Micro 1073: Purgatory - Game Over!

[Alianna]

1.04

Votecount 1.04

Arko (3):

Vanderscamp, Oclaxian Empire, Bellaphant.

BloodB0t (1):

Ranger.

Not Voting (5):

KawaiiKame, AurorusVox, Aisa, Arko, BloodB0t.

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to condemn someone to the fiery pits of

hell

.

The phase deadline is in (expired on 2023-03-16 19:40:55).

[Ranger]

My read on Ranger is contingent on what Arko is at the moment, I think.

Bad approach tbh. My reads are fluid. Write a case on what makes Arko scum and I'll listen. You can convince me. I simply haven't been, because Arko's content is by far the towniest in the game imo.

"you and arko can't be scum, but even if you flip town, i don't think arko is scum still bc arko's the towniest slot in the game"

This is a very interesting way of wording it.
It's simultaneously stating I'm town (163; "has determined", "won't reevaluate"; those aren't phrases used to describe a scum player, those are phrases describing a town player), while also taking the least-flattering reading of my 149.

I believe Arko-OE have interactions strongly indicating they're not scum-scum. Scum-town's possible. Town-scum's possible. Town-town's possible. Never scum-scum.
Separately, Arko is my strongest townread rn.
Separately, Oclaxian Empire's content has overall been suspect, enough to be a main scum candidate.
Arko isn't town because of OE being scum. The three points had no connection. Stating they did connect is somewhat disingenuous.

[Ranger]

the convo with Ox again didn't vibe right: I ended up tr-ing the ox slot ans not feeling anything more about arko, which tends to be one of my red flags for scum: they end up feeling 'grey'.

The exact opposite was mine. I came out of that convo with more town on Arko and nothing more on Ox.

Why is OE not scum with Arko? Anything more to your TR on Arko? He's been your top TR even before the the interaction with OE. So I guess that was just vibes?

74 is not a scum theater post. The "I'm done with you" is a genuine interaction. OE can be scum, OE can be town, but regardless OE isn't scum with Arko thanks to it.

Your interactions with OE were notably different than Arko's, mutually so. The treatment of Arko felt organic. The treatment with you felt artificial and forced.

As for Arko, I've vibed with them from the beginning. First page was just vibes of rvs + liking their mechtalk; the townread started in earnest from 26. Specifically,

Also- I'm betting now that one of the non-posters is a sinner. the other 2 are probably within this group of 7 though as you could probably obviously tell.

I loved this thought process.

I liked the engagement in 41.
I liked the sentiment of 43/48/61/65.
54 is an approach I feel comes from a town mindset.
The explanation of 69 is an approach which is nai, but the context of sharing it makes me lean town. (Someone explaining their philosophy is nai in of itself. The context behind explaining the philosophy can be ai, in this case, +town.)
I felt 118 was a good approach upon returning to the thread.
154 is not a scum post.

There's good reason Arko's my top townread.
Near as I can tell, there's no reason for Arko to be scum.

[Oclaxian Empire]

once again tho - activity this early in the game is meaningless. that’s the entire point. it was what, two pages in the game?

about 15hrs had passed at that point and game started at abt noon cst, meaning that it’s super possible that someone could’ve seen it, been at work and hasn’t had a chance to respond. or been asleep, got up for work, seen it and couldn’t respond.

the fact a post like that came 15 fucking hours after game start and is a basis of a tr is abysmal. i think either ur a partner with arko, or scum trying to pocket arko.

[Oclaxian Empire]

It's simultaneously stating I'm town (163; "has determined", "won't reevaluate"; those aren't phrases used to describe a scum player, those are phrases describing a town player), while also taking the least-flattering reading of my 149

this does not say ur town. this says ur scum bc you know what my alignment is.

VOTE: ranger

idc, i want u dead.

[Oclaxian Empire]

the game is white flag. it's more than plausible for one member to just blatantly openwolf and do whatever the fuck they want, and i think that's what ur doing.

[AurorusVox]

Morning.
UNVOTE:
Ok... 3 Votes on ox already is way too quick. It took you guys only like 12 hours past my original vote. plus, BB was against ox too so they might of voted/hammered also. That's way too quick for a game with 3 scum vs 6.

Not sure I buy this panic tbh

If scum orchestrated a quick hammer on someone at e-2 are they not just handing us the easy win since we only need to send 2 of them to hell?

Also it’s weird to me that you were focusing on ox making e-2 quickly when you were also at e-2 at the time and in fact still are?

