Micro 1075: The Coalition of Imaginary Creatures (Game over)

[Keychain]

Is that the main source of your scumread on me north?

Also sorry Delta, she's right in that you absolutely would be

the

buddy mark for me this game for sure if I were scum here, as you do seem to push things that feel "antitown" like being confusing and you respond well to explanations. regardless of if you're new or not

[Not_Mafia]

If I were scum I'd be buddying River right now, like Bingle is

[northsidegal]

Though I understand you didn't actually use the heuristic, being put in the "more inactive" half of the game because I try to condense my thoughts instead of bloating pages with one thought per post rankles a bit

ha, i've felt the exact same way before

why do you specifically want bingle excluded?

did you just spontaneously remember or were you prodded?

Also I passed my first aid course!

I remembered

to angleshoot this a little bit, assuming that NM is telling the truth about just randomly remembering, i imagine that if he had posted in the mafia PT before the game started he probably would have realized the game had started earlier. something to think about. (hopefully site rules haven't been updated to the point where i can't say this)

also, congrats on passing keychain!

[Deltabreedy]

No the point is that I already had stopped scumreading you, but by reaching out with advice, whilst I get it, it now is going to be a convenient thing to just say 'oh they're newbtown' whenever I make a case and because that's been the read from more than one person, it's going to be a compelling stick with which to beat my argument.

Honestly it's more disheartening than anything because I've got years of playing Mafia under my belt, so to have the things I said read as Newbtown and potentially summararily dismissed is really annoying tbh. NAI I think, but annoying.

Ninja'd: My god stop calling me River it's very literally not my name. You can't even back up your scumread with a vote because you haven't voted me yet!

[Deltabreedy]

Nah this is ridiculous tbh

[northsidegal]

Is that the main source of your scumread on me north?

the main source of my scumread on you at this point is that this is the first time that you've even acknowledged that i have been scumreading you, even though i've brought it up in some way about every third post of mine.

[Deltabreedy]

That's three people now who are pretty committed to newb-reading anything I say. Any argument I make can now quite easily be countered because a third of the playerbase now holding that narrative. There scarcely seems a point to me playing, there's now a ready-made argument against anything I say from now to game end.

[Not_Mafia]

No the point is that I already had stopped scumreading you, but by reaching out with advice, whilst I get it, it now is going to be a convenient thing to just say 'oh they're newbtown' whenever I make a case and because that's been the read from more than one person, it's going to be a compelling stick with which to beat my argument.

Honestly it's more disheartening than anything because I've got years of playing Mafia under my belt, so to have the things I said read as Newbtown and potentially summararily dismissed is really annoying tbh. NAI I think, but annoying.

Ninja'd: My god stop calling me River it's very literally not my name. You can't even back up your scumread with a vote because you haven't voted me yet!

You're new to this site though and the play here and you're reacting to the play here in a very newbtown manner

[Deltabreedy]

*snip*
You're new to this site though and the play here and you're reacting to the play here

in a very newbtown manner

I'm your biggest scumread according to your 'vote'.

[Not_Mafia]

That's three people now who are pretty committed to newb-reading anything I say. Any argument I make can now quite easily be countered because a third of the playerbase now holding that narrative. There scarcely seems a point to me playing, there's now a ready-made argument against anything I say from now to game end.

That's the game, deal with it and make better arguments next time

[Not_Mafia]

*snip*
You're new to this site though and the play here and you're reacting to the play here

in a very newbtown manner

I'm your biggest scumread according to your 'vote'.

Just because I'm voting you doesn't mean I'm scumreading you

[northsidegal]

{nsg}
{delta}
{bingle}
{patchwork, NM}
{dunnstral}
{kame, keychain, umlaut}

[Keychain]

to angleshoot this a little bit, assuming that NM is telling the truth about just randomly remembering, i imagine that if he had posted in the mafia PT before the game started he probably would have realized the game had started earlier. something to think about. (hopefully site rules haven't been updated to the point where i can't say this)

Yeah that's what I was thinkingish and decided

probably

not in 239 but still... it's pretty compelling

re Bingle, I'm a hypocrite but it's because I'm getting too many coaching/helpfulness vibes from him

