Weird Dreams Mafia I [Gone]

[Korina]

Additional VC

VC 1.9

Doctor Drew (3):

MegAzumarill, Botanical Rat, Clone

DragonEater70 (3):

Enchant, Gimli, Save the Dragons

Gimli (2):

Korina, Ranger

TemporalLich (1):

imaginality

imaginality (1):

TemporalLich

Botanical Rat (1):

Flea The Magician

Save The Dragons (1):

Morning Tweet

Flea The Magician (0):

Enchant (0):

Morning Tweet (0):

Nono (0):

Clone (0):

Ranger (0):

KawaiiKame (0):

MegAzumarill (0):

Empathice (0):

Kyoko Kirigiri (0):

Not Voting (7):

Nono, KawaiiKame, Doctor Drew, Kyoko Kirigiri, Empathice, DragonEater70

With

17

known votes, it takes

9

of them to achieve a majority.

Deadline is in:

(expired on 2023-03-22 16:20:00)

Moderator Notes:

Please let me know if there are any errors in any VCs. These are hard to make, and I am prone to errors as a result.

- Prodding Nono.

Nightmare

Kyoko Kirigi is voting for:

Kyoko Kirigiri (1), Flea the Magician (1)

Enchant is voting for:

Enchant (1)

MegAzumarill is voting for:

MegAzumarill (1)

imgainality is voting for:

imaginality (1), Morning Tweet (1), DragonEater70 (2), Enchant (2)

Save the Dragons is voting for:

Save the Dragons (3), Enchant (4), Gimli (3), Botanical Rat (3)

DragonEater70 is voting for:

Kyoko Kirigiri (+), KawaiiKame (x), TemporalLich (x), Empathice (x), DragonEater70 (x)

Ranger is voting for:

Save The Dragons (x), Doctor Drew (x), Botanical Rat (x), Empathice (x), TemporalLich (+), Ranger (+), DragonEater70 (+)

TemporalLich is voting for:

Save the Dragons (x), KawaiiKame (x), Kyoko Kirigiri (x), Gimli (+), Ranger (+)

Doctor Drew is voting for:

Gimli (+), MegAzumarill (+), Botanical Rat (+)

Morning Tweet is voting for:

DragonEater70 (+)

KawaiiKame is voting for:

Botanical Rat (x), Empathice (x), Kyoko Kirigiri (+), Ranger (+), Save the Dragons (+), TemporalLich (+), KawaiiKame (x)

Flea The Magician is voting for:

Flea The Magician (x), Gimli (x), Save The Dragons (+), Kyoko Kirigiri (x), TemporalLich (+)

Current tallies are:

Confirmed:

8 Votes:

7 Votes:

6 Votes:

5 Votes:

Botanical Rat, DragonEater70, Kyoko Kirigiri, Save The Dragons, TemporalLich

4 Votes:

Gimli

3 Votes:

KawaiiKame, Empathice, Ranger, Enchant

2 Votes:

Flea the Magician, MegAzumarill

1 Vote:

imaginality, Doctor Drew, Morning Tweet

With

17

votes present, it takes

9

of them to ensure someone runs the nightmare.

At day end, asnoetaeosnrtanoetanoe -

who knows anymore. This is not game relevant, but I can't be bothered to figure out who's running atm.

Please ignore my own key that I made to figure out votes. If you see a "(-)" by a name, that player did not keep voting that person, and you can safely ignore it because I didn't remove it from the version to post.

Pronoun Key

Korina - They/Them
Maruchan - She/Her
DragonEater70 - He/Him
Nono - No preference.
Clone - He/Him
Save The Dragons - He/Him
Botanical Rat - They/Them || He/She
Radical Rat - They/Them
biancospino - He/She
Gimli - He/Him
Ranger - She/Her
Flea The Magician - Fae/Faer
KawaiiKame - No preference.
MegAzumarill - No preference.
Doctor Drew - He/Him
TemporalLich - No preference.
Morning Tweet - She/Her
Enchant - No preference.
Empathice - He/They
imaginality - He/They
Kyoko Kirigiri - She/Her

[Korina]

This is a mod announcement that I will be V/LA on Monday, March 13th and Tuesday, March 14th due to me moving apartments. I will still be around to post one VC each day, and resolve questions if needed, and resolve a flip, but I will not be actively checking the forums very frequently. My Discord if you need it is Korina#0359

[Save The Dragons]

i had a weird dream that korina said that

[Morning Tweet]

HURT: TL

[Ranger]

I do wonder why Kawaii is so low, along with Morning.......and I have been lock town apparently, even I would say I haven't been blatant town.

Good vibes from you, MT isn't doing enough to be higher or lower, Kawaii I didn't townread and thought the townreads there were too generous, although overnight I've reconsidered. 305/320 doesn't feel like scum flattery. Options are scum impressed or town impressed; I lean the latter.

Also @everyone who tr's Botanical Rat and Doctor Drew: care to explain your TR's? I really don't see them.