Yes I'm E-2. I can't change that. It's bad. However, I could change ox being E-2. So I did. Found it too early when we have so much time left. If they end up acting scummier or they are on track to death, yes, I may revote them.

Like. What?

Of course you can change that, by defending the points levied against you or doing some scumhunting?

Ps I went back to iso you to see if your done these things, you offered some defence of “technically” and said you meant you were NAI for looking at “technical” reasons but that’s not how the word is used in context so this stinks of trying to cover up a mistake to me

Like how can “technically NAI” mean “NAI for technical speculation”???

Also I saw this

I think that might be E-2 By the way, let them breath for some time before voting them.

You put ox at e-2 or at least thought you did and now only later have you come back to say putting them at e-2 was shaky and too quick???

Ranger like wtf why do you townread this?

VOTE: arko

Pedit: E-2 again

[Oclaxian Empire]

i’ll hammer arko, but i’d like ranger more tbh.

[Ranger]

once again tho - activity this early in the game is meaningless. that’s the entire point. it was what, two pages in the game?

I made no reference to activity in my townread. Where are you getting the idea my townread on Arko has anything to do with activity? Certainly not from anything I've said!

My argument is off of the content within and believing the content is town. The thought process was the important part. The solving was the important part. Not the activity. The divide might seem a bit arbitrary, but I felt the divide came from a town mindset of trying to figure out where scum were. For a post that early, it's as town as town players can get.

[Ranger]

i think either ur a partner with arko, or scum trying to pocket arko.

Oh? How interesting you use this as an argument against me!

"you and arko can't be scum, but even if you flip town, i don't think arko is scum still bc arko's the towniest slot in the game"

You seemed quite opposed to this argument when

*I*

was the one you thought was making it against

you

.

You are saying I'm scum regardless of Arko's alignment (partner with Arko = I'm scum, scum trying to pocket Arko = I'm scum),
In the exact same way you

objected

to me saying Arko was town regardless of yours. ("Arko isn't scum with Oclaxian, Arko isn't scum when Oclaxian is town".)

Care to explain the discrepancy?

[Ranger]

It's simultaneously stating I'm town (163; "has determined", "won't reevaluate"; those aren't phrases used to describe a scum player, those are phrases describing a town player), while also taking the least-flattering reading of my 149

this does not say ur town. this says ur scum bc you know what my alignment is.

Wording's important.

You didn't say "Ranger

knows

our alignment and has

decided

to not reevaluate".

You said,

it just makes me feel like ranger has very deterministically decided what alignment we are, and what arko is, and not gonna re-evaluate.

"Ranger

decided

our alignment, and

is not

going to reevaluate".

The difference between these is the difference between calling me scum and calling me town.

The former would have been calling me scum. If you stated you thought I KNEW your alignment, you'd be stating by implication I'm scum.

The latter is what you did, and is calling me town. You stated I DECIDED your alignment.

Scum don't decide the alignment of other players. (Town do.)
Scum know the alignment of other players.

Your reference to me

deciding

rather than

knowing

your alignment.

It's not semantics--it's a scumslip.

VOTE: Oclaxian Empire.

[Ranger]

Ranger like wtf why do you townread this?

Happy scumday but perhaps try reading.

I've stated why I feel Arko isn't scum with Oclaxian Empire.
I've stated Oclaxian Empire is one of my stronger scumreads. (Admittedly, I need to explain this scumread.)

I've stated my reasons for townreading Arko.

I've also stated I don't see any reason for scumreading Arko. The reasons I've seen have all seemed trash.

[Oclaxian Empire]

cool kill me and see i’m town. when i die, you get killed hell 2.

[Oclaxian Empire]

here actually, lemme help u with that goal:

VOTE: oclax

[Oclaxian Empire]

i’m not reading what u say anymore ranger bc ur posts make me irrationally angry for some godforsaken reason, so i’m gonna let kori interact w/ u and ignore u.

[Ranger]

{Arko}
{Aisa, Vanderscamp}
{Bellaphant}
{AurorusVox}
{KawaiiKame}
{BloodB0t}
{Oclaxian Empire}

I still vibe with this, but 184 + 185(backed by 176) are huge.

I believe Oclaxian Empire demonstrated a lack of internal consistency in their thoughts. This is

maybe

explainable depending on the individuals who did the posts and their internal communication system. If they weren't talking to each other and if it was two different people in the system posting, it could come from town. So I'm not saying that alone makes a smoking gun.

The scumslip does though. It was possible Oclaxian Empire was simply stating "Yes, I think you're town, who determined my alignment and won't reevaluate".

