Election! | GAME OVER

[Bingle]

I guarantee if I get eliminated Bingle will waffle about mech all through ELO. What an automaton.

Yup, I'm a robot for taking about mech when the person we're waiting on literally asks me about mech. Fuck you too, buddy.

[sheepsaysmeep]

Sheep, what

That list, and reading ppl's ISO's, literally changed/decided my current thoughts, so I haven't just gone and justified everything.

What explanations were 'bum'?

I was thinking mainly like ur tunnels on ur wolfreads like SK where I remember it being difficult to find discernible reasoning until now

dont feel like bum explanations is important, I just remember most things so far being more shallow than whats in that readlist, like player x feels like this other game etc some things had just stood out to me before as weak reasoning idk sorry bro

[sheepsaysmeep]

furtive Recent WIM boost is also slightly villagery

like not insanely difficult to see it coming from a wolf, but it would be very very respectably impressive, how much work he's been churning out rather than losing motivation

[furtiveglance]

I guarantee if I get eliminated Bingle will waffle about mech all through ELO. What an automaton.

Yup, I'm a robot for taking about mech when the person we're waiting on literally asks me about mech. Fuck you too, buddy.

lol

I'm talking about your entire game as well

[Bingle]

And you sound like an asshole. Don't worry, I'm not specifically talking about when you called me a chatbot, I'm talking about your entire game.

[furtiveglance]

Ok

[furtiveglance]

I am being an asshole, you're right.

I'm just annoyed at this game in general from several days of being called scum, a bad player and an asshole and it all kinda rolls into one in my head as a direct beam of negative energy towards me, deserved or not.

I'm sorry.

[Bingle]

It's cool, I probably took it more harshly than necessary. I don't really think you're an asshole, FWIW.

[furtiveglance]

You're definitely going to have that much time, I'm not sure why you're worried about speed eliminations. No one's looking to flip you until GL makes his choices.

That said, your two page response here is scum flailing for a way out, insulting every player you can on the way down hoping someone will buy into your AtE.

It's impressive, in a way. How flexible you're willing to be on reads to go with whatever will suit you and act however you think you need to act to win.

But it's a scum thing.

I want to challenge this again. I shouldn't have reacted in the way I did, because it's unreasonable to expect everyone to read me correctly. I was frustrated to find that most/all players were fine with eliminating me when I thought there were much better options.

If you go through all my scumgames, I never get emotional. If you think this is a trust tell or otherwise irrelevant, that's fine, but it's true. I want to give my perspective because LLD definitely isn't making a meta read, or even claiming to, here. So why would she hold me to this general idea of how scum plays, without being bothered to check my meta? It just seems really off, like she's trying to bury me at all costs. It reminds me a lot of the game we were scum together.

[furtiveglance]

As a separate point, LLD's townread on UNOwen with the reasoning of 'it's a secret' obviously doesn't convince me. If she wants me to take that seriously she'll have to explain it, and I'd encourage others to pull on that thread as well, especially if I get flipped today.

[furtiveglance]

Yo, talk to me about Furtive. Where is your furtive read and if it's town right now, why?

I'm running on pure anger and frustration at this point and people need someone to have any level of WIM so here I fucking am.

It's lean town, for non-specific reasons that have built up over time. Generally I feel that he's been approaching the game uninformed, trying to reevaluate. Not like he has a specific gameplan. The "accidental lies" stuff with the minutes for example, I guess it's the "too blatant to be scum" argument but I think it also seemed more like town who genuinely convinced himself that his version of events was what happened and didn't bother to check.

I liked the SleepyKrew push too, because in retrospect I think it was the correct play at the time. Although that assumes scum didn't have a way to play around it, which maybe they did, in which case it would be terrible. So actually that's not a good reason to view him as town.

Meh. I guess I don't actually have a strong case that he's town but I also don't see the scum argument. He was really fishy in the last game I played with him and got wrongly killed for it and in HotD I remember he had some pretty wild takes too. His vibes seem similar to those games to me?

