Micro 1069: Korina Runs Another GIM [Finale]

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Arr mateys.

@Looker, wdym?
Not only it was fast, it would be a bizarre and easili falsifiable fakeclaim to make if it were from scum, so I believe it's a true roleclaim. The faction may not be actually town thou, as 1775 exists, but that would cost a NK

Pe: ninja'd

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In the GIM thread. It's a 1-shot global rb (mod chooses alignment)

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Also, look at this lovely 5548:

If you roll this post, replace any non-town roles in your game with pirate roles from this page (and maybe the next). At the start of D1, the mod must post "You're all on a pirate ship, time for a fun pirate trip!" Just before N3, all players are notified that they have scurvy, and that they will die at the end of N4 unless they have a fruit in their possession by then.

The only other role I could find that triggers that mod announcement is 5550

Townie who likes Pirates of the Caribbean

Town wincon. If this role is in the game at gamestart, the mod must post "You're all on a pirate ship, time for a fun pirate trip!" at the start of D1

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Note that no roles in that page are pirate global rb. So if no Caribbean Townie exist, then furtive is town unless the roleclaim is fake

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I didn't realize there was an option where all scum are pirates and die n4. In that case yeah they probably should claim if they exist because if they don't doesn't no limming until they die win?

Also, scum may not all die.

Pirate Fruit Vendor (Pirate is your alignment. Pirates have a factional kill.)
Each night you may give target player a fruit of your choice.

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If they exist and claim now, we get a guaranteed two days of IC.

This flew over my head, but now that I notice this doesn't seem right. If there is a Caribbean claim, then furtive

may

be the mod-choice version of the global rb, since no reroll would have happened; if there is no such Caribbean Townie, then a reroll happened and then furtive could not be non-town global rb.

If we enact a policy that they must claim, we get exactly one IC in any case, and on top we may get confirmation that this is singleball. I'm also not entirely sure that there is too much to be gained from waiting until D2, since presumably nobody should be slayed tonight barring strongmen and the like

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By the way, I just asked the mod to clarify something in my role and it's even more bastard than I thought. Really it may be actually quite useful, but still I'm kind of pissed.
/rant over

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For not agreeing with Nono or for failing to clarify itself after being asked?

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I'd rather not claim before an actual massclaim
I also think massclaim (or just claiming in general) rn isn't the best idea. if it were Grander or Grandest Idea furtive would be right but roles are pure rng

@Meg, idk, I don't really think Gamma here is being weird. Reading furtive in 17 as opening the door to a massclaim is fair, and responding to that is fair

VOTE: furtive
how about no? Last time I thought your opening was wack you were scum and I think your opening is wack again

@Gamma, what do you mean exactly by

wack

? I think the first post furtive made in Haunted was of significant different nature than the first post here

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VOTE: Gamma

I don't like that opening. I don't feel like there's a lot of reasons to bring that up with almost no info.

Maybe I'm just the idiot here, but again I do not share the discomfort with Gamma.

Wrt seeing furtive as suggesting massclaim, I saw it a tiny bit but in actuality my comment against early massclaim was more to do with my talking about not claiming myself until then.

I read this as in "I may have a reason why

my

role, specifically, should not be outed unless we do a massclaim". It's reasonable, depending of what her role is.

I also am feeling furt very townie at the moment

For general vibes or for the claim?

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first thoughts, liking watson,, maybe just because he's cute)

more serious note, agree fast claim is towny,

, no time to think, meaning as non-advantageous as scum
brain off type play, imo, is town,, i know, i'm town too kek xD

I'll claim then

Town 1-shot Global Roleblocker

(I

can

stop factional kills)

Hi folks! Glad to be here!

I'll tell you right now that this is my first game in about four years. I'm gonna be rusty an probably an idiot. But hopefully I'll be a fun idiot

VOTE: Gamma

I don't like that opening. I don't feel like there's a lot of reasons to bring that up with almost no info.

I also am feeling furt very townie at the moment

explain
VOTE: aero

Added color mine.

Why are you including

I also am feeling furt very townie at the moment

in the bolded stuff you need Aero to explain? It is a fair bit hypocritical of you, since you yourself shared that opinion (you've since recanted, but

after

Aero's post). Unless your real point was the Gamma's vote, but then I don't get the need to bold also the other thing.

Tentatively VOTE: Nono

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Spoiler:

VOTE: Gamma

I don't like that opening. I don't feel like there's a lot of reasons to bring that up with almost no info.

Maybe I'm just the idiot here, but again I do not share the discomfort with Gamma.