Was

, but with Oclaxian Empire having denied this as what they meant, and insisting it meant the opposite, meant any benefit of the doubt was removed.

Oclaxian Empire didn't say I

knew

their alignment, accusing me of being scum.
Oclaxian Empire said I

determined

their alignment, which is a slip of the tongue revealing they know I am town.

[Oclaxian Empire]

Ranger. Please look at how Vex Vience talks, and how Korina talks. Grim has been primarily posting, and I'm now posting.

We've had zero discussion around this game. I don't really care to reply to you currently because I'm about to be V/LA tomorrow.

VOTE: Arko

E-1, so my vote the next two days isn't useless.

[Oclaxian Empire]

I don't care about this game currently, because Grim had the primary stake in playing the game.

I think you're scum. I don't like any of your posting, and I especially don't like how you're trying to defend Arko.

I think you should always die before ELO, and I think we should always die before ELO.

[Oclaxian Empire]

I'm leaving now.

[Vanderscamp]

Maybe I’ll regret saying this in 2 hours’ time, but Vanders can have a townread for now…
*trembles like a leaf*

I like the lemon too but I haven’t thought about it as hard. (The lemon is AurorusVox.)

Why is giving me a townread terrifying?

[Vanderscamp]

My read on Ranger is contingent on what Arko is at the moment, I think.

Bad approach tbh. My reads are fluid. Write a case on what makes Arko scum and I'll listen. You can convince me. I simply haven't been, because Arko's content is by far the towniest in the game imo.

"you and arko can't be scum, but even if you flip town, i don't think arko is scum still bc arko's the towniest slot in the game"

This is a very interesting way of wording it.
It's simultaneously stating I'm town (163; "has determined", "won't reevaluate"; those aren't phrases used to describe a scum player, those are phrases describing a town player), while also taking the least-flattering reading of my 149.

I believe Arko-OE have interactions strongly indicating they're not scum-scum. Scum-town's possible. Town-scum's possible. Town-town's possible. Never scum-scum.
Separately, Arko is my strongest townread rn.
Separately, Oclaxian Empire's content has overall been suspect, enough to be a main scum candidate.
Arko isn't town because of OE being scum. The three points had no connection. Stating they did connect is somewhat disingenuous.

Can you explain why Arko's stuff is by far the towniest of everyone?
Because it's not obvious to me what he's done that's been super towny.

[Vanderscamp]

Oh, I see you've just explained it.

From your explanation I feel like your townread is TMI.
I don't believe that you have individual townreads on all of those Arko posts.

[Vanderscamp]

Morning.
UNVOTE:
Ok... 3 Votes on ox already is way too quick. It took you guys only like 12 hours past my original vote. plus, BB was against ox too so they might of voted/hammered also. That's way too quick for a game with 3 scum vs 6.

Not sure I buy this panic tbh

If scum orchestrated a quick hammer on someone at e-2 are they not just handing us the easy win since we only need to send 2 of them to hell?

Also it’s weird to me that you were focusing on ox making e-2 quickly when you were also at e-2 at the time and in fact still are?

Yes I'm E-2. I can't change that. It's bad. However, I could change ox being E-2. So I did. Found it too early when we have so much time left. If they end up acting scummier or they are on track to death, yes, I may revote them.

Like. What?

Of course you can change that, by defending the points levied against you or doing some scumhunting?

Ps I went back to iso you to see if your done these things, you offered some defence of “technically” and said you meant you were NAI for looking at “technical” reasons but that’s not how the word is used in context so this stinks of trying to cover up a mistake to me

Like how can “technically NAI” mean “NAI for technical speculation”???

Also I saw this

I think that might be E-2 By the way, let them breath for some time before voting them.

You put ox at e-2 or at least thought you did and now only later have you come back to say putting them at e-2 was shaky and too quick???

Ranger like wtf why do you townread this?

VOTE: arko

Pedit: E-2 again

I'm interested in this too.

[Vanderscamp]

here actually, lemme help u with that goal:

VOTE: oclax

Stop

[Vanderscamp]

I don't care about this game currently, because Grim had the primary stake in playing the game.

I think you're scum. I don't like any of your posting, and I especially don't like how you're trying to defend Arko.

I think you should always die before ELO, and I think we should always die before ELO.

I don't want you to die before ELO, I think your posts this page have been very towny.

I agree with you about that post of Ranger's being scummy, but for a different reason.

I think if Ranger had a super strong townread on Arko where they townread basically every post Arko has made this game, I think they would open with that and not the associative read of you two not being together.