Mini 2293: Death Note. Postgame!

[Kokichi Oma]

1. Gimli (Teru Mikami)

2. Kokichi Oma (Thierry Morrello)

3. HighPrincessErinys (Shuichi Aizawa)

4. Save The Dragons (Raye Penber)

(???)

5. KawaiiKame (Hideki Ide)

6. MegAzumarill (Quillsh Wammy)

7. Lorne Malvo (Mihael Keehl)

8. Black (???)

9. Malakittens (Soichiro Yagami)

10. Vanderscamp (L Lawliet)

Organizing thoughts visually a lil bit

Can you explain your scumread on me? I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.

[Black]

Now I'm thinking we just win if we flip Meg but them being Kira is mainly an associative feeling I have with Gimli being a follower. I'd be down to vote for either of these two today

I'm willing to vote Meg > Gimli

Why though? You just said you think Gimli is probably town, so what makes Meg Kira/follower to you?

[Kokichi Oma]

Now I'm thinking we just win if we flip Meg but them being Kira is mainly an associative feeling I have with Gimli being a follower. I'd be down to vote for either of these two today

I'm willing to vote Meg > Gimli

I want to hear what Meg's case is on me before I go there. Cause I remember I liked one thing Meg said recently but I forgot what exactly it was

[Black]

Like for me Meg is pretty clearly one of the most likely options to be Kira if Gimli is follower. But what is your reasoning if you don't think Gimli is follower?

[KawaiiKame]

@Kawaii can you explain again why you don't think Gimli can be a follower?

I think Gimli can be a follower, I'm focusing in on Kira

So you think Gimli is a follower and I'm Kira? Despite them trying very hard to get me voted out in the beginning? And I'm starting to think my reasoning for originally townreading you was wrong, but you're town regardless so it ended up working out.

I'm not saying Gimli is a follower, I'm saying Gimli could be a follower, why is your initial thinking wrong and why am I town either way to you?

[KawaiiKame]

Like for me Meg is pretty clearly one of the most likely options to be Kira if Gimli is follower. But what is your reasoning if you don't think Gimli is follower?

Since Meg can be Kira independent of Gimli's alignment, Gimli being town/follower is 50%/50% to me

[Gimli]

what's more likely, that meg thought that as a townie/follower, or as kira just to get a weird angle in which people think she is unlikely kira?

Thought what?

okay this is me towncasing meg. I just skimmed her ISO and I like all her mech ideas, I think they all come from solving and not from being scum and mech talking, they're game advancing and creative ideas that tend to come from town even if they're not all good fmpov.

one of those good smart posts is the 'for kira's eyes only' post. it's a sharp entrance into the game and is trying to advance wincon. you (black) shrug everything off as 'easy risk reward blablabla' because you're not reading things properly, imo.

re-read meg's post. ask yourself if this is something YOU would do as kira. then ask if the majority of players would ever think of doing something like it. are you sure the risk reward isn't here? because I tell you this, there are certainly many ways this could've gone wrong, imo.

meg can be a follower, just openly talking to kira ITT. but she won't be kira. and I think the blatant behaviour seems to come more from town imo.

here is the post so you can re-read it:

Spoiler: For kira's eyes only

You should definitely swap with me so I can kill people with the death note tonight.
I known it seems silly but consider the following pros and cons.

Pros

- If I am VT, it frames me and you appear innocent.
If I am a Kira follower, I would kill a townie and you would be fine.
If I am a power role, I'm likely killing a townie instead of whatever I'm supposed to be doing.
The frame is permanent.
It would be funny.
Literally noone would believe you actually did this and I would likely be limmed tomorrow for claiming it happened, assuming I am town.

Cons

There is an incredibly low chance you die to your own Death Note, although this would be a funny outcome.
You don't choose who dies n1.


Pros seem to be outweighing the cons here.
And I got my fanciest pen <3

[Kokichi Oma]

@Kawaii can you explain again why you don't think Gimli can be a follower?

I think Gimli can be a follower, I'm focusing in on Kira

So you think Gimli is a follower and I'm Kira? Despite them trying very hard to get me voted out in the beginning? And I'm starting to think my reasoning for originally townreading you was wrong, but you're town regardless so it ended up working out.

I'm not saying Gimli is a follower, I'm saying Gimli could be a follower, why is your initial thinking wrong and why am I town either way to you?

I'll save the 1st part for later on. But 2nd part because of your recent posting and solving seems obvious town.

[Kokichi Oma]

One thing I don't get about Meg is that they've had this scumread on me all game, yet they haven't even tried to case more or even push me much.

[KawaiiKame]

Now I'm thinking we just win if we flip Meg but them being Kira is mainly an associative feeling I have with Gimli being a follower. I'd be down to vote for either of these two today

I'm willing to vote Meg > Gimli

I want to hear what Meg's case is on me before I go there. Cause I remember I liked one thing Meg said recently but I forgot what exactly it was

I'm willing to see Meg's defense too, check back to see what you like if/when you can

Pedit:I need to see the creative/advancing ideas that feels solving to you in Meg's IS0 @Gimli

[Gimli]

if you think meg is a FOLLOWER, then you should hang lorne, not me

if you think meg is kira, then git gud

[Kokichi Oma]

what's more likely, that meg thought that as a townie/follower, or as kira just to get a weird angle in which people think she is unlikely kira?

