Open 878: Scarfolk Council | The End

[Aisa]

VOTE: sheepsaysmeep
Idk fellow citizens of Scarfolk his towniness seems a bit overrated to me
Would anyone like to convince me this slot is town?

Spoiler: gif

Yes?

[Invisibility]

not sure how applicable my reasons are to you but I've mindmelded with some stuff he said and also he seems to be making an effort to solve. Changing his mind between 313 and 359 in light of new posts is townie. Not the world's strongest read but those are my reasons. Do you have a reason to think he's scummy?

[Aisa]

I've mindmelded with some stuff he said

I have very mixed feelings on mindmelding but the short of it is I'm not sure it's actually been a >rand tell for me.

and also he seems to be making an effort to solve. Changing his mind between 313 and 359 in light of new posts is townie.

This is explicitly something I do not townread, maybe even scumread a little bit.

While I think that changing your reads can sometimes be towny, I don't think this is the case here. You say that he "changed his mind", but I could equally say that maybe he's "going with the flow". Other players had already said they townleaned Woo because of their recent posting. It's not like sheep had invested a lot of effort into casing him. Why

not

walk back your read as scum here?

Not the world's strongest read but those are my reasons. Do you have a reason to think he's scummy?

Not really any specific reasons, more that I saw sheep's ISO and I thought it was all fakeable stuff. (Which tbf is just the way some town slots will come across.) I was just shopping for a new wagon and thought there would be interesting things to discuss here.

[Invisibility]

I have very mixed feelings on mindmelding but the short of it is I'm not sure it's actually been a >rand tell for me.

I find it useful cuz it's an indicator of having a townie thought process

but you make good points here. We can try this VOTE: Sheep

[Invisibility]

While I think that changing your reads can sometimes be towny, I don't think this is the case here. You say that he "changed his mind", but I could equally say that maybe he's "going with the flow". Other players had already said they townleaned Woo because of their recent posting. It's not like sheep had invested a lot of effort into casing him. Why

not

walk back your read as scum here?

specifically this made me reconsider

[Dunnstral]

I think that the above reads list makes Alianna scum. I find that townreading all the most active players is a sign that the person making the list is anti-town.

@mod

- are we getting a replacement for Dunn?

Generally when a player is gone for 48 hours the mod will send them a prod. After an additional 24 hours the mod will begin to look for a replacement.

So no, I don't think we will need a replacement in this scenario.

Yeah your reads are sorted by post count. I don't really by that as being a genuine thought process, but rather a byproduct of playing to the crowd. I also don't like that you list your scum leans as "null" as I also think that is a scum move to avoid making enemies by only pushing 1 or 2 people at a time.

VOTE: Alianna

Were you caught up when you made these posts?

I skipped from page 5 to right above my own posts

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I skipped from page 5 to right above my own posts

I dunno, maybe you believe townreading active posters is generally a scumtell

But it seemed a bit strange that you would call out the reads list without having read more to know if you agreed with the reads or not

[skitter30]

I find andante to be quite scummy tbh
I don't know why we're wagoning doctor drew tbh, i don't really get what people are finding scummy there

[skitter30]

maybe im just too wolfy to be a wolf… what an idea :)

>.>
This is Not a good post

[skitter30]

Cat Scratch Fever do u happen to have any reads on the active posters now? like andante/alianna/me etc.
it's kinda bugging me how ur avoiding commenting on relevant stuff

otherwise I would be townreading u lol. 151 and 213 are rly good imo

also what do I call u is it like Cat or CSF or something

I actually think csf is scummy for doing this

[skitter30]

The wagon on Andante's pretty good, but Drew has said he wants to catch up so I don't know why he's being wagoned either.

Can i interest u in voting andante?

[skitter30]

Reads are approximately this. They're relative to a scale, not to each other, and I went the other way around the colour wheel because (a) it's prettier and (b) my scumleans are usually orange. You can ask about my reasoning, but the response is going to be either "idk vibes lol" or "I already talked about that one."

{

Alianna

} - I townread Alianna.
{

Andante

}
{

Aisa, Invisibility, Cat Scratch Fever

}
{

sheepsaysmeep

}
{

Doctor Drew, implosion

}
{

Dunnstral, Cephrir, Menalque, skitter30

} - the null line
{

GuerillaWoo

}

So we have a problem. One person is sus and there's 2-4 bad guys in the game.
Kind of makes me think there's scum in the quiet people.
Or my scumdar's just broken.
Still like the Woo wagon for now, just think the null tier is worth looking into.

