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Post Post #4800 (ISO) » Thu May 18, 2023 1:50 pm

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In post 4800, ofrhz wrote: Even with 2 town jailkeepers, the last maf could be a goon

Normal setups tend to be pretty town sided here, unless that's changed recently
I just finished one with a Lazy Traitor, and that almost caused scum to steal the game at the end.

So Normal doesn't mean there isn't a swerve or two.
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Post Post #4801 (ISO) » Thu May 18, 2023 2:07 pm

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Spoiler: claims and flips
day 1: kittytacky was a mafia bulletproof 1-shot follower
day 2: andante was a vanilla townie
night 2: flavor leaf was a vanilla townie
day 3: bub bidderskins was a mafia informed goon
night 3: save the dragons was a town mason
day 4: malcolmtucker was a vanilla townie
night 4: njac was a town loud jailkeeper
day 5: sheepsaysmeep was a mafia goon
night 5: curiouskarmadog was an ascetic townie

Kowahbunga - vt
Venmar - vt
ofrhz - vt
furtiveglance - mason
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sure, normals can get pretty wacky from my skim of recent games. regardless, this feels pretty balanced:

Mafia BP 1-shot Follower
Informed Goon
Goon
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Mason x 2
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Announcing Jailkeeper
Town Ascetic
1-shot bodyguard?

without the announcing JK, town would actually feel underpowered to me
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Post Post #4802 (ISO) » Thu May 18, 2023 2:25 pm

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Also, I honestly don't know who to vote.

My brain says Venmar, but not feeling it in the gut.
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Post Post #4803 (ISO) » Thu May 18, 2023 2:35 pm

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lookin at ofhrz's post:

ya i think like 4 clears is the norm; 2 masons plus two jailkeepers feels kind of overpowered but the loud is kind of negative utility bc theyre liable to get outted as a PR immediately, and scum also learn about the announcing jailkeeper's existence as soon as one of that jk's targets outs. ascetic is kindddd of a millerish kind of thing bc they dont get the loud or announcing stuff and cant be protected. uhhh i think announcing jailkeeper is probably town bc this would be scumsided if they were scum!
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Post Post #4804 (ISO) » Thu May 18, 2023 2:36 pm

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1-shot bodyguard feels out of place here
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Post Post #4805 (ISO) » Thu May 18, 2023 2:40 pm

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In post 4805, Skygazer wrote: 1-shot bodyguard feels out of place here
Why do you feel that?
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Post Post #4806 (ISO) » Thu May 18, 2023 2:41 pm

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VOTE: drew

claim feels weird and looking at his iso i dont like the way he tries to push people off of sheep onto malcolm while simultaneously trying to claim credit for the sheep wagon lol
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Post Post #4807 (ISO) » Thu May 18, 2023 2:43 pm

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In post 4806, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 4805, Skygazer wrote: 1-shot bodyguard feels out of place here
Why do you feel that?
like an instinctual thing? idk how to describe it but it looks out of place alongside the jailkeeps and masons. itd be so much protection
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Post Post #4808 (ISO) » Thu May 18, 2023 2:44 pm

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In post 4247, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 2719, MalcolmTucker wrote:
In post 2716, Bub Bidderskins wrote: VOTE: malcom
How come?
Ew, ew........ewwwww

Can we agree that no matter what Sheep flips, Malcolm is next.

Like I don't even need to read anymore of their iso.

Furt, I offer condolances to your fallen comrade, they were a true patriot. But maybe malcolm is a better vote for today?
In post 4307, Doctor Drew wrote: Tbf, I kind of was the lead on the sheep wagon. Furt kinda, ahem.....sheeped me.
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Post Post #4809 (ISO) » Thu May 18, 2023 3:02 pm

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In post 4803, Doctor Drew wrote: Also, I honestly don't know who to vote.

My brain says Venmar, but not feeling it in the gut.
can you order people from town to scum?
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Post Post #4810 (ISO) » Thu May 18, 2023 3:16 pm

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In post 4809, Skygazer wrote:
In post 4247, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 2719, MalcolmTucker wrote:
In post 2716, Bub Bidderskins wrote: VOTE: malcom
How come?
Ew, ew........ewwwww

Can we agree that no matter what Sheep flips, Malcolm is next.

Like I don't even need to read anymore of their iso.

Furt, I offer condolances to your fallen comrade, they were a true patriot. But maybe malcolm is a better vote for today?
In post 4307, Doctor Drew wrote: Tbf, I kind of was the lead on the sheep wagon. Furt kinda, ahem.....sheeped me.
Not exactly sure what your point is here.
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Post Post #4811 (ISO) » Thu May 18, 2023 3:17 pm

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i think the way youve gone about approaching sheep is sus
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Post Post #4812 (ISO) » Thu May 18, 2023 3:18 pm

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In post 4810, ofrhz wrote:
In post 4803, Doctor Drew wrote: Also, I honestly don't know who to vote.

My brain says Venmar, but not feeling it in the gut.
can you order people from town to scum?
It was Sheep and Malcom, and to a slightly lesser extant Venmar.

Now Ven is the only other person I feel could be scum, but as I said not really feeling it in my gut.

So:

Venmar
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Post Post #4813 (ISO) » Thu May 18, 2023 3:19 pm

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i started to second guess myself and then i saw that reads list
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Post Post #4814 (ISO) » Thu May 18, 2023 3:23 pm

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In post 4564, Skygazer wrote: VOTE: Venmar

also think its likely that one scum wanted to stay off wagon and venmar is the only one in my PoE off wagon
In post 4565, Enchant wrote: VOTE: Venmar

k
In post 4566, furtiveglance wrote: VOTE: Sheepsaymeep

I think Sheep is scum whatever Venmar is
In post 4567, Doctor Drew wrote: Honestly, sheep or Venmar is a toss up

VOTE: sheep
So do you think Venmar is town or scum then Sky?