Thought what?

okay this is me towncasing meg. I just skimmed her ISO and I like all her mech ideas, I think they all come from solving and not from being scum and mech talking, they're game advancing and creative ideas that tend to come from town even if they're not all good fmpov.

one of those good smart posts is the 'for kira's eyes only' post. it's a sharp entrance into the game and is trying to advance wincon. you (black) shrug everything off as 'easy risk reward blablabla' because you're not reading things properly, imo.

re-read meg's post. ask yourself if this is something YOU would do as kira. then ask if the majority of players would ever think of doing something like it. are you sure the risk reward isn't here? because I tell you this, there are certainly many ways this could've gone wrong, imo.

meg can be a follower, just openly talking to kira ITT. but she won't be kira. and I think the blatant behaviour seems to come more from town imo.

here is the post so you can re-read it:

Spoiler: For kira's eyes only

You should definitely swap with me so I can kill people with the death note tonight.
I known it seems silly but consider the following pros and cons.

Pros

- If I am VT, it frames me and you appear innocent.
If I am a Kira follower, I would kill a townie and you would be fine.
If I am a power role, I'm likely killing a townie instead of whatever I'm supposed to be doing.
The frame is permanent.
It would be funny.
Literally noone would believe you actually did this and I would likely be limmed tomorrow for claiming it happened, assuming I am town.

Cons

There is an incredibly low chance you die to your own Death Note, although this would be a funny outcome.
You don't choose who dies n1.


Pros seem to be outweighing the cons here.
And I got my fanciest pen <3

What do you think about Meg having me as a scumread all game so far and not even giving much of a reason. Even to this point they have not pushed at all. Is this what meg usually does with their scumreads? Just seems like a blanket read

[Kokichi Oma]

Honestly, we are getting too distracted by Kira vs Follower. Who cares. Just vote someone who is scummy. Trying to figure out exactly who Kira is at this point is 1/9 we will have better odds later on. We have 3/9 odds to hit scum if we stop just focusing on only voting Kira.

[KawaiiKame]

One thing I don't get about Meg is that they've had this scumread on me all game, yet they haven't even tried to case more or even push me much.

Failing to pursue someone when scumreading them is nai to me... any outside thing can be why they didn't pursue you, same with an internal lack of conviction, not everyone feels confident to pursue/is busy doing things, again we can ask Meg why she failed to pursue you, I want to see the reason why she scumeads you too

[Gimli]

I think you're playing like ass tbh and I think it makes sense that a bunch of people are SRing you

that's @kokichi

[Lorne Malvo]

1. Gimli (Teru Mikami)

2. Kokichi Oma (Thierry Morrello)

3. HighPrincessErinys (Shuichi Aizawa)

4. Save The Dragons (Raye Penber)

(???)

5. KawaiiKame (Hideki Ide)

6. MegAzumarill (Quillsh Wammy)

7. Lorne Malvo (Mihael Keehl)

8. Black (???)

9. Malakittens (Soichiro Yagami)

10. Vanderscamp (L Lawliet)

Organizing thoughts visually a lil bit

Wtf are these colors lol

[KawaiiKame]

Honestly, we are getting too distracted by Kira vs Follower. Who cares. Just vote someone who is scummy. Trying to figure out exactly who Kira is at this point is 1/9 we will have better odds later on. We have 3/9 odds to hit scum if we stop just focusing on only voting Kira.

Who is the 3 to you? You Kira to me

[Black]

you (black) shrug everything off as 'easy risk reward blablabla' because you're not reading things properly, imo.

I read it multiple times and I explained why Kira could easily write that. I mean look at the effect it had on you? "Meg is definitely not Kira for this" ...so yeah. The risk is minimal compared to the rewards which is literally coasting through the game being mechcleared from the most dangerous form of catching Kira (the investigation ability)

[Kokichi Oma]

I think you're playing like ass tbh and I think it makes sense that a bunch of people are SRing you

that's @kokichi

I think only Meg is at this point. And I guess Kawaii as well partially because I am the Ultimate Supreme Leader

[Gimli]

I think you're playing like ass tbh and I think it makes sense that a bunch of people are SRing you

that's @kokichi

I think only Meg is at this point. And I guess Kawaii as well partially because I am the Ultimate Supreme Leader

VOTE: kokichi

[Gimli]

all your posting is ass this game

I'm gone gbye

[Kokichi Oma]

Honestly, we are getting too distracted by Kira vs Follower. Who cares. Just vote someone who is scummy. Trying to figure out exactly who Kira is at this point is 1/9 we will have better odds later on. We have 3/9 odds to hit scum if we stop just focusing on only voting Kira.

Who is the 3 to you? You Kira to me

If your solving conclusion is that I have to be Kira, then I think you need to resolve the problem.

[KawaiiKame]

I think you're playing like ass tbh and I think it makes sense that a bunch of people are SRing you

Idk if Kokichi is playing ass, but that's not why I see Koki as Kira

[Kokichi Oma]

I think you're playing like ass tbh and I think it makes sense that a bunch of people are SRing you

Idk if Kokichi is playing ass, but that's not why I see Koki as Kira

It's just their way to justify voting me after saying I was townie

[KawaiiKame]

Honestly, we are getting too distracted by Kira vs Follower. Who cares. Just vote someone who is scummy. Trying to figure out exactly who Kira is at this point is 1/9 we will have better odds later on. We have 3/9 odds to hit scum if we stop just focusing on only voting Kira.

Who is the 3 to you? You Kira to me

If your solving conclusion is that I have to be Kira, then I think you need to resolve the problem.

Give me a resolution then, why does Kokichi ≠ Kira?