Micro 1075: The Coalition of Imaginary Creatures (Game over)

[Bingle]

for the record so far i am townreading you by play. your exclusion is mostly just me going with consensus,

Me too!

Also, the townread of NM didn’t come from nowhere, FWIW. I explained why it exists and it showed up pretty much immediately after NM started having reads that weren’t “x is scum because I say so”.

[Bingle]

We have less than four days remaining so at this point I'll take anything that doesn't contain kawaii or dunn to avoid day ending without elimination if coalition fails

Seconded

Eira not to pocket you please don’t take this as pocketing but I would follow you to the ends of the fucking earth. Literally your vibes are SO on point. You want me to vote someone? Sure. I’ll even help you scumcase them.

These are exactly what give me the bad vibes from patch, fwiw.

[Eiralox]

I don't like how Bingle and Umlaut have been acting. The sudden N_M heal? Bingle EXCLUDING THEMSELF over N_M, Umlaut doing the same?

This rush Umlaut suddenly has for this spesific coalition after Bingle has it?

Both of them reek like having foreknowledge that this coalition fails. Especialy Umlaut, already sharpening teeth for the elim.
And now that nsg is on board, with the pivot on trusting umlaut and keychain......

I actually think this coalition has a good chance of winning because everyone on it looks pretty town to me, and I have no idea what I will do next if it fails. What do you mean sharpening teeth for the elim?

I'm trying to rush because we are already nearly two days past the point where I would have liked to have a coalition finalized.

I tend to be reachy in my analyses. Plenty of times I'm wrong. what do you think about about a binlge/northsidegal scumteam?

[Umlaut]

I'm pretty much taking as given that NSG is town so I don't think much of it. What makes you suspect her?

[Bingle]

As a thought experiment, eir, what do you think makes sense if I’m town?

[Bingle]

As a thought experiment, eir, what do you think makes sense if I’m town?

Specifically, all of your scumhunting seems to originate from the wrong assumption that I’m scum. It all seems to be about looking for my scum partner, which is something that absolutely cannot exist.

[Eiralox]

I'm pretty much taking as given that NSG is town so I don't think much of it. What makes you suspect her?

Honestly I just strongly feel there's a possibility they're not. They had an exclusion list, you and keychain, now that you, key and bingle are locked in, the lock you in, also Not_Mafia. Sure.... we have to form a coalition, but rn the only person I feel had natural progression on including N_M is keychain.

At first nsg's tone felt good(as did yours) but later it's sort of the same with bingle, a lot of content but I really don't get the investigative and uncertain vibes I usually associate with town.

Then there's the Bingle associatives, the way Bingle acted when I removed you and nsg was just too weird. would scum have a kneejerk reaction like that? my feel at the time was bingle/umlaut likely, because if neither of you in then you're done. now i feel bingle might already know that coalition fails because buddy nsg is in there, bingle sort of might 'townspew' buddy nsg by saying yeah they're getting nk'd.

[patchwork]

FUCK i accidentally reloaded the tab when i was typing up a longpost

[patchwork]

We have less than four days remaining so at this point I'll take anything that doesn't contain kawaii or dunn to avoid day ending without elimination if coalition fails

Seconded

Eira not to pocket you please don’t take this as pocketing but I would follow you to the ends of the fucking earth. Literally your vibes are SO on point. You want me to vote someone? Sure. I’ll even help you scumcase them.

These are exactly what give me the bad vibes from patch, fwiw.

How
The first one is just expressing that I feel the same, Keychain said it before me
The second one is just true

[Eiralox]

As a thought experiment, eir, what do you think makes sense if I’m town?

As a thought experiment, eir, what do you think makes sense if I’m town?

Specifically, all of your scumhunting seems to originate from the wrong assumption that I’m scum. It all seems to be about looking for my scum partner, which is something that absolutely cannot exist.

I'm tunneled for now. Sure, dunn and kawaii decent scum picks, but heck this is a coalition game. politics 101: speak the loudest and the most, be as general but persuasive as possible, and many might flock to your banner.

My read on you is not wholly based on your partner btw. I've said many time I'm getting a non-townie vibe from you and many things you said read like TMI scum-perspective(trust Eira for today, very sure this coalition fails, and same with nsg: I feel your sudden mirror of umlaut/keychain coalitions might be very very convenient just to get a failed coalition through as fast as possible. I'm starting to feel Umlaut might look better in this regard.

I also touched on your patchwork case, no offene but for me it read like case for sake of case to exclude townie from coalition.

[Eiralox]

I might end up: HEALING Umlaut instead of Dunnstral

I'm willing to compromise on: Eira, N_M, patchwork, keychain, Umlaut

But I know removing northsidegal from coalition will be hard sell

[Eiralox]

How
The first one is just expressing that I feel the same, Keychain said it before me
The second one is just true

Yeah honestly like with the N_M stuff my feel is this isn't a genuine town push on you from Bingle.

*shrug*

I'm wrong plenty of times reading ppl on tone and intent though so I'm not sure patch. working off gut here and might be very wrong.

[Eiralox]

HURT: Dunnstral
HEAL: Umlaut

I'll do it because I doubt anyone heals Dunsstral today even tho they have a decent chance to flip town actually.

