looks like to me is that Elements probably needed to be switched because they would have gotten hammered in the court.

I don’t think Elements survives over Rat and of course Bella but Rat, why would Bella have been confirmed over you? Wouldn’t it be so much easier for scum!Meg to go 1v1 with Bella over you?

[Herta]

Okay but I still don't understand what you wrote. I'm assuming there should be some if thens in there, but I'm not sure where.

Not really conclusive but
There's one scum in
(Radical Rat, MegAzumarill)
(Herta, Farren, Doctor Drew)
(Taly, Elements, Nona)

And any combination between them is possible.

I understand the conclusion. That's the setup.

I don't understand this:

Meg!Town, one of the others in palace scum - Elements is town.
Meg!Scum, one of the others in palace scum - Elements is town.
Meg!Scum, taly and nona are town. Elements is scum.
Meg!Town, taly and nona are town (my guess) - Elements is scum.

[MegAzumarill]

Why does this sound like Dark Angel Meg.

Meg!Town, one of the others in palace scum - Elements is town.
Meg!Scum, one of the others in palace scum - Elements is town.
Meg!Scum, taly and nona are town. Elements is scum.
Meg!Town, taly and nona are town (my guess) - Elements is scum.

I'm not sure what this means. Can you write it in sentences?

Rat, why does scum!Meg switch into Court if Elements is town? That part of your analysis makes absolutely no sense to me.

What it looks like to me is that Elements probably needed to be switched because they would have gotten hammered in the court.

I don’t think Elements survives over Rat and of course Bella but Rat, why would Bella have been confirmed over you? Wouldn’t it be so much easier for scum!Meg to go 1v1 with Bella over you?

If Elements is town, and I am scum, I would be forced to switch into the court as there would be three town-aligned players there. The swap must leave exactly 1 mafioso in each group.

[MegAzumarill]

Okay but I still don't understand what you wrote. I'm assuming there should be some if thens in there, but I'm not sure where.

Not really conclusive but
There's one scum in
(Radical Rat, MegAzumarill)
(Herta, Farren, Doctor Drew)
(Taly, Elements, Nona)

And any combination between them is possible.

I understand the conclusion. That's the setup.

I don't understand this:

Meg!Town, one of the others in palace scum - Elements is town.
Meg!Scum, one of the others in palace scum - Elements is town.
Meg!Scum, taly and nona are town. Elements is scum.
Meg!Town, taly and nona are town (my guess) - Elements is scum.

It's saying the possibilities of TvT swaps, TvS Swaps, and SVS swaps based on taly's and nona's alignments which didn't conclude anything. Not really relevant on reflection.

[Radical Rat]

During Night 1, the Insurrectionists must switch the locations of 2 CADETS such that each location contains exactly one Insurrectionist as well as choosing one cadet at the Court to be confirmed as a Devotee.
The final location assignments will be made public.

So Rat explain to me how this makes Meg scum?

Also Rat, why do you think Bella was confirmed over you? You were the consensus townread not Bella?

Meg was also a consensus townread, why Bella over them?

[Nona1510]

Why does this sound like Dark Angel Meg.

Meg!Town, one of the others in palace scum - Elements is town.
Meg!Scum, one of the others in palace scum - Elements is town.
Meg!Scum, taly and nona are town. Elements is scum.
Meg!Town, taly and nona are town (my guess) - Elements is scum.

I'm not sure what this means. Can you write it in sentences?

Because this is Elo Meg that knows exactly how they want the day to go down. Town or scum here I work very similarly.
I'm absolutely sure on one scum (rat, mechanical), very confident on another (Elements), and the third is implicated by the other two (Farren).

I'm in persuasion mode one could say.

If this is all true, then I’m town hero and I probably deserve a moment of brilliance scummie for voting Palace.

But that’s how it looks like to me, because I don’t see why you choose to go 1v1 with Rat over Bella but I think Elements is probably the scum in the Palace and I like Meg encouraging me to vote for Taly.

[Taly]

VOTE: Taly

[Nona1510]

During Night 1, the Insurrectionists must switch the locations of 2 CADETS such that each location contains exactly one Insurrectionist as well as choosing one cadet at the Court to be confirmed as a Devotee.
The final location assignments will be made public.

So Rat explain to me how this makes Meg scum?

Also Rat, why do you think Bella was confirmed over you? You were the consensus townread not Bella?

Meg was also a consensus townread, why Bella over them?

I don’t know why scum would confirm Bella over either of you but point taken.

[Taly]

I want Elements and Noma to state their reservations, if any, to me being voted in Palace.