Wrt seeing furtive as suggesting massclaim, I saw it a tiny bit but in actuality my comment against early massclaim was more to do with my talking about not claiming myself until then.

I read this as in "I may have a reason why

my

role, specifically, should not be outed unless we do a massclaim". It's reasonable, depending of what her role is.

I also am feeling furt very townie at the moment

For general vibes or for the claim?

Oh, whoops, I'm the idiot! Posted while at work, and mixed up Gamma and Meg. I didn't like meg's immediate claim there, just don't understand that right now.

Mixed up with Gamma since she was talking about a mass claim. Whoops!

Vote: Meg

Kinda gave some interesting results though, not gonna lie

I was gonna poke you for aligning yourself with furtive but this kinda changes things

How does it? Areo's stance on furtive was not altered. The only thing that changed was that they no longer are accusing you (and retroactively not so)

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ooc: also aero vote was poke, for fun, if needed explaining,, made me laugh at least)

At the cost of sounding like an ass, this just reads like you are trying to backtrack. It was barren and with no joking attached, not really top funniness

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I mean if it's a fakeclaim it's basically saying he was betting his life on there being 0 roles that either give or produce feedback at night so I'm liable to believe he is in fact a 1 shot global roleblocker.

being honest, don’t understand the above,, “betting his life on 0 feedback roles”,, you saying the existence of the role is only not valid if there is no point for it?? setup spec? first counterclaim; this is grand idea lol!!

just thinking,, whether true claim or not isn’t important,, the contents of the role is easy to excuse anyway
e.g “sorry my shot missed!” or “sorry was saving my shot”

in saying so, claiming early is not a big disadvantage for scum,, therefore stance of “towniness” is void)

There may be something I'd want to say about this, but first I need you to clarify something up which I realized I may have been reading incorrectly.

more serious note, agree fast claim is towny,, no time to think, meaning as non-advantageous as scum
brain off type play, imo, is town,, i know, i'm town too kek xD

By this you meant that furtive specifically fast-claiming is town, or that in general enacting a policy to fast-claim en masse is +EV for town? I rekon that you may have recanted that opinion, but I need clarity on what that opinion was

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VOTE: Doctor Drew

Why?

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and for the record, in the case of clarification needed,, doc vote also has (in part, true stance in progress) element of “same vein/in the same spirit”,, reflecting (ironically) him doing the same as accused,, now don’t spread wild assumptions)

@Nono, were you saying there that the Doc vote was also for fun, likewise your Aero one?
Since you now have

multi

voted Drew, if you can do that then I won't believe that was also for fun, so what made your stance progress to this exactly?

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such innocence xD

for me to ask questions now: where is all this headed?

VOTE: Doctor Drew

Why?

I mean if it's a fakeclaim it's basically saying he was betting his life on there being 0 roles that either give or produce feedback at night so I'm liable to believe he is in fact a 1 shot global roleblocker.

being honest, don’t understand the above,, “betting his life on 0 feedback roles”,, you saying the existence of the role is only not valid if there is no point for it?? setup spec? first counterclaim; this is grand idea lol!!

just thinking,, whether true claim or not isn’t important,, the contents of the role is easy to excuse anyway
e.g “sorry my shot missed!” or “sorry was saving my shot”

in saying so, claiming early is not a big disadvantage for scum,, therefore stance of “towniness” is void)

There may be something I'd want to say about this, but first I need you to clarify something up which I realized I may have been reading incorrectly.
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First of all, if you are suspect of my relationship with Drew, I'd rather you say so explicitly.

Anyway, I believe you somewhat contradicted yourself there, since you first explicitly said that fast claiming was towny in 56, and you confirmed you meant it for furtive specifically. Now, I do understand that you later changed your mind in 118, but there you are musing that the claim may me true but still not town, and on the contrary in 164 you appear to say the the claim may be excused even if false. I'm not sure I like the flipflopping.

And, by the way, I still haven't heard why you are multivoting Drew

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All I remember you talking about so far is how Gamma is a liar for using one word posts, and that's about it.

@Aero, I may be willing to jump on that. There actually isn't much to go down about tbh as you mentioned. There is also a soft defense of Nono thrown in its last posts.

VOTE: Looker
And besides, my vanity wagon on Nono isn't going anywhere

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Oh and @looker, happy scumday

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+1 for framing Drew, that slot should resolve itself, so it's probably the safest thing given that investigating them would be a waste anyway

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Do ppl want me to RB tonight?

Do we want an extra day phase? I can provide one kinda, in an unrelated way

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Pirate Cultist

Literally just cultfia, except pirate themed.

