Hollow Knight Mafia [game over]

[Klick]

and literally my only reason i put klick in there because this switcheroo from him townreading me to saying its me, doesn't make sense with a townklick who wants to play optimally and knowing keeping me alive is more optimal play is way more in line with how town him operates.

The fact he switched this on me feels like scum opportunism to freely be able to make kills but at this point ive been chalking it up as town paranoia.

Furtive is the one with least effort and im 100% into my theory that scum WIM is low, and furtive is just sliding by on his role.

This is literally the exact theory I have about you btw
You needed thread consensus to shift away from considering clears as clear right about now so that you could continue forward after everyone gets cleared
I think you've been pushing me as town for exactly that reason up until now

[Klick]

Also klick stop talking to me like u think im town or whatever ur doing.
Its really fucking with my brain

You're aware that I do this with everyone

[Firebringer]

Also klick stop talking to me like u think im town or whatever ur doing.
Its really fucking with my brain

You're aware that I do this with everyone

Yes, and thats why i asked u to stop it.
Its messing with my ability to really analyze u

[Firebringer]

treat me like how u think my alignment is, because the way u treat me is making me uncertain of what ur doing

[Klick]

Klick where did u think i was being survivalistic?
I literally have no plan to survive end game here

See previous post

[Firebringer]

You needed thread consensus to shift away from considering clears as clear right about now so that you could continue forward after everyone gets cleared
I think you've been pushing me as town for exactly that reason up until now

Thats true.
only way scum me wins is if i elimmed in clears.

Pretty sure its furtive tho

[Firebringer]

but wait a minute klick.

i didn't do this furtive push until literally after u switched to calling me scum.

how was i survivalistic before this?

[furtiveglance]

For you not to treat me as mechanically clear, you have to go assert that each of the following things is true:

• Either 1) I decided to use my traitorous scum jailkeep ability on a player I thought was scum and then tried to bus him the next day OR 2) I decided to use my traitorous scum jailkeep ability on a player I thought was town and then tried to mislim him the next day.
  
• I either 1) claimed the exact 'until 3 Mafia died' specification as Aristeia
  before she did
  or 2) indeed have that exact specification as scum.
  
• I started as a Traitor, gained kill power and chose to shoot petapan last night instead of both Firebringer and Fireisredsir (it only makes sense for Firebringer to do this).

Try to argue this.

[Aristeia]

I have been pretty lazy too. I will try to make time this week to actually reread that huge d1

[Firebringer]

Why would u kill me?
U literally came in here with a plan to elim me

[Firebringer]

I find this claim of klick saying it survivalistic non snesical when all I’ve done is been asking town to slow their role so we can solve

Is the argument that I’m toying with town knowing I can survive?

How does that fit with survivalism
It makes no sense to me

[furtiveglance]

Why would u kill me?
U literally came in here with a plan to elim me

No, I didn't. I came in with a plan to elim or clear all of you/Klick/Gimli/MT

I don't think it's MT anymore.

[Firebringer]

Why would u kill me?
U literally came in here with a plan to elim me

No, I didn't. I came in with a plan to elim or clear all of you/Klick/Gimli/MT

I don't think it's MT anymore.

Yes that includes killing me
What are we arguing

[Firebringer]

Only way I get cleared is if I die
Are we playing word games

[furtiveglance]

"You came in with a plan to kill me" sounds like you're saying I'm scum targeting a mislim on you specifically.

[Firebringer]

this game officially the most expensive mafia game i have ever played.

please ask me why

[furtiveglance]

Because your Radiance PT is on Mafiascum+, the new premium site

[Firebringer]

Because your Radiance PT is on Mafiascum+, the new premium site

okay this is the best post of this game now

[Klick]

treat me like how u think my alignment is, because the way u treat me is making me uncertain of what ur doing

I am not certain of your alignment either way. If I were I'd be voting you. I've already said this. You seem bothered that I'm not making this easy by just calling you scum. You make all these reads on how I tend to play but like that's fairly central to my playstyle.

There are things that make you look towny to me. I don't know if I can trust them. I know you're capable of quite a bit as scum. You seem like the most realistic option left. But I have doubts. I think it's likely enough that I'm missing something that I feel unsure.

[Firebringer]

treat me like how u think my alignment is, because the way u treat me is making me uncertain of what ur doing

I am not certain of your alignment either way. If I were I'd be voting you. I've already said this. You seem bothered that I'm not making this easy by just calling you scum. You make all these reads on how I tend to play but like that's fairly central to my playstyle.

There are things that make you look towny to me. I don't know if I can trust them. I know you're capable of quite a bit as scum. You seem like the most realistic option left. But I have doubts. I think it's likely enough that I'm missing something that I feel unsure.

im bothered because i don't know if ur making a play to slow push me as scum here without getting me to counter push u. In other words try to play some weird good cop scum, or if ur actually town and uncertain of what ur doing.

[Klick]

I'm not around enough atm to fact check the survivalism thing you're talking about
I've been considering this as a possibility (unlikely until now) for at least a couple of game days
Your long-term defense of me feels like it could be motivated by using my attempted elimination as a primer for starting to vote within clears

[Firebringer]

i don't know how u square that with me asking everyone to slow the game down and analyze everything.
but i guess that makes sense.

[Klick]

i don't know how u square that with me asking everyone to slow the game down and analyze everything.
but i guess that makes sense.

I don't see how these conflict?

[Firebringer]

I find any argument that im playing survivalistic to be weird to say the least.
I don't care if i get elimmed im here to find the last scum and im having a difficult time of it.

I think its furtive here.
Sure he could be town being lazy, believing his own stupid arguments that his plan of "clearing the 4 players" is townie. But theres def scum motivation in the way he made that plan, if he is scum he wins if we went with his plan.

Now on the flip side, obviously if im scum my objective is to subvert that plan because it means my death.
If u genuinely thinking im trying to reopen possible paths i think that makes sense only because im NOW pushing furtive

but i don't think its MT or Gimli and im not voting either of those today. Especially not ari but that was a non starter to begin with.

I really think im trying to shrink the elimination pool not open it up but my own paranoia is getting better of me so i can't promise im not going to be like "ohh lets relook at gimli and MT again"

[Firebringer]

i don't know how u square that with me asking everyone to slow the game down and analyze everything.
but i guess that makes sense.

I don't see how these conflict?

if i was playing survivalistic its anti productive to ask the game to slow down when i have a route to make it to final 5 already.
Like we are now arguing whether i should be the elimination here when 20 pages ago that didn't happen.

Unless ur saying i was blindsided by the possibility that the game flips onto me or something as scum.
I don't see how i could be survivalistic when i ask players to analyze me and everyone. That is anti survivalism to me.