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Post Post #550 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2023 7:21 am

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In post 547, Aureal wrote: Some people here and there scumreading you (like me in 2111) seems like a meager basis for that original statement, and now you're going even further and wringing your hands about being a 'designated d1 lim'? You haven't answered the question about where this has happened, and obviously if it has you were able to get out of it since you claim to have never been voted out.
Are you forgetting FaI where the only person to actually push us for something AI was Black pulling an activity read on me?

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Post Post #551 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2023 7:29 am

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No, it's explicitly that game that's making me look at you funny for this position, because you said there that your norm is getting townread, so much so that you agreed you should act scummier because the other mafia might shoot you if you looked too towny.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Post Post #552 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2023 7:30 am

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And if by "getting out of it" you include replacing out for unrelated reasons then yeah I guess we
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gotten out of it every time, but the other times required us to effort to prevent getting SR'd in the first place since we don't actually know how to get people to swap their sr for a tr regardless of alignment

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Post Post #553 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2023 7:31 am

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In post 551, Aureal wrote: No, it's explicitly that game that's making me look at you funny for this position, because you said there that your norm is getting townread, so much so that you agreed you should act scummier because the other mafia might shoot you if you looked too towny.
Yeah that game taught me that norm ain't foolproof, turns out in only works in the Newbie queue

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Post Post #554 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2023 7:32 am

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Like I wasn't actually attempting to look scummy that game so idk how you're getting that conclusion

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Post Post #555 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2023 7:43 am

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Okay, I thought you were.

And yes, the Newbie Queue does not scumread in the same way as games with more experienced players. I've definitely learned that myself. Makes sense.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Post Post #556 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2023 7:53 am

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Voting me for having 7 posts seems arbitrary when burger party, merlyn, sircakez, ad all had low post counts even if I said people should post more
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Post Post #557 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2023 8:03 am

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With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to reject a player's right to keep playing in this game. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-05-18 09:15:00).

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Post Post #558 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2023 10:59 am

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In post 556, Save The Dragons wrote: Voting me for having 7 posts seems arbitrary when burger party, merlyn, sircakez, ad all had low post counts even if I said people should post more
why does it seem like this is all you're talking about
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Post Post #559 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2023 11:00 am

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townlean on Aureal cuz her recent posts have sounded pretty reasonable
Invisibility is actually AWESOME!
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Post Post #560 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2023 11:42 am

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Yeah big hood wise I think we hit scum in Flavor/Dan. Merlyn/STD/Dan have been lurking but Merlyn had ok early posts while STD's been existing and Dan had early susposting then dipped. Aureal has the SassTM I normally associate with her town game. Cakez kinda isn't wowing me but his posting is fine and the blatant early game buddying from Dan makes me not wanna lim here.

Small hood wise yessiree scum Invis town

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Post Post #561 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2023 11:45 am

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I'm not liking Dan spending the past 5 days prodging with the exception of a single question shot at Merlyn that went nowhere

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Post Post #562 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2023 12:50 pm

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In post 558, Invisibility wrote:
In post 556, Save The Dragons wrote: Voting me for having 7 posts seems arbitrary when burger party, merlyn, sircakez, ad all had low post counts even if I said people should post more
why does it seem like this is all you're talking about
what should i be talking about
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Post Post #563 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2023 12:52 pm

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man I dunno how do you feel about Python or FL or something
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Post Post #564 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2023 12:54 pm

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i dunno probably town on both

that wasn't super interesting
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Post Post #565 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2023 1:04 pm

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In post 564, Save The Dragons wrote: i dunno probably town on both

that wasn't super interesting
Who do you think is scum in the small hood?

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Post Post #566 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2023 1:16 pm

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i have no idea
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Post Post #567 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2023 3:15 pm

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In post 564, Save The Dragons wrote: i dunno probably town on both

that wasn't super interesting
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Post Post #568 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2023 3:20 pm

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In post 566, Save The Dragons wrote: i have no idea
bro, big hood was supposed to take center stage ever since small hood yielded, you forgot the memo?
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Post Post #569 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2023 4:05 pm

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prod noticeprodding Merlyn
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Post Post #570 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2023 5:05 pm

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Sorry, sorry. Not giving enough attention to this game, I'll try and fix.

So I just ISO'd all of FL's posts and my first gut instinct is town, bc before they subbed in big hood was basically DOA in terms of activity (I do know I've been part of this problem). If FL had subbed into a scum slot I think the smartest option would have been to lie low and let us mess the game up through inactivity. They have also been consistent in wanting to scumhunt regardless of the hood, the consistency reads town to me.

