In post 292, Aureal wrote:
Lorne Malvo: I did not like 94, kinda seemed like trying to direct the flow of the game, and the whole conversation about TRing patch to saying not to casually throw out townreads to acting very confident about it reads really oddly- I guess it's a serious read now but for a while there it seemed like some sort of game Lorne was playing
Drew does not have TMI on my alignment
In post 331, Doctor Drew wrote:
Lorne is almost trolling at this point, almost feel like they are just trying to see what they can get away with.....or just workshopping new playstyles as an alt. I lean a bit scummy, but also can be NAI. I wanna see more actual meat and potatoes from them.
No idea about furtive or Kitty
Lorne has TMI on my alignment
Marashu has TMI on my alignment
Oclaxian probably doesn't
patchwork has no idea about anything, let alone my alignment
sky does not have TMI on my alignment
In post 498, Skygazer wrote:
i don't see a tonnnn of scum motivation for what lorne and kitty are doing; they're both drawing heat for it (lurking / not contributing) in a game where town have numerous shots, it'd be kind of not optimal at all
In post 292, Aureal wrote:
Lorne Malvo: I did not like 94, kinda seemed like trying to direct the flow of the game, and the whole conversation about TRing patch to saying not to casually throw out townreads to acting very confident about it reads really oddly- I guess it's a serious read now but for a while there it seemed like some sort of game Lorne was playing
In post 292, Aureal wrote:
Lorne Malvo: I did not like 94, kinda seemed like trying to direct the flow of the game, and the whole conversation about TRing patch to saying not to casually throw out townreads to acting very confident about it reads really oddly- I guess it's a serious read now but for a while there it seemed like some sort of game Lorne was playing
guessing ur referring to the latter half?
The entire post itself seems like a mash of random mafia reasoning combined together to try and make something coherent
"direct the flow of the game" "some sort of game lorne is playing", none of this makes sense lmao
In post 582, Oclaxian Empire wrote:
bc i dont wanna push u for something drew sees, esp since i think drew has an idea for how to push it. instead, i'm going to push u for ur self-awareness. give me a moment to pick out the posts that show *exactly* what i mean.
Fwiw I don't think self awareness is a great reason to think people are scummy. Some of us are just like that normally. I know people like to use that as a line of attack and I kind of get it but at the same time don't really get it. It's one of those things where you're likely to be reading based on personality rather than alignment.
In post 292, Aureal wrote:
Lorne Malvo: I did not like 94, kinda seemed like trying to direct the flow of the game, and the whole conversation about TRing patch to saying not to casually throw out townreads to acting very confident about it reads really oddly- I guess it's a serious read now but for a while there it seemed like some sort of game Lorne was playing
guessing ur referring to the latter half?
The entire post itself seems like a mash of random mafia reasoning combined together to try and make something coherent
"direct the flow of the game" "some sort of game lorne is playing", none of this makes sense lmao
If you don't understand me you can just say that rather than making up some weird "TMI" nonsense. But I guess that wouldn't fit well enough into the games you're playing.
BTW I think I'm going to try to say Lorne in all my posts now since apparently that makes you more likely to read them??
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
In post 610, Aureal wrote:
If you don't understand me you can just say that rather than making up some weird "TMI" nonsense. But I guess that wouldn't fit well enough into the games you're playing.
BTW I think I'm going to try to say Lorne in all my posts now since apparently that makes you more likely to read them??
In post 38, patchwork wrote:
i'm really not that much of a newbie and i Hope i dont seem that incompetent lmao, i'm pretty garbage at scumhunting though and i've gotten scrutinized for it in basically all my games
In post 39, patchwork wrote:
it's a little strange how you can be so confident in my being town on page two
i dont even feel like im coming off that way either
In post 47, patchwork wrote:
no, i just want to see if other people townread me and if there's a difference in reason (and not because of your reason, which is basically "patch is super excited, town")
In post 139, patchwork wrote:
and no i'm not saying that out of ego, i literally have fifty posts which is more than most of you
In post 255, patchwork wrote:
btw, aureal, when you have time, can we have a readlist? pretty please with a cherry on top?
