In post 445, Gimli wrote:
I fail to see how herta not playing at all, not making a single read, dropping the game and replacing out is scummy.
Yes, it has been a bad wagon, who's the worst vote on there?
I have yet to investigate it. what I read from both aristeia and datisi are things I dislike. I liked your early push on herta back on page 5? calling her single post a 'lurkerscum post' that you can't even pursue for reasons.
In post 452, Gimli wrote:
@myko remember you had a problem with aureal's 'going with the motions' post?
what do you think of aristeia this game? do you think 'going with the motion' is a fair assessment of her game so far?
I think it's different. Aristeia is reading the game and making choices. Choosing to sheep Datisi, in a way choosing to vote Andante, choosing to vote an inactive player. These are the easiest choices to make in most cases and bad imo. I think the Datisi one could be premeditated. Come into the game and wonder how you are going to play it as scum, you might think you are just going to play off your relation with Datisi and let it flow from there. I could see that.
I still have the whole "he's not posting and that's the reaction" in my head. I.. just don't understand what kind of mind that comes from. And what alignement that mind would have to have. I think she's played bad, I'm not sure she's scum. Could very well be, it was in my top two worst votes on that wagon, yes.
Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.
In post 445, Gimli wrote:
I fail to see how herta not playing at all, not making a single read, dropping the game and replacing out is scummy.
Yes, it has been a bad wagon, who's the worst vote on there?
I have yet to investigate it. what I read from both aristeia and datisi are things I dislike. I liked your early push on herta back on page 5? calling her single post a 'lurkerscum post' that you can't even pursue for reasons.
I think it is fairly obvious there are much easier paths for me to take this game than pushing for herta's elimination myself.
for example, aureal's wagon which myko pushed to e-1 without my vote or andante's wagon or myko's wagon.
even sheeping alisae and voting datisi would be easier than pushing herta.
being a mafia is mostly a game of managing perception, i can just yeet any of the above without getting my hands dirty and keeping a lurker slot like herta as a potential mislim later down the line. i do not really need to push him here on d1 and draw attention to myself.
In post 452, Gimli wrote:
@myko remember you had a problem with aureal's 'going with the motions' post?
what do you think of aristeia this game? do you think 'going with the motion' is a fair assessment of her game so far?
I think it's different. Aristeia is reading the game and making choices. Choosing to sheep Datisi, in a way choosing to vote Andante, choosing to vote an inactive player. These are the easiest choices to make in most cases and bad imo. I think the Datisi one could be premeditated. Come into the game and wonder how you are going to play it as scum, you might think you are just going to play off your relation with Datisi and let it flow from there. I could see that.
I still have the whole "he's not posting and that's the reaction" in my head. I.. just don't understand what kind of mind that comes from. And what alignement that mind would have to have. I think she's played bad, I'm not sure she's scum. Could very well be, it was in my top two worst votes on that wagon, yes.
there are only two votes on gimlis wagon so i am not sure why he is "thinking" here
In post 83, Alisae wrote:
Is there a reason why I would want to put it in hammer range right now? I don't think I need to use my vote to add to the pressure at the moment.
Because if you don't pressure someone what are you doing. And herta is there as a RVS, they'll get cold feet (or they don't) and it'll be interesting to see what they do. And if someone quickhammers, that'd be very convenient too, wouldn't it. Tomorrow would be easy.
So yes, I don't see why you'd wait. Risk/reward is on your side.
See, now look what you've done Herta gets to make a lurkerscum post and doesn't have to respond to the fact that he's on a E-1 wagon. And I don't even get to call him out for it!
@ari this is the push myko is making that I'm referring to
pedit: IDRC what you push, I care about how you're pushing things, I care that you're not being towny this gameday and your stances are too safe.
i mean it is pretty simple what I said about herta. i think he has a tendency to not post when he is scum and i think if he was town he would not have kept his vote on his rvs as it got run up. i think he is usually more interested in the game when he is town and interacts with people more.
if i am wrong and he just happened to decide this game to not play as a townie then it just happens that this was a game he chose not to play.
i think my thoughts are fairly simple and easy to understand. i dont think mykonian has any trouble understanding them.
my read is that datisi is a townie who is exasperated with alisae and cant make up his mind whether she is scum shitpushing him or townie being unreasonable.
In post 83, Alisae wrote:
Is there a reason why I would want to put it in hammer range right now? I don't think I need to use my vote to add to the pressure at the moment.
Because if you don't pressure someone what are you doing. And herta is there as a RVS, they'll get cold feet (or they don't) and it'll be interesting to see what they do. And if someone quickhammers, that'd be very convenient too, wouldn't it. Tomorrow would be easy.
So yes, I don't see why you'd wait. Risk/reward is on your side.