Each night you may either make someone walk the plank (nk them) or convince them to join (convert them).
Players convinced to join are given access to the pirate PT.
You cannot convince a player to join who has access to another PT already (mafia, ww, cult, alien, mason, etc)

Question: do we believe that Drew is indeed some manner of NB? If yes, and personally I do, then if there's been a Pirate retheme this is pretty much the only Pirate in range that could work unless I've missed something.

In that case could not really resolve them much by waiting, and the scumteam would obviously not want to flip them either.

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I meant Neighborizer

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Also I looked it up, a certain someone in this game provided my role haha.

I mean, this does not help your case much. I understand you were implying Gamma, but like, Korina is in this game too

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I hate to keep saying it, and it really feels like we are at the point of just going in circles, but I can confirm someone

You can't thou. Like, imagine you're a cultist, cult someone, someone says you nb'd them. And nobody was "cleared" but your recruit.

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Pre Edit: What do you mean? Korina is the mod yes, Gamma submitted the role in the GIM thread from what I saw.

Korina submitted the Pirate Cultist...

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And if I was Pirate Cultist, wouldn't it make much more sense to kill someone tonight?

No, by deciding to convert if you were a PC then you had a perfectly believable claim to make while you were under pressure, and you could create a cleared Cultist.

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There's close to no chance to take, if you're a Pirate you would have made an educated guess there was probably a retheme, you're likely not the only pirate and there likely are no 3p, since the pirate retheme would roll everything non-town into a pirate.

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@furtive, gun to head, if you could choose to execute either Looker or Drew right now, who would you pick?

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@furt, would you be down in executing them both today?

@Looker,

Intent

. Yes, I can do that. Claim.

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Do we want an extra day phase? I can provide one kinda, in an unrelated way

I meant this, thou I don't want to disclose the exact nature of the manner in which I can do this

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I don't like the Looker wagon and I'm not willing to vote there. 370 is a good scum case as well... so yeah I do in fact townread Looker.

Eh, I don't find it convincing frankly. In fact I think that even looking at the reaction to Gamma's

'''lie'''

is basically grasping at straws; it seems a sensible thing to suggest to support a scumread, but given what she lied about then it's pretty meh.

But don't worry, I don't actually need you to vote there. I repeat myself, I have the ability to make that elimination go through, right now, and I have intent. I want Looker to claim

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Yes. It is possible that there be 2 deaths if I use an ability I possess today.

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@bianco: Why would you jump to use your ability so soon if there was no wagon or pressure on you?

I'm not saying that I absolutely

want

to, otherwise I would have just shot. But I also don't like the gamestate too much. So, just claim

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What consensus? Multiple people said they're fine with daykilling you. If people voice a consensus that I should hold, I'll do, but I'm not seeing it

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Kill: Looker

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...what.
VOTE: Looker

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@furtive, did you use your shot, and if not why?

Anyway, let's do some counting. Since we had a BusDriver, this night NK could've ended up being friendly fire, so 6:2[mafia]:1[sk] is impossible (we could have killed 1 mafia with the dayvig and the SK with the lim, and the other mafia could have self-killed this night), unless at least one mafia is bulletproof. 5:2:2 is also not the case assuming the sk is solo. 5:3:1 also impossible, since maf could have already won.
So there are at least four factions. So there either is a minority town or it's one of 5:2:1:1 or 5:1:1:1:1

Also, for clarity,

@mod, if a cult leader dies, what happens to the rest of the cult? Do all cultist immediately die and lose?

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Is the possibility of a forfeit factored into the calculus of whether or not it's possible for the game to end N1?

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Ok, so 5:2[cult]:1[non-bp mafia]:1[sk] is also impossible, otherwise yesterday we could have killed off the cult and the sk, and then the mafia could have self-killed.

@mod, by default can solo 3p be recruited into a cult?

If the answer is yes, 5:2[maf]:1[cult]:1[sk] is also impossible; figure two town deaths yesterday, cult rescruit sk, sk shoots town, maf shoots cult leader, sk-now-recruit forfeits, and it's 2:2 town:maf

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(I'm assuming that culting works the night the cl dies.

@mod, If a cult leader recruits and dies the same night, can the recruit work successfully?

)

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Thanks.
So at least we probably don't have a cult.

Anyway, to try to make sense of what happened, @Drew, did you try to Neighborize anyone?

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Well this is awkward since the only way we are in majority is if it's exactly 6:1:1:1 but that means no groupscum lol.

