Micro 1079 - dividing connor (game over)

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I would also like to point out that everyone in this game has interacted with me trying to understand my thought process.

Aureal has constantly been confused with what I’m saying, and we had a large back and forth Day 1.

Merlyn and I have been talking since Day 1, and they were trying to understand my read on Python/Invisibility while saying they think it’s Yessiree.

Andante and I had a big back and forth 1v1 where we shouted our own thoughts at each other.

SirCakez entire interaction with me has been saying “I’m okay never eliminating Flavor this day phase” on day 1, and stuff to that regard when I was town reading them, and then they threw thorns at me when I was scum reading/pushing them.

This is extreme conditional response. And some players like Andante do this as town, sure, but it’s different.

I tunneled Andante because they just OMGUS everything, but that’s the difference: when Andante pushes for getting target, it’s emotional, such as Aureal doing it.

SirCakez is pure discredit throwing thorns and on top of the kills that were made, they’re playing a sit back and left town destroy themselves game.

They might not have had a large in game presence, but the night actions line up to a scum POV with them.

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VOTE: SirCakez

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UNVOTE: SirCakez

Well damn

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I don’t know.

I disagree that he can’t do it. I also don’t think it’s necessarily as mastermind as people are saying from their pov. It’s good scum play, but you’re acting like it needs to be impossible levels, but Cakez is a veteran.

Where’s your head at Aureal?

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I came into Day 2 thinking Oclax was probs town, Andante was probs scum, thinking that it was either Yessiree/STD or Invisibility/Cakez over the night.

In addition, I’ve thought Merlyn was town the majority of this game, almost every time I talk with them, it makes sense.

It’s enough merit to want Andante over Merlyn here.

Merlyn was correct on Yessiree from Day 1. We could say that maybe it was distancing and TMI, but I don’t feel like it’s right to punish Merlyn here this day phase over Andante, who was at one point trying to power lim Oclax before they moved onto Merlyn.

If we’re fading within Merlyn/Andante 1v1, I prefer Andante here.

STD was also on Oclax end of Day 1, and I feel like VCA wise, that makes sense to have scum on it.

Merlyn was unvoted end of Day 1.

And SirCakez hammered Python.

So there are 3 lines of thoughts in regarding that, did SirCakez scum need to hammer there, or could they have waited for another? They did announce ahead of time they would hammer, which of town, leaves scum okay not hammering. I think it does have some merit for that to be a town hammer.

Merlyn was defending Python all day 1, and was scum reading Yessiree. That was the merit of their posts besides town reading me to be honest. They were actively trying to get me to lean off of Python and then lean off of Inivisibility.

I don’t have a great case as to why townAureal, but they were voting by themselves day 1, but i just don’t think Aureal/Yessiree is the scum team.

Python kind of leaned here for a bit, though, so it’s not like impossible, but I really don’t think it’s Aureal.

VOTE: Andante

I stand with Merlyn here.

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If this is wrong, then it falls to the final 3. Whoever makes that final 3, spend the time to analyze who you think it is before choosing who to vote.

Merlyn has been right this game. I sheep.

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I stand with Merlyn here.

cause merlyn "thinks it's me" solely cause I literally cased merlyn? lol yeah..

What is this “solely”?

I’ve put some much work on every slot here.

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It’s possible.

But you’re also working with bias from knowing your own slot.

You’re acting like I’m the only one not going after Merlyn when that’s def not the case.

I’ve spent back and forth.

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I don’t like you minimizing my case.

It could be wrong, but that doesn’t invalidate my thoughts

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FL you seemed pretty convinced I was scum and now you back off so quickly?

I town read you like instantly when you talk directly towards me.

I also don’t understand why it takes so long to go through one of Andante/Merlyn if you were scum here.

But I’m back and forth between the 3 of you and at the point, I just want the day to end, and if we miss, final 3 figures it out.

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Like nobody is giving me anything to work with, so I’m going on full past stuff.

And when they do, it’s just questioning me going back and forth.

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I would like other slots to talk about slots not me. You can still like question and focus on me if ya want, but I need to see stuff outside.

Andante has done stuff on Merlyn, and that’s great, but it’s really all I’m getting from anyone

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FL you seemed pretty convinced I was scum and now you back off so quickly?

Like who cares about this? I’ve been going back and forth literally all day phase because nobody is giving me anything to solve off.

Can we get some actual thoughts and analysis?

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Part of me wants to move off Andante simply because they’re the only one giving any type of readable analysis.