[Bingle]

Sure, dunn and kawaii decent scum picks, but heck this is a coalition game.

I explicitly agree that they're not scum together, and in fact think that if one is scum it's with someone who is fairly widely townread.

I'd be willing to swap to Dunn over patchwork in a pinch, or over nsg or Umlaut, but honestly that seems like the opposite direction of consensus. My major issue here is that you seem to be presuming my guilt first and then looking to build scumreads that fit that world. For the greater good it might be better to lim me first even with me off coalition to rip you out of this tunnel, because as it is I don't see you reevaluating and I think your tunnel single handedly loses us the game. (No offense to your skill, but I am kind of informed about my own alignment here.)

WRT the patchcase, I straight up admit a lot of it was bias and wrong, but I do seriously get major scum vibes from their posting.

[patchwork]

ah, yes, vibes
the most convincing argument a guy could ever have

[Bingle]

The first one is just expressing that I feel the same, Keychain said it before me
The second one is just true

How do I think you're tonally off? Because I read that post and think this is tonally off. The first is "let's just get the coalition over" which is something that needs to be done sure, but isn't in any way a town indicative thought. The second is "Hey, I'm not buddying you, but I'm going to sheep you." which while it could come from town could just as easily come from scum hiding behind a townie who is just wrong. I happen to know that Eir's entire worldview here is based on something that's just wrong.

Why do you think I should be townreading you? What have you done this game that scum you doesn't do?

[Bingle]

ah, yes, vibes
the most convincing argument a guy could ever have

Ah yes, discrediting the person reading you. The most convincing argument a guy could ever have.

See, I can throw bullshit shade at a wall too.

[Bingle]

In one last appeal to sanity, Eir, read my ISO. See that my goal here hasn't been to include a player on the coalition that I myself am not a part of, but rather to exclude ONE specific player. That's not how scum wins this setup. That's a player with a legitimate read, no matter how poorly explained.

[patchwork]

ah, yes, vibes
the most convincing argument a guy could ever have

Ah yes, discrediting the person reading you. The most convincing argument a guy could ever have.

See, I can throw bullshit shade at a wall too.

you're supposed to laugh goddamn

[patchwork]

The first one is just expressing that I feel the same, Keychain said it before me
The second one is just true

How do I think you're tonally off? Because I read that post and think this is tonally off. The first is "let's just get the coalition over" which is something that needs to be done sure, but isn't in any way a town indicative thought. The second is "Hey, I'm not buddying you, but I'm going to sheep you." which while it could come from town could just as easily come from scum hiding behind a townie who is just wrong. I happen to know that Eir's entire worldview here is based on something that's just wrong.

Why do you think I should be townreading you? What have you done this game that scum you doesn't do?

townread me because i'm town lol

[Eiralox]

Sure, dunn and kawaii decent scum picks, but heck this is a coalition game.

For the greater good it might be better to lim me first even with me off coalition to rip you out of this tunnel, because as it is I don't see you reevaluating and I think your tunnel single handedly loses us the game. (No offense to your skill, but I am kind of informed about my own alignment here.)

I'm not voting you today because if you're town you're trying and your broad sweeping analyses can aid town.

However, I remain convinced there's a scum angle to your play and many of the things you said can in fact come from a scum alignment-informed perspective.

Saying 'your tunnel on me auto-loses this game' is one hell of a stretch by the way and will not ease my read on you. There are 9 players, 7 tomorrow. This game isn't 'hey everyone let's listen and believe everything eira says', I don't want it to be, so this statement is on the whole quite weird.

[Eiralox]

In one last appeal to sanity, Eir, read my ISO. See that my goal here hasn't been to include a player on the coalition that I myself am not a part of, but rather to exclude ONE specific player. That's not how scum wins this setup. That's a player with a legitimate read, no matter how poorly explained.

Don't appeal to my sanity, that's a losing bet. My coalition with patch included has little chance to go through as of now way I see it, so I'm not sure what you want from me.

I like working in patterns and for now bingle/umlaut bingle/northsidegal are patterns I can work with.

My mind can change. Overall that might take some time though.

[Eiralox]

There are 9 players, 7 tomorrow.

if coalition fails lol. yeah i'm getting sorta pessimistic about a success maybe so later gators : )

[Bingle]

Saying 'your tunnel on me auto-loses this game' is one hell of a stretch by the way and will not ease my read on you. There are 9 players, 7 tomorrow. This game isn't 'hey everyone let's listen and believe everything eira says', I don't want it to be, so this statement is on the whole quite weird.

Is it? Say the coalition doesn't work (which I'm actually pretty happy about it working now, tbh, based on patch's response here). You want to eliminate umlaut because you think he's my partner. You want to eliminate nsg because you think she's my partner. How much of a stretch is it that scum will capitalize on you trying to eliminate anyone who even so much as looks like they might be my partner for free miseliminations?

[Bingle]

I'm not sure what you want from me.

Explicitly, I want you in a place where you're willing to think about what the world looks like if I'm town, and I don't think that happens without my elimination if this coalition does fail. I'll take a guaranteed miselim over multiple likely ones.