Election! | GAME OVER

[Alisae]

I'll probably vote Alisae today

but why

[Alisae]

The team is so obviously GL/Sheep/Unowen how can you not see this

[Alisae]

How can you like anything GL posted this phase
he's not looking for truth here and everything he's posted has been very likely to come from a wolf here

[Alisae]

even winding back to the whole "performative" thing which Alisae brought up again just now and definitely escalated everything at daystart

if you're town and you post 3883 and 3884, "WHAT THE FUCK" in all caps, how can you be surprised if someone thinks you're playing it up and faking your emotions? and that's not to say Alisae definitively was or wasn't faking their emotions, like town can be performative, town can be manipulative, town can yell in all caps, I'm definitely a bit performative and manipulative as town, but it's the way e then

denies

it, like 3989, "tries to sell the picture that I'm just some crazy maniac screaming their heads off to other players.", I did not make Alisae enter the thread and post "WHAT THE FUCK" or "I'M ANGRY" (3896)! like e did that, not me!

maybe this is personality and not alignment indicative but if I got fake guilted or my slot looked compromised as a result of night actions, I would

understand

that people are going to suspect me. even knowing I was framed, I think I personally would be a lot more aware that I'm under a microscope and some people are going to think I'm insincere. I'm not trying to tone police or say there's a correct reaction, I'm really not, my issue is more that I feel it's entirely reasonable to see a guilty looking person say "WHAT THE FUCK" and think it feels fake, but Alisae thinks my response is wolf-indicative. like would it be townier for me to just be like, "gosh Alisae, you seem so surprised! you must be innocent!" like is that the thought process there?

also, this whole thing reminded me of furtive's bullshit with "stop capsing" on D1. furtive, why haven't you had any issues with Alisae's caps posting today?

you know what this is and why this is nefarious
I think it's emotionally manipulative.
LLD is low wim, on tilt, and lurking.
So like I imagine GL is just trying to emotionally compromise LLD here

[Alisae]

is really weird as like something that doesnt even mean STD is any more likely a villager in this game, the way it's phrased

but it's still used as like an active defense of the slot

Yes he's a villager
I don't think STD's play from d2 to now has been wolf indicative.
The only thing I can see is D1 where he was pushing meowth but also shopping for alternatives but I think days D2-D4 have been townie for STD

[Alisae]

if STD was a wolf I imagine we see more of him on D3

[Alisae]

this argument is legitmately making my eyes glaze over

You wanna know why that is btw?
It’s because as soon as I posted the correct solve gl comes out of the woodwork w/ a lot of unnecessary stuff to hide it

[Alisae]

The team is gl/sheep/unowen

[furtiveglance]

The team is so obviously GL/Sheep/Unowen how can you not see this

I don't think this team makes sense with D1 voting

[Alisae]

The team is so obviously GL/Sheep/Unowen how can you not see this

I don't think this team makes sense with D1 voting

Fuck d1 man
You get better reads just by reading everything else

[Alisae]

Just read this day phase and see what those 3 players are doing
Anything that is happening during this day phase is likely to be way more alignment indicative than d1

[Alisae]

Like throw that shit in the fucking garbage and just look at your surroundings

[Alisae]

Something I very distinctly remembered is that on D2 Furtive was calling Bloodbot obvtown while GL was trying to attack Sheep. I think GL also attacked bloodbot for declaring board d1?
Anyway I think GL putting sheep in the fos pool but never really exploring the option could just be strategic positioning/distancing.

Now that I think about it, I don't think GL really went for Sheep on D3 either? If anything I think GL spent that day phase pretending like he was wolf hunting.

Also, normally when one (Sheep) says they want to go ISO someone they do it immediately after they posted and I feel like Sheep has never really attempted to actually go through that? Probably because he never felt like he needed to and I think the last time I saw him replace in he was more willing to try to trudge through that?

Anyway this brings us to this day phase.

Sheep declares cop to oppose me which is what I think a wolf!GL would want ideally.

Sheep also echo's GL with "I don't think GL has any points mechanically but I do think Ali is performative" which is????????????
All of the takes that I'm performative are likely just coming from wolves here.

I don't think Sheep has ever given it a fair shot at trying to actually sort me.

