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[Hell Froze Over]

Hey guys I grabbed a really cute avatar uwu I hope you liek it

Though, do love the badass avatar

-Drew

[Hell Froze Over]

Wait, this has already started?

@Narration, I did not receive a daystart PM.

Wait a sec while I read the thread...

This... is actually a massive towntell, right?
I think if Blue is scum he'd have, like, he'd know the day started by either scum PT locking or his buddy telling him, right?

A social deduction game is a game in which players attempt to uncover each other's hidden role or team allegiance. Commonly, these games are played with teams, with one team being considered "good" and another being "bad". During gameplay, players can use logic and deductive reasoning to try to deduce one another's roles, while other players can bluff to keep players from suspecting them.

Ok so we can stop worrying about Enchant.

And start worrying about Hugir.

-Drew

Didn't want this getting ignored

-Drew

[Hugir]

Can it be technically faked? Of course.
Is it likely that it is faked? I think not.

[Hugir]

Like what is the chance Blue goes "Oh I'm scum and I didn't receive a daystart PM so even though I know that the game started already I'm gonna use that and pray that someone picks it up and calls it town"
Occam's razor baby I'm calling that shit town

[Hugir]

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[Hell Froze Over]

WORDS WORDS WORDS OCCAM'S RAZOR WORDS

Bit excessive. Good way to dissuade people from poking you on this point further
~b

[Narration]

Replacing KawaiiKame

If they come back before a replacement is found, they may keep the slot.

[The Keeper]

No, not you. I meant the votes on Goldfish and Hugir, because wynaut.

I have my reasons.
Unlike most people here I treat each run as a new game and not a victory lap.

[ActionDan]

Hugir seems pretty town to me :/ reasons appreciated

[Feysal]

Ok so we can stop worrying about Enchant.

And start worrying about Hugir.

I think this is pretty null for BlueSnakelet, townish for Hugir. I get the reasoning that scum would have more ways to find out the game had started, but BlueSnakelet missed the start only by about 16 hours. Some players who apparently did receive their daystart PMs took even longer to realize. Actually, I'm not positive everyone still has.

We really need a flip and a round of night actions to have something new to talk about. I hope this inactivity is due to Easter week, and the game picks up after it.

WALL OF TEXT

I'm actually impressed by how many times you repeated the same phrases, but never with the exact same wording.

[Rautherdir]

Given the time left it's probably going to come down to me or IceDragon for elim. I'd prefer IceDragon get eliminated of course, I think they have a pretty good chance of scum and they're also not me, but overall I don't think it'd be a huge loss to town if I get eliminated either, so.

(On another note I'm very glad I reread the site rules before the game started, there was a very important rule change about the term used for elimination that happened in my absence.)

[Rautherdir]

In the event I do survive to night, I have to consider if I should target the claimed ascetic to see if they are ascetic, or... target someone else and see if my role card isn't entirely accurate.

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: IceDragon70

[Rautherdir]

Wait, this has already started?

@Narration, I did not receive a daystart PM.

Wait a sec while I read the thread...

This... is actually a massive towntell, right?
I think if Blue is scum he'd have, like, he'd know the day started by either scum PT locking or his buddy telling him, right?

And I'll go ahead and comment on this myself.

If scum don't have daytalk then yeah, the thread locking would be pretty obvious sign that the game started. With the amount of time that elapsed in the game before they posted though, it's reasonable to think this could have been why they noticed the game began in the first place. Not that it points to Snakelet being scum at all really, checking the thread once a day or a few other things could have also led to noticing the game had started at that amount of time elapsed.
In the situation where scum do have daytalk this assumes that they have an active partner, which might not be the case. And... again, the time frame just is too tight to gain any useful information from it.
To summarize, if it'd been at the point when the game would have started regardless of confirmations or such then yeah, I'd see it as being a town tell. It wasn't though, and within the realm of possibility of finding out just by checking once a day if the thread was open yet, or by either not noticing a scum pt being closed or not having an active partner that told him that the game was started before he posted.
Though it is close to being long enough that I see Hugir's take on it as being reasonable enough, I mean I've had worse takes so.

