Okay, I'm back to LLD using motion detector on a claimed Miller. We now see that she knew what the ability was before choosing a target, it wasn't unknown like we thought. Is this the normal expectation for what to do with a Miller claim, use an investigative action on it??
In post 1500, Aureal wrote:
Okay, I'm back to LLD using motion detector on a claimed Miller. We now see that she knew what the ability was before choosing a target, it wasn't unknown like we thought. Is this the normal expectation for what to do with a Miller claim, use an investigative action on it??
she *did not know* what her actions did, read the flips
I got a question to xyzzy
if you know you're a miller then why didn't you claim it at d1?
thats 100% should be your first posts of the game instead of a flavor hint
In post 1504, Aureal wrote:
I did read it, it's quite clear that the order is
1) choose host
2) find out what it does
3) choose target
oh, okay
i think it makes sense in a world she had a pocket scumread on greyice and was hoping to catch him in a lie, although it doesn't make as much sense if she *expected* a miller to give her a positive result
regardless, there is literally nothing less important than debating about the night action choice of a dead town player? she did what she did and it's done. I think greyice's slot is 99.9% town given there is confirmed to be a scum roleblocker in the game
I'm tempted to elim xyzzy just for holding unto a miller claim until d4
imagine if the town cop outed because they checked xyzzy and it turned that they were just a town miller
It would have been disastrous
What I'm getting at is that if it's normal for someone to go investigate a claimed Miller it could be a ploy to get cleared since they had that Borg queen ability to cloak. But I guess it's just for motion based actions, not cop checks, now that I look back at it. So I'm friggin confused.
Well this is a plan that they could've started hatching even before the game started. See the cloaking ability, realize there's probably some motion based investigative, try to do something to draw their attention while cloaked.
In post 1503, Mislim Bait wrote:
I got a question to xyzzy
if you know you're a miller then why didn't you claim it at d1?
thats 100% should be your first posts of the game instead of a flavor hint
it would've been good for the town if I'd been the target of a night kill; if I claim miller, scum is directly incentivized to leave me alone. I'm also not convinced it would've been at all beneficial to the town — a miller claim is inherently super WIFOM-y. there's obviously the drawback that an investigative role might waste a night checking me instead of just assuming I'd for sure come up scum, but that drawback doesn't outweigh the benefit of possibly blanking a night kill imo.
In post 1505, petapan wrote:
I think greyice's slot is 99.9% town given there is confirmed to be a scum roleblocker in the game
I don't follow. Because you think both of them are the bulletproof thing they claimed, not a roleblocker? Do you not think it's at all likely that there would be two 1x bulletproof townies? I find it hard to believe.
I'm more inclined to think that xyzzy was onto something with scum being informed of the bulletproof Miller, yet that doesn't mean Grey/MB actually has that role, he could be the roleblocker. They have a one shot unstoppable, figuring out who they would need to be using it to kill would be something they'd want to do. The bulletproof probably wouldn't be outright counterclaimed but it would likely make the townie who has it suspicious and nosy about it, like xyzzy was, giving them an indication who has the role.
Like, if you agree that there shouldn't be two bulletproof town millers I think this is 95% solved, no need to research Penguin or anything. Let me know if you agree on that point and I'll tell you why it's solved.
In post 1503, Mislim Bait wrote:
I got a question to xyzzy
if you know you're a miller then why didn't you claim it at d1?
thats 100% should be your first posts of the game instead of a flavor hint
it would've been good for the town if I'd been the target of a night kill; if I claim miller, scum is directly incentivized to leave me alone. I'm also not convinced it would've been at all beneficial to the town — a miller claim is inherently super WIFOM-y. there's obviously the drawback that an investigative role might waste a night checking me instead of just assuming I'd for sure come up scum, but that drawback doesn't outweigh the benefit of possibly blanking a night kill imo.
tanking a night kill is 100% not worth it compared to possibly outing our investigatives which ends up in you getting elim as town and inves getting nked
Even if it does theres very small chances of you getting shot by scum this game.
You've been suspected the whole game and its more likely that you get investigated than getting nked
You should've given up that plan much much earlier
I'll get to this tomorrow. But, I hate that I went back on my pork read. Also I'm still so confused about Borg. Is it actually a 3rd party? or what. Both borgs have been scum and Kawaii slot claimed borg. Soo...
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
In post 1521, Kokichi Oma wrote:
I'll get to this tomorrow. But, I hate that I went back on my pork read. Also I'm still so confused about Borg. Is it actually a 3rd party? or what. Both borgs have been scum and Kawaii slot claimed borg. Soo...
hebi and porken's role literally centered around the idea that borg exists outside their faction
In post 1519, Mislim Bait wrote:
GreyIce neverclaimed bulletproof
I see how it could be misunderstood
but I'm treestump
In post 689, GreyICE wrote:I'm Weyoun Six, member of the Temporal Alliance. The first time I die, I stick around.
...huh. I guess that claim technically
could
be treestump. I honestly can't come up with a valid assessment for why a town player would go for that (GreyICE very clearly wanted to create that ambiguity), but I also can't refute that it's possible that's what happened, and I can't see how it would be a beneficial move as scum.
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.