So here's my thing. I literally hydra'd a game as scum with Furtive right before this one. Furtive knows how to play scum, they did it with me so this concept that he looks this way as town, he knows he looks that way.

it's not only not outside his range, but he's playing up into it.

I mean look at the Meowth wagon stuff. It's ridiculous and comical but it's making people townread him so he's doing it.

This is definitely saying I'm playing dumb to look town by the way, which is something I would never do.

[furtiveglance]

I don't think UNOwen is scum.

why

gut.

i don't explain townreads and i won't explain this one especially because it was how i found him in HotD

if you think i'm town and you have any faith in me as a player, UNOwen town is my top read.

Here's the UNOwen thing. I don't trust it at all, especially because UNOwen isn't playing like he did in HotD. He's more jokey this game.

[Alisae]

I'm also not sure I understand Bingle math in 4699. We have $125, I could take out a $200 loan for $325. funding 80/80/70 puts us at 230, what do I do with the extra $5 after we pay $90 to debt? and how does funding Mayor $80 mean $100 success rate?

give the 5$ to someone

[Thestatusquo]

Vote Count 4.2

Furtiveglance [ 2 ]

LLD, Unowen

Sleepykrew [ 1 ]

Furtiveglance

Not Voting [ 6 ]

Bingle, Alisae, Sheepsaysmeep, Kdowns, Guiltylion, SleepyKrew

With 9 alive it takes 5 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2023-04-06 12:49:00)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm getting cold feet on limming furtive from his posts recently today

I also do not like that kdowns post about "Alisae piggybacking on reads", that felt very shady and scummy

did we actually have consensus on funding plan? I know LLD suggested I WIFOM about it and Bingle suggested take full loan and mostly fund all the roles. I don't wanna be confused and do something that people might later think was scum-motivated or against the plan, so I wanna be explicit about what we agree on, even if it's explicitly choosing to WIFOM about a few options

I'm also not sure I understand Bingle math in 4699. We have $125, I could take out a $200 loan for $325. funding 80/80/70 puts us at 230, what do I do with the extra $5 after we pay $90 to debt? and how does funding Mayor $80 mean $100 success rate?

Furtive is literally spewing and has escaped death this specific way like 3 times now.

I really think its Furtive/Bingle/Sheep.

As for plans...

I think you should fund fully.

My tracker is a good secondary at 80 bucks. Dont split funding.

[furtiveglance]

Can people start voting, and justifying their votes.

[furtiveglance]

LLD is just talking over me at this point

Repeatedly anti-town and anti-discussion plays.

[SleepyKrew]

I hurt my finger

[sheepsaysmeep]

ehhhh I could see LLD as content wolf

like I was first aboard the train of "LLD wolf would be actively controlling the game more"

but it's almost too not-actively-impactful, like I feel like maybe it should feel like she cares more about her reads getting enacted, given confidence in them

[sheepsaysmeep]

actually that feels unfair because she effectively almost singlehandedly limmed furtive earlier today

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Sheep coming out of the woodwork to try and defend Furtive only grants me more confidence tbh.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like even with the retraction, it reads like scum throwing things against the wall to see what sticks and then realizing they will be lambasted for such an obviously false statement and issuing the retraction.

Additionally the earlier statement about Furtive increased WIM isn't townie. Furtive is on track to die. Almost every scum refuses to roll over and die.

It would almost be more town from a perspective tell if Furtive were giving up but instead furtive keeps insulting players and pretending to give up and then coming back and doing more things to try and stay alive.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Not that survivalism is scummy inherently, but trying to look defeated only to keep fighting and then have someone pop up to defend you is scummy, at least in my PoV

[Bingle]

Sheep coming out of the woodwork to try and defend Furtive only grants me more confidence tbh.

Ngl, this thought crossed my mind. The whole defense of furtive because his read reset explained all his previous behavior is wolfy AF.

Is there any chance we can fund JoaT/JoaT/Track and just lim sheep here? Tracker isn’t far off of cop with only two scum left.

[furtiveglance]

LLD refusal to comment on SKrew is +scum, at least Bingle gave a bad reason to townlean him