Cause like it's pretty blatantly obvious you're still scumhunting like it's regular mafia without ever reconsidering why the tells you're using worked there in the first place.
Ah crap, we're supposed to have tells that
work
?
In post 468, The Bulge wrote:
my position is that your math is a waste of time and a distraction from actually doing anything useful, and also that no limming is a stupid idea
Great cool you think this, how about you actually run it to the logical conclusion. It's +EV for everyone but the groupscum being limmed to lim scum, the only scum motivation to "waste time and distract from actually doing anything useful" is if it stops groupscum being limmed. How about you actually go back to those posts and see the only person being pushed then was Drew who's wagon I immediately got on after the posts and get out of your shit tunnel
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Well, this is more like the Python I remember.
This is probably not a productive way to engage, even if I think you might actually have a bit of a point.
'scuse me, why are you lumping me in with the people who have both far fewer posts than me and far less content in them? Or is this just your handwaved way of talking about people who aren't currently getting voted? I mean, you didn't include bianco in there and I've definitely got more posts than her.
In post 518, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
This one still doesn't like Drew and his bianco wagon but it's gripes now are mostly about how he went about starting it and discussing it because he didn't really bring up WHY he did until 432, a good long while after actually starting the wagon which seems counter-intuitive when starting a wagon. Though it also doesn't think it necessarily agrees with his reasoning for it either, but, eh..
I don't think it's necessarily scummy to start a wagon and withhold the reasoning. It can be but a lot of times people will do this to interpret the reaction. Showing all your cards (ie: your reason for doing it) can impact the reaction so I can see town reasons for withholding the information
Not sure if that's the case with Drew here but the action itself isn't that bad imo
I'm confused by this conversation. As was mentioned, Drew laid out his thoughts on bianco being scum pretty early on. Unless you think there's further reasoning beyond the Dragon vote. I mean, he actually balked when he thought I was saying that he was looking to wagon bianco. So I'm not sure what that means, is that why you think he was withholding reasoning?
Can anyone that has played with Drew confirm this?
I, uh,
may
have accused Drew of open wolfing in our last game. >_>
It wasn't a very comparable situation though. IDK what furtive was seeing- Drew is being a lot more engaged and scumhunty so far here than I expect. Since the first time I played with him, really, the Furtiveglance Wiki Incident.
If this is the case then Drew not mentioning Bulge and Bulge not mentioning Drew until now looks really bad
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I also haven't mentioned you until now, or Furtive, or Koki, and barely Aureal. In fact, most of my game here has been Bianco and HPE, with a bit of Black and osuka in there as well. Are they all my scum buddies? Are you?
I only talked about Bulge because you(or someone here today) asked me about them. There wasn't much for me to say that wasn't already said, and I repeated. The mech speak post they made was an 'oh ya there was one thing now that you reminded me' sort of thing.
You are attaching me to the Bulge for them not really discussing me, and puts me in a spot where they is no way to defend against that.
Furtive and Aureal are barely playing with how little they've posted, Kokichi was the one pushing the Black wagon so kinda understandable to give them a pass, and yeah it's also weird you haven't mentioned us considering half the thread has just been us getting into arguments with people
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Okay seriously, WTF. Bulge I'm not familiar with but I expect more checking of your facts from
you
. I had over three times as many posts as furtive had (and still more now since I'm doing a long day's work worth of catch-up now) and it's clear our ISOs aren't even close to comparable. He hadn't managed more than three sentences in a post! I'm wrecking his sentence record with just this modest post!
If you actually tr Bulge you should be defending Bulge as the town you think they are because Bulge flipping town puts you at 0 risk of getting wagoned, why are you putting all your effort to discredit the Bulge/Drew connection instead?
