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Post Post #1050 (ISO) » Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:23 am

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In post 1048, NorwegianboyEE wrote: That's a whole lot of finger pointing and pre-flip association in this page. So this better hit scum.
Or, what? We start the analysis over with bianco being town.

No harm in discussing one scenario over the over atm.

Not as much fun as twilight trolling, but, alas, I cannot do that rn.
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Post Post #1051 (ISO) » Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:29 am

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In post 1046, Detective Penguin wrote:
In post 1041, Gimli wrote: ceph would have to be bussing the ever living fuck out of his partner which, why not? but somehow I think that's not too likely
If this is your barometer, you should be throwing furtive in the pool as well. His dance around bianco is actually worse than cephypoo's.
this is why I don't think furtive is scum with bianco:

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In post 572, furtiveglance wrote:
In post 570, Gimli wrote: so POE

(furtive, std, ceph, norwee)

is that a good solve friends
max 1 in here, 2 in your locktowns
In post 574, furtiveglance wrote: bianco and Flea

I will make you see Gimli


I don't think furtive beats me up on my wrong townread of a partner like that.
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Post Post #1052 (ISO) » Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:31 am

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I mean - if a partner is going to bus then that's exactly what they would do...and I would note, that furtive was happy to get off bianco (on to me...remember that flash?) and slower to get back on than cephypoo.
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Post Post #1053 (ISO) » Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:38 am

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In post 1041, Gimli wrote: this is already more scumhunting than flea did in one month of HMS mutiny as scum so fae is probably town.

I think bianco's partner is in (STD, ceph, dragoneater)

ceph would have to be bussing the ever living fuck out of his partner which, why not? but somehow I think that's not too likely

STD has softdefended bianco throughout d1, suspecting people that suspect him without townreading him. also called out ceph for putting bianco in the spotlight with the 'I bet you forgot bianco existed' vote (which I think was a nice vote and tone and I had forgotten bianco existed as well).

DE is someone I'm not scumreading and have no idea if associatives work but bianco mentioned him as a potential scum and I think that's interesting as I think bianco would try to distance themselves from a partner while going down.
Funny thing is, it's not even scum hunting.
Funnier still... Just let me do my thing without crappushing D1 and I can actually make sense of stuff like that.

How's that meta read coming on me?
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Post Post #1054 (ISO) » Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:43 am

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In post 1052, Detective Penguin wrote: I mean - if a partner is going to bus then that's exactly what they would do...and I would note, that furtive was happy to get off bianco (on to me...remember that flash?) and slower to get back on than cephypoo.
they may both be equally as unlikely to be mafia with bianco. I've reread ceph and I'm fine with him just being a townie. I like parts of his progression on bianco and the final push was fundamental to get him flipped so I'm giving him tons of townpoints.

I also like his kawaiikame SK read. we might have to start SK hunting soon, and maybe the player LAMISTing the game early then fading to oblivion once real scumhunting started might as well just be the one.

gth if bianco is mafia I think flipping STD works from how he treated that slot as well
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Post Post #1055 (ISO) » Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:45 am

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I'm going over these scenarios also because if bianco is scum then scum might decide to make the horrible mistake of killing me
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Post Post #1056 (ISO) » Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:48 am

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In post 1054, Gimli wrote: they may both be equally as unlikely to be mafia with bianco. I've reread ceph and I'm fine with him just being a townie. I like parts of his progression on bianco and the final push was fundamental to get him flipped so I'm giving him tons of townpoints.
that's an odd shift given your previous statement a page ago
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Post Post #1057 (ISO) » Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:52 am

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I went through ceph and dragoneater because of rule of three. I then looked at scenarios and re-read ceph and I don't think it's ceph. re-reading ceph re: bianco I also come across the 'gross post tbh' which is STD shutting down suspicion over bianco. that looks more partnery than anything else that happened itg.
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Post Post #1058 (ISO) » Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:01 am

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mmm - fair enough progression. i missed the follow-up

what about dragoneater?
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Post Post #1059 (ISO) » Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:05 am

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yeah it can totally be dragoneater
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Post Post #1060 (ISO) » Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:26 am

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So basically Gimli's fishing for every elimination possible.
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Post Post #1061 (ISO) » Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:28 am

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I mean - I think that's an unfair interpretation. He has explicitly listed a pool.
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Post Post #1062 (ISO) » Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:30 am

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I'm at (STD, dragoneater) now just to be clear
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Post Post #1063 (ISO) » Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:42 am

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In the last 24h - also his Vote is currently on Bianco...
STD, Dragon Eater, Bianco, Flea.