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UNVOTE: Andante


16 out of 17 of SirCakez last posts have zero analysis in them.

The 1 piece of analysis they have in them is when they said they are empathizing with me not knowing where scum is.

I’m also sick of people getting all pissy for me pushing them. This is literally the game. I’m analyzing your slots.

Get over it and do something.

Because I’m literally just in a WIFOM circle here and that’s shown with my analysis, so being confused to why I’m going back and forth makes absolutely no sense.

I need you all to do more. I don’t necessarily need you to respond to me or anything directly, just do some analysis.

FL you seemed pretty convinced I was scum and now you back off so quickly?

Hi Andante, we should talk. Wya with reads?

The reason I've been "sitting back" all game is just because of how much stuff I've had going on irl all game. It's not some big mastermind play. I've literally never ever been able to do something like that as scum.

Hi this is definitely last night when I said I'd be here

Sorry y'all I will hopefully be in here tonight

Really need Merlyn to do something; I'm not convinced the slot is scum but we can't leave it around if they won't do anything

Andante do you think FL has a decent chance to be scum here?

hold on yall let me get into this game i'm not powerlimming anyone
i need to feel it out now that the noise from the small hood is gone

i suspect everyone to be honestly, i don't think i feel good about any slot in this game

im glad we got rid of yes quickly. from my experience having outed scum alive and keeping them around just causes a huge obnoxious drag on the thread and solving until the scum is yeeted. i don't want any of the bs games, yes was already starting to pull them yesterday.

two cents

VOTE: yes

And we should just fade yes at EoD, why would we not kill the confscum?

Anyone down for this game path -> fade Sircakez, then you get a 1v1 between Andante/Oclax.

Sorry, I don't want a SirCakez/Andante 1v1, would rather Andante/Oclax 1v1. So do the 1v1 after SirCakez.

Ohhh get this bullshit out of here you went all day saying I was buddies with Python and Python flips town and now I'm scum from it somehow?

Lol????

VOTE: usespython
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i need some flips to work with

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FL you seemed pretty convinced I was scum and now you back off so quickly?

These type of questions literally just accomplish nothing.

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If you are town, you need to do something. I get if people are busy and inactive, but when you are here, we need to come up with something.


I don’t even care if I’m the one faded at this point.

Just need more.

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Andante, can you make your Merlyn case again in one post? Bullet points.

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all merlyn did was tunnel yess this game, and we wonder why yess was ok with just giving up like that.... cause that's what that was. scum giving up by killing invisibility, since scum literally had to kill in big hood next night

Oh, this is basically it.

Yeah, it’s a good reasoning.

I don’t think it’s 100%, though, but it is a good reasoning.

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We should have went Yessiree today and not yesterday.

Lazy play

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so some general thoughts from reading isos and nothing else:

cakez iso feels uninspiring and very safe reads.
std/andante slot feels very consistent which like. there could be town motive, but based off what andante has said i dont think she has really read very much of the game when she made the posts she did, which points to +scum for me in terms of being consistent in reads.
burger/fl is town. i dont think fl is egotistical enough to go for any degree of play that makes sense with this kill.
merlyn feels very safe in reads. there's nothing of note really or anything that really takes a major stance from what i could tell, which is something i feel like cakez does have, which ig is +scum? idk how to read it fully
aureal feels like aureal to me still, which just means i have no read on aureal either way, but i think the kill could mildly point towards aureal on this read.
i'm town.
yessirree is scum.

This is absolutely never a FL kill by the way

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FL you're being really dramatic lol

I can be dramatic in my sleep

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VOTE: Merlyn

Third prod anyways

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Hey Aureal, what do you think read wise in this game? I find it interesting you seemed to agree with me in hood about merlyn, but like, you didn't want to hammer the e-1 merlyn vote? (cakez too tbh)

and aureal, like, you don't seem to care who we lim? don't want to take a side? where's your head at with this game

I think it's pretty clear that I dunno wtf is going on here. All my townreads are dead, and none of you are covering yourself in towniness.

Cakez is taking the same position of not being sure what to do.
FL is all over the board so I can't really get on the same page with case he makes because he'll just decide it's no good after all an hour later. I was almost starting to come around with his points on Cakez and the NKs but then Cakez said a few totally generic things about having been busy and FL townread that? Confusion.
Merlyn kinda pinged me back on day one with the talk about "let's sort big hood" instead of just trying to sort big hood, like she wanted to look productive more than actually be productive; and the "we're in a really dangerous spot" comment on that topic seemed a little excessively dramatic. But I asked you both about your apparent meta read on her having a strong town game while she's being lurky here and didn't get a response, so I'm not exactly feeling the rush to hammer. I've never hammered anyone with days left on the deadline timer- is this really where I want to learn how?