VOTE: Drew
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In post 540, usesPython wrote:
Furtive and Aureal are barely playing with how little they've posted, Kokichi was the one pushing the Black wagon so kinda understandable to give them a pass, and yeah it's also weird you haven't mentioned us considering half the thread has just been us getting into arguments with people
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Okay seriously, WTF. Bulge I'm not familiar with but I expect more checking of your facts from
you
. I had over three times as many posts as furtive had (and still more now since I'm doing a long day's work worth of catch-up now) and it's clear our ISOs aren't even close to comparable. He hadn't managed more than three sentences in a post! I'm wrecking his sentence record with just this modest post!
Drew how did you know to wagon Aureal so fast
You're doing the same thing Black was doing in Newbie 2111 where you're just kinda...
there
? Like you're posting but it's not really going anywhere?
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Hmmm. Well for one, I don't recall you trying to use other people's opinions on meta before. And I'm not clear whether you're actually reading DN to try to figure out whether Kokichi's assessment is valid. Are you just skimming ISOs there?
But I guess the thing that's making me most twitchy is the way it sets Kokichi up as a fall guy if his read is wrong. Yes it's his idea to flip him next if he's wrong but it's not protown to encourage that. My last two games had situations like that where I got into a "one of us is town and one is scum" showdown (HI ENCHANT) except we actually were all town.
In case 333 didn't make it clear, we're reading through the entire game instead of ISOing. Also I kinda tr Kokichi so I'd be actively against a Kokichi flip if Black flipped town.
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If you actually tr Bulge you should be defending Bulge as the town you think they are because Bulge flipping town puts you at 0 risk of getting wagoned, why are you putting all your effort to discredit the Bulge/Drew connection instead?
VOTE: Drew
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This case makes no sense unless Bulge is scum. Unless I'm missing something, this should be reason to lim The Bulge before Drew instead of the other way around
In post 590, biancospino wrote:
This case makes no sense unless Bulge is scum. Unless I'm missing something, this should be reason to lim The Bulge before Drew instead of the other way around
Drew thinks Bulge is town though, so him immediately jumping to defend himself and discredit the Bulge/Drew connection instead of just defending his townread creates a contradiction. I think it's just Bulge/Drew here but on the off chance we're wrong Drew has a higher chance of flipping scum than Bulge so that's where I want to go first.
-Nameless/A
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I disagree. For, if the Bulge is town, you're basically saying that scum!Drew is either actually tr'ing him but still putting up a guard in case he happens to be otherscum -- which Drew would think won't happen, because tr--; or is pretending to tr him, which would make very little sense as we've extensively established that scum wants to lim otherscum.
If you want to kill Drew on that basis, I think that just doesn't work unless he's partnered
In post 593, biancospino wrote:
you're basically saying that scum!Drew is either actually tr'ing him but still putting up a guard in case he happens to be otherscum
Yeah pretty much
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Like Bulge flipping scum pretty much always means Drew gets flipped next, so he's simultaneously trying to prevent a Bulge flip and also prevent the Drew flip if Bulge flips scum
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Idk, If I was scum and tr'd the Bulge, personally I'd take the risk of them being otherscum instead of doing this pantomime. Since the pantomime doesn't look that good in every case, and I'd be decently confident that the bad scenario I'm guarding against wouldn't happen anyway
In post 597, biancospino wrote:
Idk, If I was scum and tr'd the Bulge, personally I'd take the risk of them being otherscum instead of doing this pantomime. Since the pantomime doesn't look that good in every case, and I'd be decently confident that the bad scenario I'm guarding against wouldn't happen anyway
Realistically speaking it's Drew/Bulge, don't get it twisted. We're just hedging our bets on who's more likely to be scum if we're wrong on the solve
Also preliminary readlist since we've started to have enough opinions for it to matter
usesPython
HighPrincessErinys
Kokichi Oma
furtiveglance
biancospino
Oclaxian Empire
osuka
Enchant
Malakittens
Aureal
Black
The Bulge
Doctor Drew
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"I would also like to reiterate my claim that Osuka is sort of obviously town" - rc about scumsuka
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