Hollow Knight Mafia [game over]

[Firebringer]

if i just go by who has the most survivalist mindset in this game: Its Klick
He seems most interested in staying alive in this game because either town and don't want elimmed or scum. (obvious two choices)

Three people either don't care or have floated idea of them being eliminated today: Me, MT, Gimli.
Question for those 3 is who is genuine in that. I want to say all, but could scum feel that way too at this point right? Or desperate ploys to not get elimmed.

For Klick wanting to survive i feel like he would have more trajectory to go somewhere with this day.
For MT.....I am not certain why she actually would be cool with her own elim. It actually feels disingenous tbh.

Furtive is not helping
Ari is not helping
FireR is not helping

I don't believe furtive is 100% town. But if yall want to shout at me that it can't be him and its him at the end of this game, yall owe me because i called it all out.

ARI GET IN HERE

[Morning Tweet]

i dont rlly think ur being hyper defensive, I think you're a reasonable amount of defensive

I feel like some players r holdi9ng ur feet to the fire and considering outright limming you despite it not being quite as an auto plan

Thats prolly as much pressure as u can get. Ari and RedF seem like they dont quite know what to make of it yet

Also i didnt realize there was a hypersolve coming. I'd hold ur paws to the fire but ur a fire dog that wouldnt do anything. I could ask please?

pedit: ur face is disingenuous

[Firebringer]

My face is always disingenous
seriously i don't see why u would want or be cool with being eliminated MT.
I have never seen u be like that in any game ever.

[Morning Tweet]

I think u should focus on furtive more. Are you familiar with his night actions n shit. Maybe explain hiow they could come from scum -- they totally could and i just dont see it -- again, wasnt there for probably 2-3 days

[Morning Tweet]

My face is always disingenous
seriously i don't see why u would want or be cool with being eliminated MT.
I have never seen u be like that in any game ever.

Really? Huh, weird.

I would say it fluctuates depending on the game. Have we ever been in a 1 scum several town show-off before? My strategy of townreading most everyone and killing the rest breaks at this part of the game

[Firebringer]

i kind of explained my theory that furtive is scum traitor jailkeeper who jailkept petapan and thought it was a good idea to buss or get rid of whatever peta was. I am not sure if he really thought peta was town or scum. Maybe he genuinely did think he was scum and was going for deeper wolf plan.

I think outside his night actions i don't see why he is town especially today.

[furtiveglance]

I've had a plan, that I'm pretty sure works, for many many pages. And people are just dilly dallying

[Firebringer]

I've had a plan, that I'm pretty sure works, for many many pages. And people are just dilly dallying

and this is what we have to deal with for our current "clear"

[furtiveglance]

I've had a plan, that I'm pretty sure works, for many many pages. And people are just dilly dallying

and this is what we have to deal with for our current "clear"

I explained it several times. It's been discussed. I don't know what you expect from me.

[Firebringer]

i arleady know ur plan Furtive.
This has nothing to do with the plan

This is dayplay solving and u take 0 part in it.

[Firebringer]

Maybe scum u isn't this boneheaded

[furtiveglance]

I'm not being boneheaded - others are dragging their feet.

[Firebringer]

Now we are in a game of "No u"

[Morning Tweet]

Ok ill remember that when/if i try to seriously figure it out again

How would you be expecting furtive to be playing as town? it seemed like you feel he isn't doing anything but pushing you blankly ("not helping"). I pretty sure remember that he thought it was me for a decent chunk.

For you not to treat me as mechanically clear, you have to go assert that each of the following things is true:

• Either 1) I decided to use my traitorous scum jailkeep ability on a player I thought was scum and then tried to bus him the next day OR 2) I decided to use my traitorous scum jailkeep ability on a player I thought was town and then tried to mislim him the next day.
  
• I either 1) claimed the exact 'until 3 Mafia died' specification as Aristeia
  before she did
  or 2) indeed have that exact specification as scum.
  
• I started as a Traitor, gained kill power and chose to shoot petapan last night instead of both Firebringer and Fireisredsir (it only makes sense for Firebringer to do this).

Try to argue this.