Two votes right in a row on Venmar, then Furt votes Sheep and I return the favor to them and Sheep them on Sheep.

I was fine with either of them yesterday, I could have just went with Venmar......and I am picking up what you are putting down in that you are leaning scum on me.....so in that scenario Venmar is town.......so why buss my buddy?
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Post Post #4815 (ISO) » Thu May 18, 2023 3:37 pm

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idk venmar could also be the last scum here! just wanna explore this too. sorry if im wrong. ive been wrong a lot.

also at the time i was scumreading venmar i thought the announcing jailkeeper was scum which would make venmar mechanically scum (or protected by NJAC's jailkeep but eh!) because scum would know furtive was protected and make a different shot.

now im thinking the announcing jailkeeper is town. i think if the announcing jailkeeper is town and venmar is scum then that would have most likely been included venmar's defense earlier. but venmar's defense was based on him speculating he couldve been defended via NJAC which is such a bad defense if he knows for a fact the announcing jailkeep is town (which he would if he were scum). so i think venmar is always town tbh.

and if the announcing jailkeep is scum then venmar mechanically has to be town since he was jailkept n1 and the announcing still happened.

are you asking me why scum would wanna distance from their partners? lol
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Post Post #4816 (ISO) » Thu May 18, 2023 3:39 pm

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idk im kind of paranoid about most of the players left unfortunately but i think drew is who i wanna push
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Post Post #4817 (ISO) » Thu May 18, 2023 3:45 pm

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ill probably wind up sheeping furtive !! hope im right that that dude is town
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Post Post #4818 (ISO) » Thu May 18, 2023 3:46 pm

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my venmar read is a little moon logicky i think
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Post Post #4819 (ISO) » Thu May 18, 2023 3:48 pm

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In post 4792, ofrhz wrote:
In post 4692, Venmar wrote: Tbh I don't have any real defense aside from that fact that NJAC jailing me N1 from my PoV means I must've been the target of the mafia kill on N1. I'm kind of a useless player but I feel like that also makes me an easy blank canvas kill N1. Also if I was scum who got blocked from making a kill by an announcing NJAC, don't you think NJAC would've died sooner than N4...?

Still think Sheep is scum since I think an unconfirmed vig just feels like a fakeclaim made with the knowledge that a scum flipped bp.

VOTE: Sheep
Why did you think maf attempted to kill you night 1?

:shrug: this is assuming NJAC saved me. Maybe mafia shot Furtive? Just a theory tbh
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Post Post #4820 (ISO) » Thu May 18, 2023 3:48 pm

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In post 4793, ofrhz wrote: ^ did you think announcing jk was scum or town yesterday?

Never thought it was scum tbh
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Post Post #4821 (ISO) » Thu May 18, 2023 3:49 pm

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flavor and andante both have more posts than me and they both last posted a month ago lmao

okay im done for now
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Post Post #4822 (ISO) » Thu May 18, 2023 3:52 pm

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In post 4816, Skygazer wrote: idk venmar could also be the last scum here! just wanna explore this too. sorry if im wrong. ive been wrong a lot.

also at the time i was scumreading venmar i thought the announcing jailkeeper was scum which would make venmar mechanically scum (or protected by NJAC's jailkeep but eh!) because scum would know furtive was protected and make a different shot.

now im thinking the announcing jailkeeper is town. i think if the announcing jailkeeper is town and venmar is scum then that would have most likely been included venmar's defense earlier. but venmar's defense was based on him speculating he couldve been defended via NJAC which is such a bad defense if he knows for a fact the announcing jailkeep is town (which he would if he were scum). so i think venmar is always town tbh.

and if the announcing jailkeep is scum then venmar mechanically has to be town since he was jailkept n1 and the announcing still happened.

are you asking me why scum would wanna distance from their partners? lol
Lol, no scum will busF. But why would scumDrew not push the Venmar lim before locking in on Sheep if they were gonna buss, gotta at least take the stab at another mis elim right? And I was locked into Sheep for awhile the day before, they were at E-1 at least once with me not jumping. I only looked at Malcolms iso because everyone was all 'malcolm is scum!', and their iso was objectively scummy. I trusted Furt on Sheep, but thought they were the other scum remaining.

And obviously this is something that can't be proven lol, but no way Furt would still be alive if I was scum.......and NJAC would have died a Day before they did.

And never apologize for pushing who you think is scum, unless you are the last scum......then boo you lol.

Also I will ask you again, opinions on Venmar?

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Post Post #4823 (ISO) » Thu May 18, 2023 3:55 pm

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UNVOTE:

aaaaaaaa my brain cell

moon logicky basically just as in like my head is in the clouds and its a bit of a reach in immediate hindsight
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Post Post #4824 (ISO) » Thu May 18, 2023 4:00 pm

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In post 4807, Skygazer wrote: VOTE: drew

claim feels weird and looking at his iso i dont like the way he tries to push people off of sheep onto malcolm while simultaneously trying to claim credit for the sheep wagon lol
Lol, I claimed credit because someone(you?) were giving Furt shit for pushing Sheep when I was the first vote on them.

Also, I wanted to make the joke about Furt actually sheeping me on Sheep?

Get it?

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