My points don't stop existing just because I'm no longer voting there.

Literally, who cares where I'm reading at any given time if I give points on every slot.

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I will hammer Cakez.

I'm done with this day.

It's a WIFOM circle.

If you want Cakez, Aureal, go Cakez. I will also go Cakez.

Stop looking at where I end up. I've said this like four times.

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You just arent even trying to understand.

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just hammer we have big hood to talk

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If Merlyn didn't get third prodded, I probs wouldnt be going there today.

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UNVOTE: Merlyn

Andante, let's say Merlyn flips town.

What's that do for you on Cakez/Aureal?

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@Andante - I'm obv af town, and I know you see it. If Merlyn is scum, theyve been TMI'ing me, I get that.

But if they're town with a correct read this game, that's why I need you to read into and potentially make scum cases and town cases for both Cakez and Aureal. I think you're most likely to die tonight.

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EH, probably not most likely, but there's a world where if Aureal is scum or SirCakez is scum, you die here. Cakez could hope Aureal's confusion in a 1v1 would have them aim at me.

I just dont think Aureal's a big threat to whoever is scum right now, and dont think they die if theyre town.

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I just get these feelings every now and then that Cakez is fake af, but then they talk to me directly, and it goes away. but that's the case with every player in this game.

I'm leaning either Cakez or Merlyn probably.

Probably willing to just give up on thinking it's Andante purely because they're the ones who were giving me the most to read, and if that's the case and they're scum, fine, they can have the win.

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I think Cakez is the simplest answer.

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I feel like ScumFL is the most complicated answer tbh

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I’m meticulous and consistent af as scum

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Andante’s case is not crap.

If you are town, Merlyn, their case still makes sense. I don’t think it always makes you scum here, but their case makes sense.

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If I were scum here, I just vote sit on Andante and wait for someone to vote them, and then get Merlyn faded tomorrow.

I am the most objectively town player in this game by far, I’m just switching my mindset over and over because I am essentially trying to solve this game myself.

There is absolutely zero reason for me to do that here as scum.

You all should literally just consider me as conf town at this point.

This is absolutely insanely bold to state this right here if I were scum, and there is absolutely no reason for me to play this way as scum because the win con I already stated would be easy af.

Merlyn, stop with the Playing The Victim card being setup for a Mislim.

Just play the game. We’re right here.

I also don’t see any shape or form how you can possibly think I am “setting you up for a mislim”.

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“ FL is all over the board so I can't really get on the same page with case he makes because he'll just decide it's no good after all an hour later.”

Aureal said this.

You don’t need me to tell you what to do. Why does it matter if I change? If you liked the points, you can use them for yourself.

Help me stay on track instead of giving up.

Like come on….

Y’all are killing me

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My tone isn’t angry or frustrated really by the way, im just constantly slamming my head on the table

Trying to figure out where we wanna eat since all y’all say you’re hungry, but i don’t care where we eat, and I’ve given my preferences and options, and im giving pros and cons of each, like the distances of each, the price.

But none of y’all wanna eat

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So why not just let us eat Cake

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Both Cake and Aureal should vote before this day ends. And we can change accordingly, but let’s not have anyone not having a single vote this day phase

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Part of me wants to just kill Aureal, because out of everyone in this game, I’d be the most angry if they won as scum.

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I also don’t trust them in Final 3

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VOTE: Aureal

I’m okay policy-ing this and leaving this game to Final 3 if they’re town.

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Part of me wants to just kill Aureal, because out of everyone in this game, I’d be the most angry if they won as scum.

Merlyn into Aureal wins the game, idk how these 2 were your most confident TRs the other day lol

Mostly fabricated political ness, not gonna lie.

And I’m right about 1 of them and you’re wrong about 1 of them, so we have same percentage of accuracy with them

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I just think you both are town

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Oh now they talk.

Let’s fade em

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“ FL is all over the board so I can't really get on the same page with case he makes because he'll just decide it's no good after all an hour later.”

Aureal said this.

You don’t need me to tell you what to do. Why does it matter if I change? If you liked the points, you can use them for yourself.

Help me stay on track instead of giving up.

Like come on….