I don't think it's possible, unless at least two of those 1 are bulletproof. Suppose we dayvigged one, limmed the other, and the third self-killed (and we know they have a kill, since someone died tonight). Unless the kill was not just a strongman, but also impossible to be redirected

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2:1:6 cult instead of mafia actually also works

It does not. Cult recreuit sk, sk shoots CL, cultists forfeit

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No, I'm all out of bullets

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Not really. There could be a Strongman.
He can also be a non-game-ending Jester

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Not really. There could be a Strongman.
He can also be a non-game-ending Jester

Sorry, I'm stupid. Didn't account for Drew working.

I say Jester

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Not if he's a "delayed Jester" or "Day 1 Survivor, Day 2+ Jester", both of which exist in the Grand Idea thread

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By the way, @Drew, you're weak, so you should know for certain that your new friend is town, right?

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Eh. So I presume that e.g. this can work:

Rampaging SK Roleblocker

Rampaging causes all direct (non-Ninja) visitors to your target to also be affected by your ability.

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Also, and at this point I believe we want that they claim if that's the case, is there anyone whose role is Town Global Roleblocker blocker? If that's the case, furtive is just an Alien.

@mod, do Aliens have any factional kill?

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@Nono, do you like Pirates of the Caribbean?

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@Nono, do you like Pirates of the Caribbean?

@Aero, I extend the question to you. I think we likely want to out the IC at this point (and I hope it isn't you, otherwise we have one less clear)

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Ah, no pirate retheme has happened, since there was a sk, so there must be a Caribbean Townie (since otherwise the mod announcement at the beginning of the game would not have happened).

Great, so if we believe Drew we have three clears. I also think that Meg is town, so it's my strong opinion that one in {Nono, Rat} is a malicious 3p. I also think that furtive is just some variety of Jester, so I'd rather not lim there

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For the setup question, I'm hoping it's 6:jester:sk:sk, thou it may also be 5:2:1:1, hope it's not.

Dunno, beside the claim, just general vibes I guess. Now, they did talk mechanics a lot, which may not be particularly townie, however I got the sense that they were genuinely trying to help by doing so. And, I do quite like the progression on Drew and the resistance to the Looker wagon as seen e.g. there:

I'm mostly against the Looker wagon. I don't think it's natural and the defence of Drew for no actual play reasons seems scum motivated. Could be partners.

But noone seems to be against the wagon because drew is towny or has acted like town. That tells me I'm onto something here.

To me it seems genuine scumhunting, even if likely mistaken.

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thought of something, don't believe this

No, I'm all out of bullets

suggestion: force bian to type kill: today's consensus lim

kthxbai~

Nah, no need, let's just clarify that out of the bat.

KILL: Nono

Now you'll see nothing will happen. Because I have no more shots.

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UNVOTE: Wait were you at E-1?

Yeah you helped put me there T_T

watson not jester anyhow, would've self hammered
also, not "under the radar", just being me,, i'm solving

Yes, he's a Delayed Jester I'd say, the lovely #5069

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I see. It's just like you want to get voted or something

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6:2:1 in particular is impossible; D1 we kill 1 scum and the sk, and it's 6:1:0; N1 the scum shoots themselves via the Bus Driver

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Furtive is either town or the delayed jester thing.
If he's some sort of malicious 3p, that's straight out throwing the game

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Whatever. VOTE: Furtive.
Compliments for your victory, well played

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Ok, so he's not a jester. I wuold have bet on it, but alas

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UNVOTE:

Look, scum would make up some shit excuse at the very least. Like, seriously, you don't just say the least plausible thing imaginable, especially when alternative explanations have already been given in-thread

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Yes, that's what I'm saying.
I'm saying he's just town that made a gross mistake

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VOTE: Furtive

This is flipping town, but I see the consensus is here, so we don't want to keep this slot to endgame anyway

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If there's a cult leader, it was possible that CL and SK just suicided N1 (CL recruits SK, SK kills CL). So 5:1[cult]:1[sk]:2[assorted non bp] would not work. 5:1[cult]:3[sks] would work actually, but then there are missing deaths

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Oh, the forfeit happens D2?

@mod, if a Cult Leader is killed N1, is the Cult forfeit considered to happen D2?

If that's the case, I'm on board.
VOTE: Drew

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plus it could be solo mafia not an sk

I could have shot solo Mafia thou. So a solo maf could have been killed D1

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Oh well, my reads were pretty bad. I had Meg and Aero locktown for some reason. I also had Rat for a second SK.

Quick question, @Drew, did you just lie on having created a hood with Aero? Aero should not have been converted

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Ha, I was almost certain Meg was scum as well.....Aeros reaction to being culted told me they were scum as well.

Funny TL bussed scum for scum lol.

Ok, I didn't read this, so Aero was actually culted. I though groupscum couldn't be :shrug:

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