I'm not typically much for doing this 'readlist' thing but since you asked nicely, in descending order of towniness:
Doctor Drew: leaning town as I feel pretty in sync with his attitude here (no I did not think his saying he "loved" Lorne's TR on patch meant he was saying it was townie), also furtive gave a meta-read that Drew is town and if furtive is scum he's probably not starting off the game with little but a TR on his partner
Oclaxian Empire: I don't agree with all their takes but asks good questions, seems to actually be trying to figure things out
Skygazer: mixed feelings, had to ISO her to even remember anything besides getting thrown off by Drew's sarcastic 'love', I don't love the talk about her neighbor being town and asking about neighbor claiming at the start but I did like the retort to Lorne about being able to change reads
patchwork: uuuuuuuuuuh I'm not nearly as sold on 'overeager town' as everyone else, I'm finding it hard to follow the deluge of posts, and the reaction to furtive's mistake seems like the sort of thing they'd say if scum partnered
Lorne Malvo: I did not like 94, kinda seemed like trying to direct the flow of the game, and the whole conversation about TRing patch to saying not to casually throw out townreads to acting very confident about it reads really oddly- I guess it's a serious read now but for a while there it seemed like some sort of game Lorne was playing
KittyTacky: I don't know where they're coming from with reads that are largely the opposite of how I feel and his reads give me nothing to work with to know why, also it seems kinda scummy the way he reacted to my massclaim joke
furtiveglance: possible scumslip, hasn't been much of a presence (and I kind of expect him to be a presence), and his 125 waffling on Lorne seems like the sort of thing he'd scumread
on me: agree on the overeager town thing, though how is what i said regarding furt's "slip" partnered? i was just saying i didnt wanna jump to conclusions, so i was going with occam's razor there and assuming it's a misread, like how korina and grim both thought maf could only be paired with town
on kt: are you placing them low because you dont agree, or for other reasons?
lorne: if theyre trying to guide conversation, ehat about me?
also is sky just a vibe read? /genq
It isn't your bad, you just dont have enough confidence in yourself
i've gotten tunnelled very badly (in one game, by furtive themself) for behaviors that aren't really that scummy and based on personality so honestly it's kind of what you'd expect
In post 408, patchwork wrote:
yeah i know i'm just like not willing to get tunneled over dumb shit again
glad everyone seems to tr me this game though because Oh Man
In post 535, patchwork wrote:
glad we're seeing more aureal activity though! the main reason iu scumread her was for just not really doing much? like her early posts didn't have much substance, i could barely remember that she was even a part of this game, and the push on furtive wasn't even technically a push, but i like this a lot more.
readlist right now is probably
me
aureal
ox
sky
drew
furtive
kt
lorne
btw, furtive, i asked you earlier if you could quote some posts from sky that pinged you one way or another. could you do that when you have time? i'm interested in seeing your take on her
When did I become your top scumread?
just now obviously
if you don't want me to scumread don't appear whenever someone says something bad about you and yknow.... maybe actually do things? and this is not "drowning out conversation" btw, you've not been contributing at all for the entire game so far
In post 534, patchwork wrote:
also yeah my read on aureal has definitely changed, scum would absolutely not try to push me (towniest player in the game) as a wagon, it's counterproductive to their goal when they could push someone easier like sky or kt. it's very towny in my eyes UNVOTE:
this is also a really interesting post. scum can and will push townie players in the game. like. that's how you can start a bus on a partner.
really? in my eyes it seems counterproductive to wagon me because literally no one's going to try and wagon me, scum would probably go for easier miselims imo
In post 568, patchwork wrote:
????? no? i'm just saying i'm basically universally townread, and scum would rather prefer to pursue a miselim that's easier to deal with, like targeting one of the inactives. however, aureal goes after me, which makes her vote seem more genuine and the whole iso is good too.