Is that the main source of your scumread on me north?

the main source of my scumread on you at this point is that this is the first time that you've even acknowledged that i have been scumreading you, even though i've brought it up in some way about every third post of mine.

why would I address it? I think you generally have good reads. If you're town I think you'll probably correct yourself over time without me needing to try and convince you. If you're scum you're scum. what else is there to say except it would be hilarious if you were town and eliminated me D1? That's what I've mostly been thinking about your read which isn't game productive

[Keychain]

That's three people now who are pretty committed to newb-reading anything I say. Any argument I make can now quite easily be countered because a third of the playerbase now holding that narrative. There scarcely seems a point to me playing, there's now a ready-made argument against anything I say from now to game end.

Patchwork and kawaii joined last month (though I don't know their prev mafia experience), do you regard their reads as less important than your own or anyone else's on that basis? I think you bring clarity to the game in any case even if I don't agree with the reason for your reads/votes, by the way you react and the way people react to you, which I find really helpful

[Not_Mafia]

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[northsidegal]

why would I address it? I think you generally have good reads. If you're town I think you'll probably correct yourself over time without me needing to try and convince you. If you're scum you're scum. what else is there to say except it would be hilarious if you were town and eliminated me D1? That's what I've mostly been thinking about your read which isn't game productive

i have serious doubts that this would be your true opinion / behavior if you were town.

maybe

in another setup where there was just a d1 elimination and you assumed that i wouldn't push super hard for you to be it, sure. but in this setup particularly, if you are town, it is actually fairly important for other townies to recognize as such. i do not think that this is a fact which escapes you. i even went so far as to say that "i will never be okay with a coalition passing which includes keychain".

maybe i just have some complex, but if someone said that about me, i would at least

ask them

about it. it seems like the kind of thing that at least needs to be addressed, because i

know for a fact

that i'm town, and someone that i know being town being included in the coalition makes the game a lot easier for me. what i wouldn't do is just do nothing, expecting them to eventually change their mind. i

especially

wouldn't do that if i had a large amount of faith in their reads. if that were the case, i think that i would be even more likely to say something, because someone who should be getting something right is making a mistake.

[northsidegal]

HEAL: delta

[Keychain]

This might be a you thing, because for me it's backwards. I find getting tangled in arguments whether I'm town with someone is a waste of my time since addressing it directly often entrenches them further in their read without improving my own - it doesn't personally help me read them. As scum I'm a lot more antsy about being scumread because I know they're right so I squirm more.

Also, you're not pushing except to not have me in the coalition. Sure I'd like to be in it because maths, but chances of the coalition passing aren't high so I doubt the game is going to end there anyway.

But if you'd like me to explicitly defend myself so you can correct your read - the most obvious point to me that I'm posting off the cuff far more than I'd normally be comfortable with in a game with players I'm familiar with. Bingle commented on frantic energy early on, which is true, but it would be less visible as scum because I'd channel it into the scum pt. I'd post much more slowly and carefully because I'm an anxious mess as scum who hides it with carefully constructed cases.

[Not_Mafia]

If we choose a mafia coalition, is everyone outside the coalition eliminated?

[KawaiiKame]

- the most obvious point to me that I'm posting off the cuff far more than I'd normally be comfortable with in a game with players I'm familiar with

I'm getting this flow of consciousness feel with you which is why I'm town reading you I feel

[KawaiiKame]

If we choose a mafia coalition, is everyone outside the coalition eliminated?

No it becomes a game of mafia, you eliminate scum b4 scum eliminates town, game continues as usual

[Keychain]

... What is a mafia coalition

[KawaiiKame]

... What is a mafia coalition

A coalition with mafia in it I'm assuming

[Not_Mafia]

So we just get a list of 5 players that has at least one scum in it?

[Keychain]

Ah I was thinking a coalition with all mafia, that makes more sense. Yeah but 1 in 5 is not improved odds from 2 in 9... unless I can't do maths

- the most obvious point to me that I'm posting off the cuff far more than I'd normally be comfortable with in a game with players I'm familiar with

I'm getting this flow of consciousness feel with you which is why I'm town reading you I feel

Thanks! the lack of it from you is why I'm scumreading you