Botanical Rat is meta on Radical Rat; meta leans town. Combine with my liking their content so far, and I'm comfortable with them that high. Doctor Drew is gut.

why is Enchant so low to you?

I disagree with the meta townread.

{Save The Dragons, Doctor Drew, Botanical Rat, Empathice}
{TemporalLich}
{DragonEater70}
{KawaiiKame, Kyoko Kirigiri}
{Clone, Flea The Magician}
{MegAzumarill}
{Morning Tweet}
{imaginality, KawaiiKame}
{Gimli}
{Enchant}

13.

[Ranger]

I understand some of you must be thinking 'well gimli is negative utility for town we can't keep him alive in ELO' and you'd be right
but hated is only part of my role, you know what I'm saying? you should keep me around :)

I don't doubt there's more to your role; that was a given.

I doubt your alignment being worth saving.

{Save The Dragons, Doctor Drew, Botanical Rat, Empathice}
{TemporalLich}
{DragonEater70}
{KawaiiKame}
{Kyoko Kirigiri}
{Clone, Flea The Magician}
{MegAzumarill}
{Gimli}
{Morning Tweet}
{imaginality}
{Enchant}

Stupid reason is stupid, but Gimli's engagement with Kyoko (as well as hers with him) didn't feel scum-motivated. Effort != Alignment, but my read isn't "Gimli efforted, therefore town" so much as it is, I don't think Gimli actually efforts like this in

this way

as scum.

[Doctor Drew]

you're really gonna make me have to play this d1 aren't you kyoko

hood <<<< vig, no? why would you prefer a hood over a vig instead?

You really shpuld be playing D1 when it's your town meta to be very active D1. Idk why town you wouldn't want to play D1.

This just screamed of 'hey fellow scum, don't act so scummy'

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Dragon

[Ranger]

I am going to have a look at some of the-less-recently-active players and see if I can spot scum there.

Elapsed time (Clone, imaginality) possibly helps, but you'll likely want By Posts (Clone, imaginality, Morning Tweet, Flea the Magician) instead.

{Doctor Drew, Botanical Rat, Empathice, TemporalLich, DragonEater70}
{KawaiiKame}
{Kyoko Kirigiri}
{Save The Dragons} (congratulations!)
{Clone}
{Gimli}
{Flea The Magician}
{Morning Tweet}
{imaginality}
{MegAzumarill}
{Enchant}

P15.

[Doctor Drew]

And TL, tbf I did say I think they are solid players, not that I was town reading them per se.

As I said in that post I thought I saw someone mention that you want the best solvers in there.

Though realize now that obviously I want them to be town.

And, definitely not sold on Gimli.

[Ranger]

{Doctor Drew, Botanical Rat, Empathice, TemporalLich, DragonEater70}
{KawaiiKame}
{Kyoko Kirigiri}
{Save The Dragons}
{Gimli}
{Flea The Magician}
{Morning Tweet}
{imaginality}
{Clone}
{MegAzumarill}
{Enchant}

Reconsidered, looking at Clone's post. (Less town than position warranted.)

[Save The Dragons]

I DID IT

[Save The Dragons]

i dunno what i did

[Doctor Drew]

i dunno what i did

IT

[Ranger]

i dunno what i did

I reconsidered the nature of your posts and the content within. I still feel town is rather likely, but there's doubts to be had where you easily could be scum. I'm still comfortable enough with you being in the Nightmare (it'd help refine the existing read, among other reasons), but you're not nearly as town in recent memory.

[Save The Dragons]

I did it I did it

[Gimli]

yeah we can kill clone based off that one terribad post

[Morning Tweet]

you're really gonna make me have to play this d1 aren't you kyoko

hood <<<< vig, no? why would you prefer a hood over a vig instead?

You really shpuld be playing D1 when it's your town meta to be very active D1. Idk why town you wouldn't want to play D1.

This just screamed of 'hey fellow scum, don't act so scummy'

VOTE: Dragon

Does it though? Wouldn't that be super on the nose? This just seems like the way it was phrased that is pinging you more than anything. like by saying "town!you" twice it seems slightly lecture-y in tone but other than that im not sure it implies anything about Dragon. He could have phrased that like "You're usually very active D1 as town" and it wouldnt read the way it does, at least to me

That being said i like this thought process though HURT: Drew

[Doctor Drew]

you're really gonna make me have to play this d1 aren't you kyoko

hood <<<< vig, no? why would you prefer a hood over a vig instead?

You really shpuld be playing D1 when it's your town meta to be very active D1. Idk why town you wouldn't want to play D1.

This just screamed of 'hey fellow scum, don't act so scummy'

VOTE: Dragon

Does it though? Wouldn't that be super on the nose? This just seems like the way it was phrased that is pinging you more than anything. like by saying "town!you" twice it seems slightly lecture-y in tone but other than that im not sure it implies anything about Dragon. He could have phrased that like "You're usually very active D1 as town" and it wouldnt read the way it does, at least to me

That being said i like this thought process though HURT: Drew

I bit on the nose yes for scum for scum, as I stewed on it a little bit more it seems more of a S v T thing.