here are 15 quotes from u that show in my opinion ur self-aware of how you're playing and how you look in the game. most of them are centered around u calling out ur being townread, or ur the towniest player. it's super weird for town to go "well i don't think i'm looking townie" type of thing. town can absolutely challenge a townread on them, but not go "i don't think i look town, the fuck?" y'know why? bc if ur town and u dont think ur looking townie, that's a problem. u know ur town. the only person who would reasonably think "i don't think i look town and that's a problem" is scum. town can think that too, yes. but scum are more focused on trying to fix it than scum for one reason: it's ok if ur town and you get miselim'd up to a certain point. we're in the point that town is reasonably ok with a mislim, and being mislim'd as town isn't that bad.
sure, it'd be bad if u think ur hood partner is town. but there's one case in the game where that'd be even more true. ur scum. u know ur partner is town or mafia. u know where ur vig shot is going. you know it's not going to be on ur partner ever, why? bc if it is, you just refuse to shoot. and guess what? the shot never goes thru. and that's just assuming ur not partnered with them. if ur partnered with them, congrats, u have the potential for a double kill, but effectively, u have a convoluted factional kill.
that's why i think ur scum. i think u trying to change ur meta is a little weird as an excuse too. like sure, u could be, but i don't think sheeping too much or playing defensively is generally a thing that could be used for meta. i think that's just u played poorly in that game, and ur trying not to play poorly this game. i just. i think ur scum. i think ur too self-aware of how ur playing and how others are perceiving u for u to realistically be town.
im not really sure how some of these seem "self-aware"? some of these are just how i think. the one on posts is just information that's open to everyone, carrying the pagecount is obv true because i was posting the most at that point... talking about another game where i get tunneled isn't scummy, lorne was basically like "ur not confident enough" and it was the reason as to why i'm not that confident... because i got tunneled over every play i made.... a lot of these r just the way i talk lmao
i can understand the ones i made in response to drew + reaction test though, that does look pretty bad and i can see how you viewed it that way
In post 594, Oclaxian Empire wrote:
most of them are centered around u calling out ur being townread, or ur the towniest player.
and is there an issue with that? i literally am. or was, at least. i know people are townreading me. is it scummy to just echo that? or is it bad, because i'm the one doing it and not others?
In post 594, Oclaxian Empire wrote:
it's super weird for town to go "well i don't think i'm looking townie" type of thing.
ur seriously taking those first two quotes out of context, grim
those first two quotes refer to the "newbie who likes sunshine and rainbows" not "why do you think i'm towny"
already explained why i was asking about grim's tr on me. not because i was hunting for more townreads or whatever but because i felt that grim's tr on me was weird so early and wanted to see if others felt the same way, because i am prone to misinterpreting things and reading tone incorrectly.
In post 594, Oclaxian Empire wrote:
the only person who would reasonably think "i don't think i look town and that's a problem" is scum.
actually no i do that a lot lmao
In post 594, Oclaxian Empire wrote:
but scum are more focused on trying to fix it than scum for one reason: it's ok if ur town and you get miselim'd up to a certain point. we're in the point that town is reasonably ok with a mislim, and being mislim'd as town isn't that bad.
okay. but was i "trying to fix it"? no, not really... and if i were scum, why would i need to fix it anyways? everyone was townreading me, nothing would stop me from just going inactive (like lorne or kitty).
i literally said that if drew thought i was scumslipping they could push me and hammer me idk where you think i'm not okay with a lim on me?? like i want to play this game and i would prefer not the get hung, but you're the ones who look stupid when you quickhammer me and miselim, not me.
like there's more posts about how ppl will scumread me or you will point out how you read me in a certain way and i just concede it because i can't argue with someone's subjective view of how i post. that's literally what i do.
In post 594, Oclaxian Empire wrote:
you know it's not going to be on ur partner ever, why? bc if it is, you just refuse to shoot. and guess what? the shot never goes thru.
you do realize that (hypothetically) that if i were mafia, and if my neighbor scumread my partner and i disagreed it would make me look bad... right? especially because people only want to shoot if they're 100% sure in their read...?
