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[Rautherdir]

Though I hadn't noticed that flavour doesn't have an impact on alignment, if I'd noticed that earlier I probably wouldn't have brought this up to begin with.

[Rautherdir]

But yet you accuse me of scumslip for mentioning them as scum.

I originally said potential scumslip if this wasn't RVS, but I did vote you so fair.

[Enchant]

PoTeNtIAl scumslip for calling scum scum mmaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[ActionDan]

@Mod: Is it public knowledge that disciples of benediction are threats to town

There.

I think it's pretty obvious that they are considering we're playing mafia, a game pitting uninformed majorities against informed minorities.

The stretch to entertain the idea they aren't reads to me as a possible play to fake a dumb not-benediction faction tell more than honest concern.

[Rautherdir]

Green role color + an inherently non-antagonistic sounding name (Especially compared to Malediction) did not scream as being scum to me personally.

[Enchant]

I think we just stop rubbing issue for now

[Rautherdir]

But then again I didn't notice the flavour on alignment thing in setup so. If I'd seen that I'd have gone with the assumption that they are indeed scum and waited til day 2 when more information from public night actions is available to present it as a possibility depending on what happened.

[Rautherdir]

Well. I might have still done it actually.
This was a decent way to break out of RVS I think, and I like doing stuff like that.

[furtiveglance]

It is public knowledge, read the setup post

Benediction and Malediction are different non town factions

[Rautherdir]

It is public knowledge, read the setup post

Benediction and Malediction are different non town factions

The question is if they are threats to town. I played Devil's Advocate I suppose and suggested a possibility that Benediction, bearing a green role color and a name like that, might in fact not be antagonistic to town.

[Rautherdir]

.... Actually wait.

I just realized the pattern of the three faction names.

[Feysal]

I will say my role name sounds much more powerful then the actual ability actually is. I'm actually not sure at all how to use my role to any benefit, though it is role madness so uh... maybe there's some use to even something like what I have?

You're not the only one. And I have seen the most useless roles turning out to be very beneficial in the end.

I think it's not more letter eating like "scum not scum" it's more that you assume that one of teams could benefit town which is not assumption commonly made.

Given the name Benediction for the green team, this is an understandable assumption though. But I think this is exactly why we were told not to rely on flavor. I have been in games where good and evil did not match with town and scum factions, and this looks like one of them.

I have only ever seen one informed minority that was actually compatible with the town. But the twist was that they

were

still threats to the town, but they did not realize it. I figured it out because I was a serial killer in that game, and my win condition was weird too. We managed to organize a shared victory between town and all third parties, but when one of them found out I was right about us being considered threats, he blew up in a way that got him modkilled.

The stretch to entertain the idea they aren't reads to me as a possible play to fake a dumb not-benediction faction tell more than honest concern.

I disagree. If memory serves, this kind of confusion usually comes from an uninformed perspective, therefore Rautherdir probably is town.

By the way - it was not Enchant who associated green with claiming scum in the first place. They were echoing Dragon, who did it first.

[Rautherdir]

Benedictions and maledictions are both subsets of invocations. Respectively, invocations for blessings and curses. Each of the concepts are as removed from invocations in general as the other is, with invocations being neutral.

.... I'm not sure what significance this has if any.

[Rautherdir]

At the very least this suggests Benediction and Malediction are antagonistic to each other I guess?

I should stop trying to use flavor to figure out things though cause I know it can't be used that way now.

[Rautherdir]

Well, maybe flavor can still tell us about the setup and what the persuasions of the factions towards each other are, just not what any specific player is, on second glance.

[Rautherdir]

By the way - it was not Enchant who associated green with claiming scum in the first place. They were echoing Dragon, who did it first.

Dragon claimed Benediction without saying if it was scum or not. And... in fact, claimed it as if there was a role instead of an alignment and could thus be CC'd. (Though I guess it could still be CC'd as Benediction does know who their member(s) are by way of being an informed minority unless there are traitor equivalents or such)

[Rautherdir]

I'm not even sure what my role would be called in a more conventional game. (And thus don't know where on the wiki to look for play advice for, if there even is an equivalent for it) Half tempted to claim just to ask for help in how to even use it properly. This was the first time I've ever not been able to reply to my role pm with the normal equivalent of my role through any combination of modifiers and roles.

[The Keeper]

Hi guys I claim Benediction!
Any CC's?

You are bad at scumclaiming. Watch and learn.

I HAVE

GREEN

ROLE PM

Wait, is Benediction even scum? All I can see is that they are an informed minority, unless I'm missing something in the setup that doesn't necessarily mean they're a threat to town.

Benediction comes from a small ritual to grant Blessings upon us like Angels and such.

Blessings can be curses and curses can be blessings, its a matter of perspective.

3 of my hearts for the mighty Brimstone I feel is a worthy trade. To have a Revelation is possibly better but as the cost potentially of an early spike. Better hope you find The Red Key or even Blue. Personally I dont mind a run going for Revelation with a Planetarium.

[The Keeper]

i’m a manifestation of aversion.

And Yet here you stand...

[Hugir]

Ego.

GIF head won’t really be here until end of tomorrow due to moving shenanigans.

[Feysal]

Meanwhile, we have all pretty much ignored Abnegation claiming miller. Not sure what to make of it, except that claiming it right at the start is generally the right play. This is multiball though, and her claim could make either scum team suspect her of belonging to the other, potentially exposing her to nightkills. Leaving this alone for now.

[The Keeper]

It is public knowledge, read the setup post

Benediction and Malediction are different non town factions

The question is if they are threats to town. I played Devil's Advocate I suppose and suggested a possibility that Benediction, bearing a green role color and a name like that, might in fact not be antagonistic to town.

Devils Advocate, huh. Simply another way of saying "excuse me while I become an Anus."

Your pushes and questions are awful, Id take The Poop over what youve just tried to Flush.

[Rautherdir]

Meanwhile, we have all pretty much ignored Abnegation claiming miller. Not sure what to make of it, except that claiming it right at the start is generally the right play. This is multiball though, and her claim could make either scum team suspect her of belonging to the other, potentially exposing her to nightkills. Leaving this alone for now.

I mean yeah. Was tempted to say this does suggest that both results are equally bad, though from the perspective of not knowing who the threats to town are they... are indeed equally bad.

It's also... unusually easy to check even, just check on two consecutive nights. Not that it'd be a good idea to do so, burning two investigates to confirm a miller is uh... not the best play.

[The Keeper]

Meanwhile, we have all pretty much ignored Abnegation claiming miller. Not sure what to make of it, except that claiming it right at the start is generally the right play. This is multiball though, and her claim could make either scum team suspect her of belonging to the other, potentially exposing her to nightkills. Leaving this alone for now.

You raise it simply to say to leave it?
Did you find The Book of the Dead? Or simply did you start with Death?

[Rautherdir]

Well. Guess it depends on how any cops or similar we have work. If it's just non-invocation or invocation then we can't check it at all.