[MegAzumarill]

During Night 1, the Insurrectionists must switch the locations of 2 CADETS such that each location contains exactly one Insurrectionist as well as choosing one cadet at the Court to be confirmed as a Devotee.
The final location assignments will be made public.

So Rat explain to me how this makes Meg scum?

Also Rat, why do you think Bella was confirmed over you? You were the consensus townread not Bella?

Meg was also a consensus townread, why Bella over them?

It's because mafia thinks they have better odds convincing bella to townread you. But you knew that already.

[Doctor Drew]

I might be missing something, but how are you proven town?

Are you pretending to be dense or something? Meg was switched and I’m town and it likely mean Taly’s probably town as well. Scum needs to have one member in all three locations. So the fact that a switch happened means we we’re probably all town unless I’m completely misunderstanding the setup.

You know it is possible to respond to questions without relying on insults, just a little life tip.

But I do see what you mean after I went back and looked at how there has to be a scum at each location, for some reason I didn't think that had to be the case.

Still doesn't clear you, scumMeg could have been switched with townElements because you were scum as well with Meg.

And Meg was more town read than you, which makes it a tougher choice for Bella.

Again, please someone tell me if I am mis reading or misinterpreting things.

You are. If I’m scum, why is there even a switch? I know I’m not obviously. I’m just wondering if Rat’s on the level, Elements would have definitely been toast at court, unlike Meg. If I’m right on dungeon, perhaps scum was okay with losing Farren?

Because you could have been together with scumMeg, and since there has to be a scum at every location it would mean moving scumMeg or scumNona with either Rat or elements. I been thinking about this from a few angles and I believe scum are conceding the palace since Taly is most people's main town read(and if they are scum, then tip of the hat and very well played). And putting Meg in the Court gives them a fighting chance in a 1v1 with Rats, more so then if they switched you to the Court Nona.

The real decision that they don't have as much control over is here in the dungeon, I believe Herta and I both believe it to be Farren. I just think that scum hope that Herta is not reading me as obvTown(which would make sense why Nona was going out of their way yesterDay trying to make me look scummy).

I really think this is what happened.

And as stated before, if you so sure of Taly being town, why are you not voting Taly? Seems like the onvious vote imo.

Prte Edit: And some of Meg's post here makes me more confident they are scum, they seem to really know the mechanics really are trying to be obvTown helper(which comes off a bit contrived given my current theory).

Basically, I could see Meg as the evil smart mastermind lol.

[Nona1510]

VOTE: Taly

Taly, opinions on the gamestate, please. Who do you think you were wrong on Rat or Meg?

[Taly]

I want Elements and Noma to state their reservations, if any, to me being voted in Palace.

I will not give reads on either of you until you reply.

[MegAzumarill]

I might be missing something, but how are you proven town?

Are you pretending to be dense or something? Meg was switched and I’m town and it likely mean Taly’s probably town as well. Scum needs to have one member in all three locations. So the fact that a switch happened means we we’re probably all town unless I’m completely misunderstanding the setup.

You know it is possible to respond to questions without relying on insults, just a little life tip.

But I do see what you mean after I went back and looked at how there has to be a scum at each location, for some reason I didn't think that had to be the case.

Still doesn't clear you, scumMeg could have been switched with townElements because you were scum as well with Meg.

And Meg was more town read than you, which makes it a tougher choice for Bella.

Again, please someone tell me if I am mis reading or misinterpreting things.

You are. If I’m scum, why is there even a switch? I know I’m not obviously. I’m just wondering if Rat’s on the level, Elements would have definitely been toast at court, unlike Meg. If I’m right on dungeon, perhaps scum was okay with losing Farren?

Because you could have been together with scumMeg, and since there has to be a scum at every location it would mean moving scumMeg or scumNona with either Rat or elements. I been thinking about this from a few angles and I believe scum are conceding the palace since Taly is most people's main town read(and if they are scum, then tip of the hat and very well played). And putting Meg in the Court gives them a fighting chance in a 1v1 with Rats, more so then if they switched you to the Court Nona.

The real decision that they don't have as much control over is here in the dungeon, I believe Herta and I both believe it to be Farren. I just think that scum hope that Herta is not reading me as obvTown(which would make sense why Nona was going out of their way yesterDay trying to make me look scummy).

I really think this is what happened.

And as stated before, if you so sure of Taly being town, why are you not voting Taly? Seems like the onvious vote imo.

Prte Edit: And some of Meg's post here makes me more confident they are scum, they seem to really know the mechanics really are trying to be obvTown helper(which comes off a bit contrived given my current theory).

Basically, I could see Meg as the evil smart mastermind lol.

Thanks

Way off base but thanks

[Doctor Drew]

Meg, which location would you wanted settled first?