[Hell Froze Over]

In the event I do survive to night, I have to consider if I should target the claimed ascetic to see if they are ascetic, or... target someone else and see if my role card isn't entirely accurate.

You mean you want to check the ascetic

IC

? To see if they're lying?

Clearly we're either telling the truth or we have a good reason to pretend, in which case you should not want to interfere with a town gambit anyway
~b

[Rautherdir]

In the event I do survive to night, I have to consider if I should target the claimed ascetic to see if they are ascetic, or... target someone else and see if my role card isn't entirely accurate.

You mean you want to check the ascetic

IC

? To see if they're lying?

Clearly we're either telling the truth or we have a good reason to pretend, in which case you should not want to interfere with a town gambit anyway
~b

I've already made the joke about you actually being a one-shot vet instead of ascetic heh. So yeah I won't be targeting you tonight I don't think. I don't have any reason to suspect you're lying anyways, cause yeah, IC.
But as far as I know, I have a role that literally just lets me check if my action was successful, and right now the only thing I can check to get immediately useful information is you. I should probably target someone else and see if it does something else in reality, but then the question is... who to target.

[Rautherdir]

Well, I say useful information, but no one has a reason to suspect you're lying except maybe scum, so.
... Yeah I shouldn't check you.

[Rautherdir]

... Actually assuming we do elim today then I'll have exactly ten valid targets besides Hell Froze Over to choose from, which tempts me to just roll a dice to decide.

[furtiveglance]

This daystart PM stuff looks a bit OGI to me

[biancospino]

Yeah, if you're really a checker, on the contrary targeting us is just about the most completely useless thing you can do.

Your role is also a fuckton more useless now that you've claimed it since now you aren't getting roleblocked unless hell blazes up again, so you are so concerned about being useful, you shouldn't have claimed unprompted but I digress.

Also, while even mention that you have to consider checking us, if you then yourself says that it's a bad idea and aren't gonna do it? That's the same shit again like with the benediction thing, you put forth an hypotesis and then, as soon as you're poked a little, you retcon it away

[Hell Froze Over]

Yeah, if you're really a checker, on the contrary targeting us is just about the most completely useless thing you can do.

Your role is also a fuckton more useless now that you've claimed it since now you aren't getting roleblocked unless hell blazes up again, so you are so concerned about being useful, you shouldn't have claimed unprompted but I digress.

Also, while even mention that you have to consider checking us, if you then yourself says that it's a bad idea and aren't gonna do it? That's the same shit again like with the benediction thing, you put forth an hypotesis and then, as soon as you're poked a little, you retcon it away

^ffs, I had to slip at some point
~b

[Rautherdir]

This daystart PM stuff looks a bit OGI to me

... You might have to explain OGI to me, I'm not familiar with that abbreviation and it isn't in the wiki.

Yeah, if you're really a checker, on the contrary targeting us is just about the most completely useless thing you can do.

Your role is also a fuckton more useless now that you've claimed it since now you aren't getting roleblocked unless hell blazes up again, so you are so concerned about being useful, you shouldn't have claimed unprompted but I digress.

Also, while even mention that you have to consider checking us, if you then yourself says that it's a bad idea and aren't gonna do it? That's the same shit again like with the benediction thing, you put forth an hypotesis and then, as soon as you're poked a little, you retcon it away

I didn't know if it was a role that should claim at start to avoid doing stuff like confusing trackers or such, though the fact I wasn't compulsive should have warned me against it.
And as for mentioning checking you... I legitimately didn't think through who that information would be useful to until the post where I reasoned it out and realized it would only be useful to scum.

[furtiveglance]

... You might have to explain OGI to me, I'm not familiar with that abbreviation and it isn't in the wiki.

Out of game influence

[Hugir]

This daystart PM stuff looks a bit OGI to me

It’s not OGI if mod confirmed it in thread that Blue didn’t get a daystart PM

[Rautherdir]

... You might have to explain OGI to me, I'm not familiar with that abbreviation and it isn't in the wiki.

Out of game influence

It... yeah I'd say it borders on OGI, but ultimately falls on the line of being in game due to... yeah, the mod confirming it.