Did you even read this post

[Alisae]

Like I’m sorry furtive but your std read is fucking dogshit

[Alisae]

You would have to be blind to not see that wolves have complete control of this day phase

[Alisae]

Like gl thinks that me omgusing him is wolf indicative

[Alisae]

How are we taking anything this player says seriously???

[Alisae]

GL first said xof scum slipped, then they shopped other options, then they said they were willing to sheep porky on xof, then xof flipped town

Gl then said that Ircher townslipped, then they pretended to scumhunt that and then eventually they compromised on Ircher

This is how you fake scumhunting.
You look like you’re doing things but it turns out you’re not actually doing things and you let town talk you into voting town

[kdowns]

We got to the phase where people are allowed to start the murder

But where is the murder???????

Wow
is that THE Great Mafiauniverse player Kdowns????

No way!

Lmao. Oh you’re in for a surprise here.

Also still reading sorry!

[furtiveglance]

Sheep could be a wolf yeah I can see it

[Bingle]

frankly most of it really truly is that I don't believe it's anywhere near as likely that scum have a strongman or RBer as it is Alisae is just a wolf. like that's just how my brain sees these situations, the simple explanation with the most immediate evidence is one I trust, for me it's a big hurdle to go

"well what if scum also have a way to counter a doc"

. I also don't like how Alisae tried to source the opening post as if that definitively proved the existence of counterplay when all it says is the most generic text about "abilities" to "effect" the game

Why? I'm assuming you read my bigpost about why I think the existence of such a role is very likely, so is there something about it that you disagree with?

[Bingle]

Bingle's push on GL feels a bit muted/backseat and a lot of his contributions have been mech based

I'm pushing GL? News to me. I'm pushing GL to be more thorough in his analysis, because if he's town here it's pretty surface level wrt the Ali situation and I'm not sure how I feel about that.

If anything, I'm trying to decide if this a world where this whole thing is T/T and scum are capitalizing on their PR usage. And yes, a lot of my contribution to the evaluation of a soft guilty is mechanical, because the soft guilty is mechanical.

In other, mechanical news, we should 100% be deciding on a budget before the lim here and we should be doing that ASAP, so whoever gets the treasurer role needs to out budget immediately.

[furtiveglance]

Bingle's push on GL feels a bit muted/backseat and a lot of his contributions have been mech based

I'm pushing GL? News to me. I'm pushing GL to be more thorough in his analysis, because if he's town here it's pretty surface level wrt the Ali situation and I'm not sure how I feel about that.

What are your actual reads? Can you do a list?

[Bingle]

What are your actual reads? Can you do a list?

Not off the top of my head, because it's not a linear readslist. I'm looking more at a full solve at the moment. The two townreads I feel fairly confident on are LLD and SKrew, in that order. GL is vaguely town from my earlier logic about his reactions to the xofelf slip conversation. Looking back yesterday I did agree with myself that he's probably town for that, although his approach to the Ali thing today has been pinging all sorts of warning bells.

Ali isn't really towny, but I'm having a hard time reconciling the narrative that scum is willing to trade one-for-one with someone who isn't full confirmed and only might enter the day with a relevant result. Like, Ali scum hardspews SK town I think, and I think the scumteam would recognize that. Compound that with the fact that we were rapidly running out of potential protections, guaranteeing a guilty result on a not particularly scumread player seems like both a desperation move and a move that the scum team makes with the least townread of their group. I don't see Ali being in both of those situations to be super likely.

If I had to pull a dayvig here, it'd be sheep. Most of the remaining Plist seems okay with limming him without actually wanting him dead, which is a pretty comfortable place to keep a scumbuddy in your reads list.

[Thestatusquo]

Election Phase 4 is complete. The following players have been elected:

Treasurer - GuiltyLion
Sherriff - Sheepsaysmeep
Mayor - Bingle
Council Member - No player received a majority of votes and thus no player is elected.
Trash Collector - LLD
Board of Election - Kdowns

VoteCount Vote Count 4.0

Not Voting [ 11 ]

Lady Lambdadelta, Bingle, Alisae, Sheepsaysmeep, furtiveglance, Kdowns, Guiltylion, Sleepykrew, Unowen

With 9 alive it takes 5 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2023-04-06 12:49:00)