I don't understand why town would say that though.

[Doctor Drew]

Post Edit: A bit......I didn't bite nothin

[Gimli]

DE just expects me to play harder than this since last game we played together I played it pretty hard and was hard TR'ed throughout

I'm just not finding my footing in this game much but I'm starting to come around in townreads and I might have a semi functioning POE in a bit

[Morning Tweet]

Spoiler: TL, Kyoko

Doctor Drew however is pretty solvey this game.

is he?

pedit: that post tells me "kyoko might be scum with her calculated pushes"

what part of it do you think is calculated?

is he?

uhh... I think so? maybe?

302 is what gives me the impression that Doctor Drew is "pretty solvey this game".

what part of it do you think is calculated?

gimli's post about your pushes makes me think they could be set up to try to get Gimli to slip up and become LHF - they seemed like okay and somewhat towny pushes before that post

There isn't a single read in post 302. what were they solving there?

so you say based on what gimli wrote, you got the impression that I was trying to set them up as an easy mislim and not sorting them? can you elaborate what you saw there that gave you this impression?

What are you trying to achieve here, Kyoko? There are three expressed townreads in post 302, to start off.

Your probing of TL feels unnecessarily aggressive in approach, why the questions..

Spoiler: Kyoko on Gimli

I actually am going to go ahead and do

VOTE: Gimli

I have a few questions for you:

1 - Is your hated modifier for all phases or just this one
2 - Imagine you were in the nightmare, what invention would you choose and why?
3 - How is your read on temporallich developing
4 - What is your take on how empath voted enchant. What do you think about the interactions surrounding his vote on enchant
5 - Who would you vote to hurt right now? Please write one sentence about each.

We need to verify your alibi, please show us your e-handbook!

I'm skimming p.13 etc a bit and agree some of my townreads could've been unwarranted and coming from informed places

I do like kyoko calling attention on that so I think she is more likely than not to be a townie.

pedit: that post tells me "kyoko might be scum with her calculated pushes"

On second thought, TL responding to this with "This seems like Kyoko is making a calculated push" but not elaborating on why was a pretty good invitation for questions. I can imagine why you may have been a bit extra suspicious in your questioning. So I can appreciate being proactive.

That being said, curious what exactly made you decide to let off of Gimli.

some of the questions kyoko made to me are not gonna provide answers that help her figure out my alignment

idk why she'd be suspicious of me being hated? I understand the modguess that this is a town role is too much, but like being suspicious about my role is a bit ????

I'm retracting my idea that her push was a >rand town thing, I think given the questions and the places where the suspicion is allegedly coming from, I think it can be a >rand scum thing instead

I like this post by Gimli. He has an instant reactive read (Kyoko is probably town because pushing me is hard, i assume they've played previously) which he posts instantly upon seeing her questioning.
Then an hour later after reflecting Gimli writes this post

I think Kyoko and Gimli having previously played together in a game that they probably both interacted in a lot adequately explains why this interaction is happening in the first place

Mmm... I think the content Kyoko is generating from Gimli is coming from a genuine place from both

Enchant is probably town too. But the way I'm getting there isn't because im convinced he's solving it's more that he's playing in an outspoken suspicious kind of way where he keeps giving what he's thinking no matter how bad it looks. I'm also kind of convinced he wants to control the Nightmare mechanic which seems like something he'd be more likely to want as town

HURT: TemporalLich, Drew, Kyoko, Gimli, Enchant

[Morning Tweet]

you're really gonna make me have to play this d1 aren't you kyoko

hood <<<< vig, no? why would you prefer a hood over a vig instead?

You really shpuld be playing D1 when it's your town meta to be very active D1. Idk why town you wouldn't want to play D1.

This just screamed of 'hey fellow scum, don't act so scummy'

VOTE: Dragon

Does it though? Wouldn't that be super on the nose? This just seems like the way it was phrased that is pinging you more than anything. like by saying "town!you" twice it seems slightly lecture-y in tone but other than that im not sure it implies anything about Dragon. He could have phrased that like "You're usually very active D1 as town" and it wouldnt read the way it does, at least to me

That being said i like this thought process though HURT: Drew

I bit on the nose yes for scum for scum, as I stewed on it a little bit more it seems more of a S v T thing.

I don't understand why town would say that though.

"As town here I would have expected you to be more ..."
"Town!you is usually...."

etc

it just seems like ap hrasing thing. I could have written that dragon post without another thought. i think its a coincidence that it can be construed as a scum budy direcrtly talking to scum (or scum directly talking to town). So in other words NAI since i prolly wouldnt even think about it.

[Doctor Drew]

I played with Gimli and Kyoko in said recent game.

I will say that thinking of that games reminds me of townGimli, he isn't afraid to point out when he thinks he was incorrect.

Pre Edit: Slips are usually subtle

[Korina]

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