I'm pretty sure we know for a fact he's a jailkeeper which just lends credence to his claim, he's the only protective besides me IIRC (and he's a more reliable one). Plus the 3 scum dead modifier

UGh Firebringer not getting shot last night means that A.) scum doesnt respect FireB innoing the entire game from now on B.) he can't shoot himself. It's realllly hard to see why scum wouldn't shoot fire and FireR. I see why Firebringer either finds this insulting or is scum

I'm not sure it's insulting though. I think it's more calling the bluff, I guess? But it didnt turn out to be a bluff. The more I think about this there's just more and more contradictions and things that dont make sense

There's a lot of reasons it can't be furtive that do make sense

[Firebringer]

i kind of want to elim me just to see if im alive as a shield for ari
not that i think ari is scum.....

but if im elimmed scum have to kill her and if they don't. That would be spicy

imagine a world where ari knows she looks bad as a town who caught not one but two scum and never is night killed. What better patsy than the guy who been calling her town all game and ability can be used to ensure she does no kills while we clear away all the townies for her.

Its so fucking diabolical she deserves two scummies for it.

This is probably way cooler than whoever it really is. But i like this fanfiction

[Firebringer]

VOTE: MorningTweet
I looked at post shea self voting
I think everyone who interacted with that post his self vote was ++townie
That means klick, ari, furtive, myself

MT and Gimli not to be seen.

[Firebringer]

If furtive shoots himself it will clear the slot tbh

this is dumb but i don't think shea says this about final teammate

[Gimli]

gimli is accusing me of being hyper defensive and AtE.

I did not accuse you of defensiveness. I think defending the slot is a fair thing to do and NAI, just playing to wincon regardless of your rand. what I'm surprised at and expecting you to flip scum for is how upset you are at being scumread. it doesn't mesh well with the threadstate and feels survivalistic. the other thing I said you're doing is defending yourself for with WIFOM 'what I'd do/wouldn't do/wouldn't make sense as doing as a wolf' logic. those arguments are impenetrable and purely subjective and you're experienced enough to know not to use them to towncase yourself.

[Gimli]

we can go back to the auto plan but I fully expect it not to give us auto, regardless of firebringer's alignment

[Gimli]

I laid down the setup earlier this gameday, and the game does not make sense if scum doesn't have extra KP. regardless of which one is the last mafia, it has extra KP because town has too many protectives

[Gimli]

scum had:

actiondan: 3x jailkeeper in hood
sircakez: non killing NAs don't affect him. can't do it subsequently but has unlimited uses. in hood
TSQ: 4x rolecop
(4th member)

town has:

CSF: vanillaizer (activates when dead)
asri: 2x self watcher (can target who watched him to become lovers and share a pt)
mistyx: fruit
ali: 2x make someone strongman for the night
redff: neighborizer with 1x vigilante chosen by the neighbours
peta: double voter and can stop one player to be voted out.
black: 2x learns a bunch of actions related to a dead player.

unflipped townies
ari: tracker. can't track if three dead scum.
furtive: gated jailkeeper (same as aristeia)

unflipped others
MT: 4 shot babysitter
gimli: 2 shot gun giver
fireisr: 1 shot informed if a player is in a hood
klick: messenger in a filthy ass hood
firebringer: hider

from a setup perspective, it seems to me that town has too much killing power (hood kill, then at least one between me and MT) while scum hasn't had a single flipped KP. that on top of asri who was potentially lovers, and sircakez who couldn't use his ability to protect himself, the odds are that scum had extra KP as well. in that sense I think both my role and MT's role would fit for scum, and especially if MT is a traitor I think the babysitter is a really fun role for the traitor trying to figure out wtf to do. of course I can be mafia who townsided scum's only KP to deepwolf the game.

I think klick as messenger in the hood makes a lot of sense if he is the townie in a scum hood, it just interacts well as scum is going to influence a player who has a platform to speak to the town. I also don't think the way klick showed up late d2 to talk about sircakez' claim as very likely to be scum theatre. I think the way he voted first to then talk about the claim is organic and likely to be just cakez fakeclaiming to klick in their hood before ari's result.

I was already leaning strongly towards MT, but as the day progresses and I put the jigsaw puzzles in order I think firebringer is much more likely to be scum than Klick is, both from a playing and from a setup perspective. his claim doesn't mesh well with the rest of the game, has some functions that makes me feel you either give a hider or a babysitter but not both to town in this setup, + it being ungated when the other ungated roles are fruit and neighbour.

here if anyone missed it

[Firebringer]

wow u actually didn't say i was being defensive exact words are "his defenses are WIFM and Ate"

where the fuck did i insert defensiveness

[Gimli]

I'm taking issue with how you're defending yourself not that you're defending yourself

I'm glad you're posting for what it's worth, I feel the game is dying a little

[Firebringer]

my mind is playing tricks on me this game or something

[Firebringer]

also r u aware of datisi as a mod is unpredictable with setup spec
I don't know why ur doing it because he is notorious for making that the worst way to solve a game