I do have some questions:
As far as I can tell, you felt the scum in little hood has to be invis or python bc they are controlling the flow the hood/or driving it as you later say in a way that yessiree is not- can you explain or give an example to me of what you mean by that?

Were you testing python somehow with the Aureal vote ('it's okay python, you already convinced me of python') and then you feel they failed? Were you scumreading them at this point?

I'm trying to understand your POV better bc my takes are so different here- like, to me yessiree seems scummier BECAUSE they're not so front and center as python and invis.
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Post Post #571 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2023 5:16 pm

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some newsReplacing ActionDan. If need be, the deadline will be paused.
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Post Post #572 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2023 7:55 pm

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In post 570, Merlyn wrote: Sorry, sorry. Not giving enough attention to this game, I'll try and fix.

So I just ISO'd all of FL's posts and my first gut instinct is town, bc before they subbed in big hood was basically DOA in terms of activity (I do know I've been part of this problem). If FL had subbed into a scum slot I think the smartest option would have been to lie low and let us mess the game up through inactivity. They have also been consistent in wanting to scumhunt regardless of the hood, the consistency reads town to me.

I do have some questions:
As far as I can tell, you felt the scum in little hood has to be invis or python bc they are controlling the flow the hood/or driving it as you later say in a way that yessiree is not- can you explain or give an example to me of what you mean by that?

Were you testing python somehow with the Aureal vote ('it's okay python, you already convinced me of python') and then you feel they failed? Were you scumreading them at this point?

I'm trying to understand your POV better bc my takes are so different here- like, to me yessiree seems scummier BECAUSE they're not so front and center as python and invis.
I just felt like Yessiree was just there in a way where they had no objective and was just existing. Python also gave them a pass for not thinking they would be put in a neighborhood with Yessiree, and Yessiree questioned why they thought that real early on, and I liked that. I also feel like when you voted Yessiree, it lead ScumPython to also accept movement there.

Yeah, I was just having some fun with the 'you already convinced me' line, but I wanted to see what Python would do, so yeah, there was definitely some reaction testing going on there. There wasn't really a 'pass or fail' type of thing, I was just curious on what would happen. I think it's funny how Python was okay voting Aureal, but then they just end up voting together.

The main reason I think yessiree isn't scummy because of them being behind is it doesn't feel like they have any scum motivation, and are kind of just existing. This isn't 100% by any means, because they could just be scum just existing, but both Yessiree and Invisibility could easily turn on me instead, and then be much safer with the game going forward.

Like a scum perspective from one of the two of them almost feels far better to vote me, then people likely just get Python tomorrow, and that's like a perfect double fade.

The fact that I haven't really gotten more pressure on me past the two that I was pushing makes me feel I'm right on at least one of them.

Personally, I still think it's Python as Python was always the more scummy option for me, Aureal I can see as town here, but I'm struggling to see Python as town.

I'm feeling like townAureal is town reading scumPython, and since I targeted both of them, townAureal felt a connection with scumPython, and came after me because it's a town read of theirs.

Sadly, if I am to believe Aureal town, I also start to leaning one of SirCakez/AD as big hood scum, which actually makes sense to me with Python's reads. They've been shading those 2 a bit, but they didn't really push them.

Frankly, while I did think SirCakez as townie, I am starting to think they are scum because they are possibly trying to move the game away from Python even though they were shading each other earlier.

I also tend to be able to gut read SirCakez pretty easily, so the fact I have a little bit of that does make me feel it's probably leaning Python/SirCakez.

Python would be doing the classic 'bus a buddy, vote a townie' scum ploy in that case.
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Post Post #573 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2023 8:00 pm

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This is kind of where I'm at right now. No order between tiers.

And it's funny, because a lot of people were pushing AD/Cakez as scum for a while, and I was against it, but something has flipped a bit as the game progressed, mostly just my read on Merlyn/STD/Aureal started to feel more developed.

STD really is a gut read, but I just don't see scum motivation with their play here. There's a bunch of little things about STD, like their vote on me, then the unvote, them saying 'idk both town, wasnt that interesting'.

Really, his energy has just felt not scummy.

If I'm wrong on Python, one of Yes/Invisi are scum, but Cakez/Python makes a lot of sense to me.

And I actually have caught Cakez a few times as scum too.
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Post Post #574 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2023 8:08 pm

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If you look here, SirCakez has arguments with their scum partner on Day 1, even going as far as calling their scum partner scum on Day 1. "this is not town Noraa at all!"

I don't know if I believe this, but it's something to consider. I'm kind of just re analyzing the game in case I'm just in a tunnel.

I actually am not confident at all with SirCakez, and really don't want to misfade there, so I'm still just happy with Python.

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