Micro 1075: The Coalition of Imaginary Creatures (Game over)

[Umlaut]

UNVOTE: Deltabreedy again since my other unvote was behind spoiler tags

[Bingle]

This on the other hand is a bad read

Are you saying the chainsaw wasn't AI or that what I actually got from the chainsaw wasn't valid? Cause I think we're on the same page now but I want to double check.

[Umlaut]

Still like everyone in my coalition for town overall (NSG, Keychain, Dunnstral), maybe slipping a bit on Dunnstral out of what-have-you-done-for-me-lately.

Also like Delta for town now, as much as he doesn't want "newb" reads I think his read on NSG early on makes more sense from that perspective.

Bingle and patchwork are meh, Kame is scummy, and who can tell about N_M.

HEAL: Deltabreedy

Pedit:

@226 I think of "chainsaw" as being the name of a scumtell so I thought you were scumreading Dunnstral for that post when I read it. Seeing that that's not what you meant, I don't have a problem with the post.

[Umlaut]

Actually Bingle is a bit better than Dunnstral overall

HURT: Dunnstral
HEAL: Bingle

[Not_Mafia]

If I have to do a riddle every time they make a point or cast a vote, then I'm going to policy lim them purely for being unreadable. I can't scumhunt with this utterly opaque anti-town shitposting in my face.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Maybe get better at scumhunting?

[Bingle]

"chainsaw" as being the name of a scumtell

Theoretically it is, but it's a shitty scumtell.

[Deltabreedy]

N_M's posting makes me literally want to not play the game

[Not_Mafia]

Who are you scumreading right now?

[Bingle]

Hm. I wonder if they got rid of the old custom double hurt tags.

HURT WITH A BLADE: test

Excellent.

[Not_Mafia]

[hurt3]Not_Mafia[/hurt3]

[Keychain]

Ok I saw that reaction coming between Delta and N_M I'm not a fan of policy elims though, and we need a coalition first anyway. Hi N_M, why so long before an appearance?

(I get it but it's annoying to take one night off Mafia and see people react this way)

Yeah that's fair, I didn't really take the time to check how long it had been and think about timezones etc before making that comment so it was definitely based entirely on my feeling.

Also boo bad internet connection ate my post

[Not_Mafia]

Hi N_M, why so long before an appearance?

I was busy when I got the daystart PM and then forgot about the game later

[Keychain]

did you just spontaneously remember or were you prodded?

Also I passed my first aid course!

[Not_Mafia]

I remembered

[Keychain]

I was about to assume that made you town but not sure if a scum buddy would have been able to get your attention either. I guess quoting a random post of yours from somewhere else would give you a notification.

[Deltabreedy]

So you'll answer perfectly normally to others but you'll answer me in riddles and memes?

[Deltabreedy]

I don't have a strong scumread, but I'll say that I wouldn't want Umlaut, Patch, Kawaii or Northside in a coalition. I can't fathom why town would play the way that N_M would, but it's a WIFOM hole to look at and try to define N_M's alignment so I wouldn't want them in a coalition either.

Im undecided on Dunnstral.

[Not_Mafia]

It depends on how you engage and I don't recall posting any riddles, but if you insist

Three gods A, B, and C are called, in no particular order, True, False, and Random. True always speaks truly, False always speaks falsely, but whether Random speaks truly or falsely is a completely random matter. Your task is to determine the identities of A, B, and C by asking three yes-no questions; each question must be put to exactly one god. The gods understand English, but will answer all questions in their own language, in which the words for yes and no are da and ja[3], in some order. You do not know which word means which.

[Not_Mafia]

Why northside? the others I can understand

[Deltabreedy]

ABWOP: But I would put dunnstral in before any of the others that I don't want in at this stage.

Ninja'd: I don't neccessarily have a scumread on Northside but I'm not sure enough of their alignment to say yes to them entering my coalition. The play from earlier in the day whilst I no-longer outright scumread them, doesn't neccessarily convince me that they're town either.

[Not_Mafia]

Why do you find Bingle towny?

[Deltabreedy]

Vibes, mostly.

[northsidegal]

delta, i know that you don't appreciate being called "newbtown", but if you'll allow me to explain something that i think i've noticed you're doing that i think is a mistake newer players tend to make (and apologies if i come across as condescending in doing so), i feel as though you've been assuming in this game that anyone who is being unhelpful or otherwise unexplanatory is scum. on the whole, i'm of the opinion that this is a fairly bad heuristic for determining scum. even if we look back at the start of this game, your scumread on me seems to stem from me basically just making a joke to you instead of re-explaining what one of my posts meant.

if i were scum this game, having already recognized all of this, instead of explaining it to you right now i would just try to be as maximally helpful and explanatory as possible to you to try to pocket you. i think the same could be said for most experienced players. scum

want

people to like them and townread them, so actually i would consider it more common for them to try to make maximally helpful posts (like keychain), as well as specifically always making a point to try to make sure that their fake reads (and especially fake read changes) come across as having a consistent reason. you'll find that "anti-town" play probably comes far far more often from town than it does scum.

this isn't to imply that anyone who is unhelpful or doesn't explain their reads is inherently town (especially NM, who as i said earlier defies a lot of rules), just wanted to point out something i noticed.

[Deltabreedy]

Ninja'd:

I don't neccessarily have a scumread on Northside but I'm not sure enough of their alignment to say yes to them entering my coalition.

Whilst I appreciate the advice, this is exactly the kind of thing I was looking to avoid with the newbtown comment. The advice delegitimises my points that I don't currently townread you, even though I've expressed no more than 3 posts above that I don't scumread you.

[northsidegal]

i didn't really make that post with the intention of getting you to stop scumreading me, i made it with the intention of pointing out what—in my estimation—seems to be a false belief that you hold and use to make reads off of.