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[Gimli]

andante had a really telling tvs reaction to klick here and spewed klick town.

[Alisae]

YUCXHFSJTFK.GKJF

NO IM NOT TRYING TO READ ANDANTE IM TRYING TO GET THEM TO POST SOMETHING THAT MAKES THEM READABLE HOW IS THAT SAVING

[Alisae]

They spent most of the game doing the bare minimum and I’m a wolf for trying to ask them to provide more than what they’re currently doing??????

[Alisae]

I’m going to lose my mind

[Aristeia]

this is after klick is already hard SRing andante and wagoning her. VERY early on d1. this is very early d1.

ok but he didnt push it through., he went on to vote alisae and then vote me. why can't it just be distancing he did in the beginning?

[Gimli]

this is after klick is already hard SRing andante and wagoning her. VERY early on d1. this is very early d1.

ok but he didnt push it through., he went on to vote alisae and then vote me. why can't it just be distancing he did in the beginning?

his alisae/andante team was a p.4 solve, it made sense for klick to go back there

also they were scumreading you cause you were pushing their top townread. it makes sense, I also thought you were disingenuous scum on d1. klick invited me to start the andante wagon, and once that took off andante snowballed herself.

if you're andante's team mate, do you pressure her? think about how andante played, and how klick already knew andante from past games. don't you think she is particularly susceptible to scumtell when she is hard pressed? why would klick be the first to do it?

also if you remember d1, NOBODY pressured andante like klick did. it's early and often and brutal.

[Aristeia]

he was the first person to leave Andante's first three vote wagon though.

[Gimli]

but that's just playing mafia, of course klick would move their vote around

andante's wagon that killed her started with klick. it wasn't me, really, I just voted her. klick asked me to do it cause in my solve I put you and andante as my top SRs. if anybody on andante's wagon deserves credit it's klick. I'm willing to die on that hill and if I'm wrong then I got outplayed and that's it.

[Gimli]

@ari: this thing alisae does, does e do it as town?

I think you and alisae are missing out the possible scum partner in worlds where me and ali are tvt. and its aureal, not klick, imo.

[Alisae]

Can u make posts about Aureal then and not about me?

[Gimli]

can u make posts about aureal then and not about me?

[Gimli]

like you're so sure it's me, so you must be strong townreading aureal. why? is it anywhere in this thread?

[Alisae]

I don’t think their vote on Andante is more likely to be a bus then yours

[Alisae]

"Hi I'm just not going to play the first gameday kthxbai"

Really think that calls for a replacement but in case they are around at all VOTE: Herta

UNVOTE: Herta

My thoughts were also much more in line with Datisi, and from four people so far claiming uninformed that seems to be bearing out as more valid. If both scum and Alisae's expected three town have that role that means literally all of us who've yet to weigh in. Just not seeming so likely.

This I think is just more likely to come from town than a wolf

[Aristeia]

but that's just playing mafia, of course klick would move their vote around

ok but you're saying Klick's early pressure on Andante is what killed her - which is not true because it literally didn't happen that way

[Aristeia]

andante's wagon that killed her started with klick. it wasn't me, really, I just voted her. klick asked me to do it cause in my solve I put you and andante as my top SRs. if anybody on andante's wagon deserves credit it's klick. I'm willing to die on that hill and if I'm wrong then I got outplayed and that's it.

Klick asked you if you wanted to switch to Andante but he said he was fine voting for Ari as well - this was as a reaction to me voting for Klick. If Klick is town, how does that reaction make sense from his POV without adjusting his read of me?

[Alisae]

I think the best way to describe Aureal’s play is it feels agendaless?
I don’t get the impression they’re informed and playing with a teammate.

[Gimli]

but that's just playing mafia, of course klick would move their vote around

ok but you're saying Klick's early pressure on Andante is what killed her - which is not true because it literally didn't happen that way

it did, though. when I replaced in, andante's wagon was dead. when I was catching up I went from townreading andante's EXCITEMENT in p.1-2 and pushback against wavelength to strong scumreading andante's reaction to klick especifically on p.6-7. andante felt like scum flailing. klick saw where my leans were, it checked with klick's leans, so they were strong TRing me. what did klick do? first klick enabled me itg, cause klick is a really really nice team mate and that's how klick plays mafia (which also means they are not scum with andante, but you don't have to agree with this). then klick told me they were more sure about andante than about you. then aureal voted. then andante posted super scummy things. THEN alisae voted, and said she could claim. it all begins with klick vs andante on p.6-7.

[Gimli]

andante's wagon that killed her started with klick. it wasn't me, really, I just voted her. klick asked me to do it cause in my solve I put you and andante as my top SRs. if anybody on andante's wagon deserves credit it's klick. I'm willing to die on that hill and if I'm wrong then I got outplayed and that's it.