In post 594, Oclaxian Empire wrote:
i think u trying to change ur meta is a little weird as an excuse too. like sure, u could be, but i don't think sheeping too much or playing defensively is generally a thing that could be used for meta.
it's not an excuse.... you asked me a question and i answered... the explanation is that i played bad in both those games. sheeping and sucking up to better players and not actively solving was bad, so i stopped that. that was in 2112. in 2113 i tried to be more active and thought i was contributing, but i really wasn't because a large majority of my posts were even worse than they were in 2112, and they were all reactive.
i play different because i played badly in those two, and i am trying not to suck ass this game. obviously, it's not working, because wanting to look town is scummy, i guess.
meta refers to playstyle. i played badly, so i am changing my meta. not sure what you mean.
okay, that's fine. thank you for explaining it, at least. i don't really know what to say because at this point i'm probably going to get tunneled again for making this post and some of those posts do look bad but i am not scum.
ok now time to respond to every single of those fifteen quotes in case that wasn't enough
In post 38, patchwork wrote:
i'm really not that much of a newbie and i Hope i dont seem that incompetent lmao, i'm pretty garbage at scumhunting though and i've gotten scrutinized for it in basically all my games
this doesn't come across as self-aware. i am not a newbie, i have had mafia experience before. i am garbage at scumhunting though, which might be why they thought i was a newb, especially if they have read my other games.
In post 39, patchwork wrote:
it's a little strange how you can be so confident in my being town on page two
i dont even feel like im coming off that way either
this is not "why are you townreading me omgg qwq". this is me being skeptical on the townread because of how confident it was, and how fast it was dropped. the latter sentence was referring to "newbie who likes rainbows and sunshine."
In post 47, patchwork wrote:
no, i just want to see if other people townread me and if there's a difference in reason (and not because of your reason, which is basically "patch is super excited, town")
i already explained this in an earlier post. i have autism, meaning it's hard for me to read tone and lorne felt very sketchy to me. so, i was checking with the rest of the thread to see if they townread me as well and how they felt about lorne's townread on me. i wanted to see if i was reading it incorrectly or not.
In post 139, patchwork wrote:
and no i'm not saying that out of ego, i literally have fifty posts which is more than most of you
not sure how this is "self-aware". i was in fact carrying the pagecount.
In post 255, patchwork wrote:
btw, aureal, when you have time, can we have a readlist? pretty please with a cherry on top?
I'm not typically much for doing this 'readlist' thing but since you asked nicely, in descending order of towniness:
Doctor Drew: leaning town as I feel pretty in sync with his attitude here (no I did not think his saying he "loved" Lorne's TR on patch meant he was saying it was townie), also furtive gave a meta-read that Drew is town and if furtive is scum he's probably not starting off the game with little but a TR on his partner
Oclaxian Empire: I don't agree with all their takes but asks good questions, seems to actually be trying to figure things out
Skygazer: mixed feelings, had to ISO her to even remember anything besides getting thrown off by Drew's sarcastic 'love', I don't love the talk about her neighbor being town and asking about neighbor claiming at the start but I did like the retort to Lorne about being able to change reads
patchwork: uuuuuuuuuuh I'm not nearly as sold on 'overeager town' as everyone else, I'm finding it hard to follow the deluge of posts, and the reaction to furtive's mistake seems like the sort of thing they'd say if scum partnered
Lorne Malvo: I did not like 94, kinda seemed like trying to direct the flow of the game, and the whole conversation about TRing patch to saying not to casually throw out townreads to acting very confident about it reads really oddly- I guess it's a serious read now but for a while there it seemed like some sort of game Lorne was playing
KittyTacky: I don't know where they're coming from with reads that are largely the opposite of how I feel and his reads give me nothing to work with to know why, also it seems kinda scummy the way he reacted to my massclaim joke
furtiveglance: possible scumslip, hasn't been much of a presence (and I kind of expect him to be a presence), and his 125 waffling on Lorne seems like the sort of thing he'd scumread
on me: agree on the overeager town thing, though how is what i said regarding furt's "slip" partnered? i was just saying i didnt wanna jump to conclusions, so i was going with occam's razor there and assuming it's a misread, like how korina and grim both thought maf could only be paired with town
on kt: are you placing them low because you dont agree, or for other reasons?
lorne: if theyre trying to guide conversation, ehat about me?