Just over 24h ago we have a plea to StD, FB and Norwee. Not only that we have (just) got
In post 944, Gimli wrote: if std wants to kill flea then I'm not moving my vote elsewhere today
48h we have the angling for the second wagon on me.


Yeah fair - its an unfair interpretation. Gimli's actually a little more focused than I'm giving credit for.
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Post Post #1064 (ISO) » Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:56 am

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this reminds me that STD has towny vibes dealing with your slot in that page, so it might as well just be dragoneater
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Post Post #1065 (ISO) » Sat Mar 04, 2023 6:01 am

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So the hammer fell uh? Well, sorry all. Go town.
In post 1040, Flea The Magician wrote: And yet... anyone wagoned twice on a day needs to be resolved. At this point I need to be resolved otherwise I'm a question mark until endgame. Scum will now not NK me because of this.

Because of Gimli's bad push.

Leading town requires someone with confidence in their play, Gimli lacks confidence and has already undermined their position by admitting that he's "horrible at mafia". I also don't think bianco sets up the kind of hardball play Gimli is suggesting here.

That said looking over ISO, something I'm seeing in bianco's posts.
Mirroring/language shift.

She started out very informal, then as the day has progressed he's mirroring my more pointed style throughout. It's not fully there, but it is noticeable. Slips back again when talking about me in a scum context, and then immediately returns when not. And this continues. Whenever talking about eliminating me, back to casual. Talking about me as town, is pointed.

Weaponised mirroring, could be intentional, could not be. I can't decipher that just yet with 35 posts.
Mirroring is a behaviour used in social groups to establish a connection and deepen bonds.
I've done this before, rare cases and usually as an escape option. Just start subtly mirroring a widely townread person - and it has worked.
I've seen others use it as pocketing and sometimes to create false associatives.

Make of it what you will. Without being able to decode the information behind it, this is fluff.
Lol, appreciate the effort, but if you think I would be actually able to pull off any sort of subtle social manipulation like that you're really overestimating my social skills. By a lot. It's possible I'm doing that unconsciously I guess.
But that's consolidating my tr fwiw
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Post Post #1066 (ISO) » Sat Mar 04, 2023 6:02 am

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sorry bianco
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Post Post #1067 (ISO) » Sat Mar 04, 2023 6:03 am

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Flea/Penguin then we move
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Post Post #1068 (ISO) » Sat Mar 04, 2023 6:04 am

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furtive and dragoneater
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Post Post #1069 (ISO) » Sat Mar 04, 2023 6:07 am

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In post 1067, furtiveglance wrote: Flea/Penguin then we move
Keep acting like a dense idiot who refuses to read reality.
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Post Post #1070 (ISO) » Sat Mar 04, 2023 6:15 am

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In post 1069, Detective Penguin wrote:
In post 1067, furtiveglance wrote: Flea/Penguin then we move
Keep acting like a dense idiot who refuses to read reality.
Your town meta isn't this prickly...
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Post Post #1071 (ISO) » Sat Mar 04, 2023 6:16 am

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Or mayb Bianco is the SK!
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Post Post #1072 (ISO) » Sat Mar 04, 2023 6:19 am

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I hate furtive's EOD too much

think flea is a townie after faer's evaluation of bianco, I feel like I could finally see a post by flea that was actively solving in a way that's unlikely to come from a wolf

I really like peng this game and think his EOD and twilight was towny

so furtive coming here with the same peng/flea solve from pages ago is not a good look I expect him to do better
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Post Post #1073 (ISO) » Sat Mar 04, 2023 6:20 am

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In post 1070, furtiveglance wrote: Your town meta isn't this prickly...
I reiterate my previous statement. Either you aren't reading my games; you're intentionally mis-representing them; or, you just feel like acting like a dense idiot.
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Post Post #1074 (ISO) » Sat Mar 04, 2023 6:28 am

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This was a moderator statement, but it was retracted upon review.
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