This is certainly an Interesting readslist

[skitter30]

Okay Aisa's vote is less sketchy lol.

I definitely also do at least lean town on Woo now.

I thought thag aisa/woo interaction was p townie for both of them

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I kinda think GuerillaWoo is scummy

I think a lot of people townread his posting on page 14, but 340 feels somewhat uncharitable in its interpretation of Drew's 308, 226, and 264. To be fair, Guerilla didn't actually outright say Drew is scum for these points, but I feel like there are other readings of those posts that more easily come to mind

[skitter30]

Vizzy
woo
sheep, Aisa
Mena, implo, dunn
Ceph - null
Alianna
Csf, drew
Andante

I think this is abt where i'm at, i'm cool with a wagon now on any of the bottom 4

Pedit >.>

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Cat Scratch Fever do u happen to have any reads on the active posters now? like andante/alianna/me etc.
it's kinda bugging me how ur avoiding commenting on relevant stuff

otherwise I would be townreading u lol. 151 and 213 are rly good imo

also what do I call u is it like Cat or CSF or something

I actually think csf is scummy for doing this

I'm town this game!

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Vizzy
woo
sheep, Aisa
Mena, implo, dunn
Ceph - null
Alianna
Csf, drew
Andante

I think this is abt where i'm at, i'm cool with a wagon now on any of the bottom 4

Pedit >.>

I'm lowkey townreading all of the people you have below null

[skitter30]

I feel like you're lurking and not really engaging with the content rhat exists

And that's unfortunate b/c i sr all of them

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Why did your Drew read change?

[Andante]

sup, I kinda got busy

[Andante]

Vizzy
woo
sheep, Aisa
Mena, implo, dunn
Ceph - null
Alianna
Csf, drew
Andante

I think this is abt where i'm at, i'm cool with a wagon now on any of the bottom 4

Pedit >.>

you have me as dead last? dang

[Andante]

ok sooo I tried to get reads/whatever when I was here last, uhhh idk what has changed since I was last here, and idk who I even sr, its been a long day, have early shift tomorrow.. I'll be around soon... tomorrow after work I might try and catch up, if not I'm free Tuesday. I don't have the brainpower for this

[skitter30]

Why did your Drew read change?

I liked implo's point abt how he isnt engaging in super good faith with woo

[skitter30]

Vizzy
woo
sheep, Aisa
Mena, implo, dunn
Ceph - null
Alianna
Csf, drew
Andante

I think this is abt where i'm at, i'm cool with a wagon now on any of the bottom 4

Pedit >.>

you have me as dead last? dang

Yes, this is why i'm voting u

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Spoiler:

Aisa's catchup is alright.

What if they're scum looking for something to criticise?

That's always possible, but I didn't read it that way. I agreed with them, it was odd.

If that's the case, why were you so worked up that a wagon built on me?

I wasn't? Lol someone asked what I thought of the wagons. All I said is I don't know why you're being wagoned. This is coming off like you wanting me to address your wagon for you tbh.

There is a disconnect,

you questioned why I was being wagoned just after Cat and I voted you

. You then voice displeasure with my wagon, I ask what you think of the people on my wagon and do you think they scum read me, you deflected a bit until you said basically 'seems for pressure which is always good'.

Here's the thing, you don't seem scared about a couple votes on you, but

I think you were trying to pocket me before your wagon really got going, especially since my wagon gained steam quickly, easy to be the white knight there.

This whole post kinda stinks to me. It feels like targeting something that, to me, has the aesthetics of a misunderstanding - GuerillaWoo clarifies that he wasn't worked up about the wagon, he was just responding because he was asked about it. And in response to that, Doctor Drew says in essence "no, you

were

worked up about it". I feel like the town response to this should acknowledge something like "okay, you're saying you didn't feel worked up about it, but I still think the way you responded is scummy because XYZ". But it feels like Doctor Drew has just found someone he wants to push on, and is just pushing on that person because he thinks he has an argument. It feels like he's not really reflecting on it. And beyond that GuerillaWoo's response is literally right below CSF's 253. He was responding to a question. Of course he's going to give some opinion when he's asked to give an opinion. He questioned why Doctor Drew was being wagoned literally in the next post after being asked what he thought of major wagons... and yet Drew is trying to ascribe it to the fact that it was after Cat and Drew voted him?

I don't really see why it couldn't have been a pocketing statement from Drew's perspective and a response to my question at the same time

Was basically my thought when I read this