Mini 2295 | Star Trek uPick - Fin!

[fferyllt]

At the beep, it will have been five full days since PenguinPower posted here.

My bad. He should have been prodded this weekend. PenguinPower has been prodded.

VC 2.5

Rogue (3): Lady Lambdadelta, Wavelength, KawaiiKame
xyzzy (2): GreyICE, PenguinPower
Aureal (2): Porkens, Kokichi Oma
PenguinPower (2): xyzzx, Aureal
Porkens (1): Rogue

Not Voting (0):

no one

With 10 alive it takes 6 votes to eliminate

Deadline: April 5, Noon Eastern Time

countdown: (expired on 2023-04-05 09:00:00)

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[PenguinPower]

Prod received.

[PenguinPower]

Peng: I guess I'll be the one to ask then, why DID you vote Wave?

I can answer this now - wave has been playing very mechanically which was very reminiscent of my time with scum!wave in Anything uPick. Wave deferring to LLD (who has been low activity this day phase) whilst focusing on the mechanical seems like a way to absolve of responsibility while appearing to be busy.

[PenguinPower]

I’m not feeling wave scum at all.

On the other hand, we should wagon Aureal.

Oh...ok, why is wave not scum?

[PenguinPower]

At the beep, it will have been five full days since PenguinPower posted here.

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Let's see if he's immune to votes as well as prods.

VOTE: PenguinPower

boy - almost if I peaced out after being an asshat to xyzzy

almost

[PenguinPower]

I'm less feeling wave scum but wave is good at scum

[PenguinPower]

sorry - are we saying kawaii is town because of the Borg claim alone?

[PenguinPower]

I don't like Aureal...but I don't think Aureal is scum.

[PenguinPower]

xyzzy still a good vote

[Wavelength]

wave has been playing very mechanically which was very reminiscent of my time with scum!wave in Anything uPick.

I don't think that I have been playing mechanically *at all* this game. I actually think my only comments on the mech implications of Hebi's flip came as direct responses to people saying "I am confused on X" and I trying to help clear up confusion.


But I also just checked back on a joint Iso on you and me, and my most recent two posts before your vote were that. Me responding to Aureal and then responding to Kokichi 792/797, so I kind of buy that you saw those two posts, and had that thought.

So :shrug:

[Wavelength]

sorry - are we saying kawaii is town because of the Borg claim alone?

I am treating Kawaii being borg as NAI

[PenguinPower]

everything since like 455 was mech based until I just got caught up which is why I said I'm less scum reading you now

[Wavelength]

Penguin, you asked me why I thought that Hebi and xyzzy were unaligned, but my answer was at the same time you were getting into with with xyzzy.

So, not sure if you actually saw my response to you or not.

Spoiler:

if you want a wagon may i suggest xyzzy?

I find it highly unlikely that xyzzy plays day 1 the way that they did if partnered with Hebi

can you elaborate?

He opened up the day in a way that left LLD with a "xyzzy is never scum with Hebi." I agreed with these posts, and I think Rogue(?) did too (not sure on that, and not taking the time to check)

In your mind is he scum profiterring off of hebi being town and a wagon or is he scum attaching himself to a wagon as part of a bus to ensure he's not left out?

I’ll ask a better question - is he town?

If Hebi's scum they are.

like to iterate, if Hebi's scum Xyzzy doesn't have the 3 posts they have this game. Simple as that. They enter and approach differently.

And I don't think that a scum partner who successfully managed to position themselves into a "very likely not partnered with my partner who is currently at e-1 and has claimed not town" read for multiple players proceeds to tear down that positioning by making this argument, instead of just hoping to ride out the town cred on their partner flip (while quietly hoping that the town on the wagon work their own way off)

So a non-town claim.

Vote: Hebi

I will not go into a long explanation of why this is always, always, always, always the correct move. A brief summary:

- The moderator has not confirmed the existence of a non-hostile, non-town faction. There's no evidence it exists. There's a known non-town faction - it's Mafia. Occam's Razor.
- Fferyllt likes fairly vanilla roles. For instance their design document for Tarot Mafia, despite having an incredibly complicated picking procedure, has mostly "modified vanilla" roles: viewtopic.php?p=12857475#p12857475
- It's a mini normal, 13 players doesn't give much room for a non-town, non-hostile faction.
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It's day 1, we're guaranteed not to eliminate town by doing this

The last one should be the only one that matters.

eliminating hebichan here as policy doesn't give us useful info for day 2. if we later have reason to believe hebichan is lying scum, we can circle back around to that. if we eliminate town on day 1, that's obviously bad, but it gives us a wealth of information that eliminating a claimed survivor does not. the drawback of going into day 2 with less to work with is far greater than the "at least we didn't lose a town player" moral victory, especially because it doesn't stop us from getting closer to a scum win.

I think I would have to actively decided that xyzzy does not understand how to play scum to conclude that he makes this post, in this position, as scum.

Like 581 did not work to stop Hebi's elim, it was never going to work to stop Hebi's elim, and actually all it did was give a reason for people to point and say "Look over there! xyzzy tried to save scum Hebi"

And I feel like xyzzy partnered with Hebi realizes this.

So that leads me to conclude this was his actual process of trying to work through a survivor claim.

[PenguinPower]

I saw it...I don't agree with it.

[Wavelength]

everything since like 455 was mech based until I just got caught up which is why I said I'm less scum reading you now

I don't think that that is true.

But, I don't think that you are scum for thinking so, so I am just gonna drop it I think.

[Wavelength]

I saw it...I don't agree with it.

[PenguinPower]

we have emojis now?!?!

[Wavelength]

Yeah, they came with the site update lol

[PenguinPower]

....I knew that....

[Wavelength]

viewtopic.php?t=90442

I feel like either I misread your intent, or you misread mine.

either way, I went and found the thread for you that has a list of all the emojis we can use.

[Wavelength]

I feel like either I misread your intent, or you misread mine.

I think it was my "lol" in 1042.

It seems to have added a different tone to the post then intended. I add lol to the end of a lot of short messages reflexively.

Maybe drop the "lol" and sub in a couple exclamation mark on that message, and it will be closer to the tone that I meant for it?

Yeah, they came with the site update!!

[PenguinPower]

Oh no. I should have known that given my knowledge of the update but I did not. My “I knew that” was complete sarcasm.

Gotta love text based communication.

[Aureal]

OK, thanks for the answer. Fair enough reason, so I'll go back to VOTE: Kokichi.

I don't think Wave is scum though. Nobody ever offered any input when I mused about why hebi pretty much true claimed even though she could've just said 3p survivor and gotten less suspicion. So it feels like the scum intent was to make us more likely to think it's mutiball due to the lack of killing power referenced in the role PM. And Wave has pretty much put the last nail in that idea.

[Porkens]

And yes, in advance, I'm a raging bitch. It's okay.

I'm also right.

Belongs in the “give feedback for funney psots” threade.


But can’t talk about ongoing game, so…

VOTE: rogue I don’t totally see it but I trust you

[fferyllt]

Searching for a replacement for GreyICE. If he can post before I find a replacement, he can continue playing.

Deadline is paused at 1 day 11 hours.