See, now look what you've done Herta gets to make a lurkerscum post and doesn't have to respond to the fact that he's on a E-1 wagon. And I don't even get to call him out for it!
@ari this is the push myko is making that I'm referring to
pedit: IDRC what you push, I care about how you're pushing things, I care that you're not being towny this gameday and your stances are too safe.
what's your read on datisi?
that is not a push
a push is a vote and getting people to vote someone
making a casual comment about how someone is lurking without pressuring them in anyway is not a push
i mean it is pretty simple what I said about herta. i think he has a tendency to not post when he is scum and i think if he was town he would not have kept his vote on his rvs as it got run up. i think he is usually more interested in the game when he is town and interacts with people more.
if i am wrong and he just happened to decide this game to not play as a townie then it just happens that this was a game he chose not to play.
i think my thoughts are fairly simple and easy to understand. i dont think mykonian has any trouble understanding them.
okay to the first paragraph.
to the second one: I don't think herta 'decided' not to play. I think herta has a RL thing that's keeping them from playing, as they literally said so in their three post ISO:
In post 111, Herta wrote:
I found myself busy. I'll try to catch up this evening.
Gambler's fallacy says andante is town.
In post 363, Herta wrote:
I"m not informed as to whatever the informed thing is. But I have to read to see.
I'm having a procedure done this week so will get into this when I can.
vla through 26 Feb
dropping this game wasn't AI. are you scumreading their content?
as to caring what you push: you're pushing the game's low hanging fruit that I know is a townie. there are many reasons why you'd do that as scum, one of them is that it's much more convenient to push someone who won't push back. so I don't wanna read into the push itself either way. I care about why you're doing it. I see herta's content and see no evidence of scumminess, and for now I do not buy that you thought otherwise.
either way I expect you to update your read on my slot through my own posting and not your herta meta read so let's see how this develops.
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i mean it is pretty simple what I said about herta. i think he has a tendency to not post when he is scum and i think if he was town he would not have kept his vote on his rvs as it got run up. i think he is usually more interested in the game when he is town and interacts with people more.
if i am wrong and he just happened to decide this game to not play as a townie then it just happens that this was a game he chose not to play.
i think my thoughts are fairly simple and easy to understand. i dont think mykonian has any trouble understanding them.
okay to the first paragraph.
to the second one: I don't think herta 'decided' not to play. I think herta has a RL thing that's keeping them from playing, as they literally said so in their three post ISO:
In post 111, Herta wrote:
I found myself busy. I'll try to catch up this evening.
Gambler's fallacy says andante is town.
In post 363, Herta wrote:
I"m not informed as to whatever the informed thing is. But I have to read to see.
I'm having a procedure done this week so will get into this when I can.
vla through 26 Feb
dropping this game wasn't AI. are you scumreading their content?
as to caring what you push: you're pushing the game's low hanging fruit that I know is a townie. there are many reasons why you'd do that as scum, one of them is that it's much more convenient to push someone who won't push back. so I don't wanna read into the push itself either way. I care about why you're doing it. I see herta's content and see no evidence of scumminess, and for now I do not buy that you thought otherwise.
either way I expect you to update your read on my slot through my own posting and not your herta meta read so let's see how this develops.
your own posting is to omgus at me and not really develop anywhere else
it looks antispewy to me because I am town.
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In post 466, Aristeia wrote:
"not being townie" and "your stances are too safe"
these are just catchphrases and not an accurate assessment of my play.
I an pushing the person I believe to be scum. it is not "safe".
it is much "safer" play to simply tag along with someone else's push such as Myko's on Aureal, Alisae's on Datisi or Datisi's on Andante.
I expect much more from you than just your push on herta. I don't see eagerness to solve. right now talking to you I see you haven't even tried to update a read from a poster with 3 posts (which even if your meta read was 100% herta's scum game it could still be NAI due to RL, that happens to literally everybody) to his replacement who produced a lot more content and is throwing it all in your direction.
In post 457, Aristeia wrote:
I think it is fairly obvious there are much easier paths for me to take this game than pushing for herta's elimination myself.
You were picking a fight with someone who wasn't talking back.
In post 469, Aristeia wrote:
also this hertas play doesnt happen in a vacuum
as other slots get townier to me - the slot that isnt posting gets scummier - there are only two scum in the game and they have to be somewhere.
Ok, this is the first time you mention it's a PoE vote, I think. It is a bit annoying that you don't feel like calling anyone out for how they post. So you have herta's slot talking now, there's stuff to investigate, go show us it's worthwhile. Gimli looks alright to me, what are you thinking?
Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.
Herta gets to make a lurkerscum post and doesn't have to respond to the fact that he's on a E-1 wagon. And I don't even get to call him out for it!