also is sky just a vibe read? /genq
i did not remember typing "overeager town" that is Not what i meant
It isn't your bad, you just dont have enough confidence in yourself
i've gotten tunnelled very badly (in one game, by furtive themself) for behaviors that aren't really that scummy and based on personality so honestly it's kind of what you'd expect
In post 408, patchwork wrote:
yeah i know i'm just like not willing to get tunneled over dumb shit again
glad everyone seems to tr me this game though because Oh Man
lorne's comment about how i didn't have confidence kind of irked me, so i tried to defend myself from nothing. no one wants to get tunneled though, so this is literally just nai
In post 535, patchwork wrote:
glad we're seeing more aureal activity though! the main reason iu scumread her was for just not really doing much? like her early posts didn't have much substance, i could barely remember that she was even a part of this game, and the push on furtive wasn't even technically a push, but i like this a lot more.
readlist right now is probably
me
aureal
ox
sky
drew
furtive
kt
lorne
btw, furtive, i asked you earlier if you could quote some posts from sky that pinged you one way or another. could you do that when you have time? i'm interested in seeing your take on her
When did I become your top scumread?
just now obviously
if you don't want me to scumread don't appear whenever someone says something bad about you and yknow.... maybe actually do things? and this is not "drowning out conversation" btw, you've not been contributing at all for the entire game so far
In post 534, patchwork wrote:
also yeah my read on aureal has definitely changed, scum would absolutely not try to push me (towniest player in the game) as a wagon, it's counterproductive to their goal when they could push someone easier like sky or kt. it's very towny in my eyes UNVOTE:
this is also a really interesting post. scum can and will push townie players in the game. like. that's how you can start a bus on a partner.
really? in my eyes it seems counterproductive to wagon me because literally no one's going to try and wagon me, scum would probably go for easier miselims imo
In post 568, patchwork wrote:
????? no? i'm just saying i'm basically universally townread, and scum would rather prefer to pursue a miselim that's easier to deal with, like targeting one of the inactives. however, aureal goes after me, which makes her vote seem more genuine and the whole iso is good too.
out me to the entire thread and hammer me
but it's weird that you're not even doing that?? like drew if you scumread me that much at least push me smh
you're basically just claiming i'm scum but not even telling me why you think so, that's really dumb
back up your claims with reasoning
speaking of sound arguments, furtive you have yet to quote posts from sky that ping you, i forgot about this but you can't just go "i sr her for vibes /shrug"
Uhh, slip number two in the bolded part?
Yeah, I noticed this too. How does town not know whether or not they scumslipped? Makes me feel more confident about my vote.
i literally made a joke and got accused of scumslipping???????
In post 568, patchwork wrote:
????? no? i'm just saying i'm basically universally townread, and scum would rather prefer to pursue a miselim that's easier to deal with, like targeting one of the inactives. however, aureal goes after me, which makes her vote seem more genuine and the whole iso is good too.
Whose ISO are you talking about here? Is this more talk about how towny you are?
In post 598, furtiveglance wrote:
I'm happy with my vote still. Can other people vote? If unsure, vote Skygazer with me.
furtive istg can you at least answer my question about what specifically pings you regarding her play
like you've just been dodging it
you can quote some posts that ping you,a t least, that's something u can do. right???
In post 610, Aureal wrote:
If you don't understand me you can just say that rather than making up some weird "TMI" nonsense. But I guess that wouldn't fit well enough into the games you're playing.
the tmi stuff is "who reads like they know too much about me"
and the only person who knows TMI are neighbors and scum
In post 598, furtiveglance wrote:
I'm happy with my vote still. Can other people vote? If unsure, vote Skygazer with me.
furtive istg can you at least answer my question about what specifically pings you regarding her play
like you've just been dodging it
you can quote some posts that ping you,a t least, that's something u can do. right???
In post 600, Lorne Malvo wrote:
patchwork has no idea about anything, let alone my alignment
????? excuse me
I thought it's funny because you give me naive-innocent child vibes
I will say that your posting can be described in three letters.
TMI
Just got hit with this vibe after reading this post.
'dREW DID IT BETTER' - T-Bone
'doctor drew our hero' - Shiki
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