Klick asked you if you wanted to switch to Andante but he said he was fine voting for Ari as well - this was as a reaction to me voting for Klick. If Klick is town, how does that reaction make sense from his POV without adjusting his read of me?

I would never refuse klick's invitation to vote andante. klick also was the one who emptied your wagon by taking me out of it.

[Klick]

i'm also p tired and didnt sleep very well I just want to think everything through and klick literally hasn't even posted today so I don't see why rush it?

let him play the game a bit.

I also don't want to rush. I think the myko lim was entirely avoidable.

I've not read everything posted today yet. I suspect I won't have a ton to add to the conversation.

I do think the current solve is in {Alisae, Gimli} but I want to dive deeper into Aureal to make sure I've not made a mistake there. I don't believe it's Aristeia and I don’t think that's going to change.

[Klick]

I'd like more posting from Aureal and Klick to make sure they are town - you and gimli shouting at each other is not going to help me get there.

I understand why Gimli's play is scum motivated in the areas that you are focused on but there are also areas that are weird to me - like why would he convince Klick to go from voting for me to voting for Andante?

You have that backwards, I made my preference for Andante clear. I do like that he went for it when I did that though.

[Klick]

Wait I'm a dummy Ari is clear lol

[Aristeia]

what trap play

here are the appropriate posts:

Spoiler: klick trapping andante

Aureal seems town

Why's that?

I like 128, are you thinking Aureal not town?

I like 128, are you thinking Aureal not town?

Yeah, I'd vote there but I don't want the wagon to grow too big just yet

I like 128, are you thinking Aureal not town?

Yeah, I'd vote there but I don't want the wagon to grow too big just yet

bruhh it's not "I'd vote there but that makes it e-1" please explain why you're currently voting me then if you have no interest in my wagon

I like 128, are you thinking Aureal not town?

Yeah, I'd vote there but I don't want the wagon to grow too big just yet

bruhh it's not "I'd vote there but that makes it e-1" please explain why you're currently voting me then if you have no interest in my wagon

I actually hard townread Aureal and have talked about it in the thread
I just wanted to see what you'd say if I hard countered my thread narrative to see if you really hadn't read the thread. I think the answer is probably yes?

this is after klick is already hard SRing andante and wagoning her. VERY early on d1. this is very early d1.

this is the issue I have because I reread the first 6 pages of the game and your version of events is just not accurate at all and I need you to actually reread it and tell me what you see again.

Datisi starts the Andante wagon at 84 - 1027am
Klick hops on as 2nd vote 96 - 1038 am - "I believe you Datisi"
I sheep Datisi, 3rd vote at 110 - 1104am

the interactions where you say Klick hardburies Andante happen ~5 hours later at 4pm - they occur after Klick votes for Andante and after she becomes a viable wagon. it's not him trapping her that leads him to vote her - he is already voting for her atp.

I don't see where the Klick/Andante interactions on page 6 can't be scum/scum theatre that they decided to do when they could both be online at the same time? If anything it feels a bit unbelievable to be unscripted on a re-read because it doesn't even feel natural?

even in 166 he is not really saying this trap worked or its ai for andante,

by 169 he has reacted to Alisae putting Aureal at E-1 by voting for Alisae - and this is an interesting reaction for several reasons.

What it signals overtly is that he's scumreading Alisae for putting Aureal[his top townread atp] at e-1.

but does this scumread actually make sense in the context of him pushing Andante as the CW? I would say not really? If anything he's making it more likely Aureal is the wagon that goes through since he's lowering the competing wagon from 3 -> 2 by hopping off and voting Alisae at this point.

Also how does it make sense for Alisae!scum to vote Aureal who is Klick's top townread if Andante is town? Like would it not be simpler for Alisae to vote for Andante if Andante is town?

Like why can't Alisae be just sorting or humoring Mykonian?

Originally I thought this was a townie reaction because it felt like Klick was trying to save Aureal!town but knowing that Andante is mafia it feels like a convenient way to deflate the andante wagon and jump off of it.

[Klick]

I'm ngl I am kind of worried it might be Klick

Talk about it? I don't feel like I'm a very sensible suspect at the moment with how D1 went.

[Klick]

can you two stop arguing with each other and look at Klick's transition for me pls.

like from here:

viewtopic.php?t=90508&start=500

he third-votes me to put me/gimli at 3 v 3

when I turn on him and vote for him - that's when he mentions to Gimli that he actually prefers Andante but he could still stay on Aristeia at 544 - which doesn't make a lot of sense as a reaction to me voting for Klick 30 seconds later ?

Keep in mind that 544 was posted literally 48 seconds after 542. I did not read your post before writing mine. It literally can't be a causal response to 542.