Y’all are killing me

They're

your

points about Cakez. If you change your mind about them being good, what am I supposed to think about them? You've talked about how you think you can read Cakez when he's scum. I'm basically not familiar with Cakez's play at all- we've only ever slightly interacted in one game where he was in a hydra with Alisae and got NKed night one after a day that didn't last 72 hours.

This is not a good post.

It doesn’t matter if I’m the one that made them, that doesn’t mean you can’t agree with them.

If you liked the points, me moving away from them shouldn’t make you act like the points don’t exist.

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My tone isn’t angry or frustrated really by the way, im just constantly slamming my head on the table

Trying to figure out where we wanna eat since all y’all say you’re hungry, but i don’t care where we eat, and I’ve given my preferences and options, and im giving pros and cons of each, like the distances of each, the price.

But none of y’all wanna eat

Bud, you literally unvoted 8 minutes after telling Cakez to go ahead and hammer when he'd stated intent. What exactly are you even complaining about here?

And if you don't care, how can you complain that we supposedly don't care?

You’re saying i don’t care about oranges when i wanted people to care about apples

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Kill Aureal

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If I’m the only one who thinks Cakez could be scum here, then find, I’ll let that go because they did well enough to not get the heat elsewhere.

Andante has been one I’m okay letting slip by since it does look like they were at least trying to do stuff.

I would prefer going Aureal into Merlyn then, if that works out.

Just if we have to go to final 3, I’d prefer Aureal not being there.

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You are making my head spin FL. Okay, I'll look into the Cakez angle tonight.

The feeling’s mutual to everyone else here, respectfully

Besides Andante, but if they’re scum, they win because of it frankly.

When nobody says anything, it gets me antsy and I just ramble ramble ramble, so y’all just got to hear my inner monologues working

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Aureal’s point on Cakez being able to vote still and the unvote changes nothing is something I’ve been feeling too is odd.

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Just like to point out that everyone besides me is currently being voted, and I think that says something

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What it says, idk, but def something

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I do think Andante/Merlyn/FL is a town triangle.

Merlyn, would you fade Cakez here?

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VOTE: Cakez

Let’s go here today. We can talk overnight if games not over

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I’m frankly not voting Andante this game

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I just really don’t see the scum motivation of leaving me to go onto Oclax to go onto Merlyn.

Plus, I can’t really see a lot of STD scum reasonings.

+ I’m okay leaving an Andante vs Merlyn until final 3 if need be.

My thing with it is if SirCakez is scum, and we go you or Andante today, we’re just going to go the other one tomorrow. I’d rather get Cakez out of the way and then deal with your 1v1.

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Plus, I can’t really see a lot of STD scum reasonings.

Can you see a lot of STD town readings, though?

More than Cakez tbh

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Hmm, just quick ISO’d, and I was able to make more of a scum case than a town case.


I guess I’m okay with Cakez->Andante.

Aureal has to be on board, though.

Maybe that really was just a town triangle earlier, Aureal confusion and nothing is just confusing me, though

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Why’d you choose Merlyn over Andante then?

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Why’d you choose Merlyn over Andante then?

we have 10 hours left and Merlyn seems limmable while there hasn't been much appetite for an Andante lim from anyone except Merlyn

Your vote would have been Andante to E-1 as well.

Feel like them in Merlyn have the same limmability.

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but you said you don't want to lim Andante and Aureal hasn't really shown any desire for it either, so who hammers?

Not any different from us with Merlyn, though

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Vote Andante, let’s see how i feel in the moment

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im nervous if i move to andante and am not able to make it back before deadline that we will no lim

Nah, no need to worry about that. Merlyn will just come in and hammer you.

You have weird worries

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Feels like you’re afraid of voting Andante because Andante will turn on you, so you voted Merlyn in hopes one of me or Aureal just wanted day to end and vote Merlyn

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Go on.

Throw a vote on Andante.

Who knows, I might just flip. Idk what I’ll think.

What do you got to lose?

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Alternative is Merlyn comes in any moment to hammer you

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Looks like you want one of us to turn onto Merlyn really

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Looks like we’re going into a No lim if Merlyn doesn’t make it before deadline

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Idk, seems like you're just afraid of Andante turning on you, and holding out for one of Aureal or myself to turn onto Merlyn.

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Like if you're actually gonna vote Andante then do it, why are you trying to like...bait me first

Because I wanna bait you to doing it first.

I don't know at this moment if I'm going to hammer Andante, but if the option is there, who knows if I can resist.

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I feel like I'm more likely to vote Andante over Merlyn, but this is really just me seeing if I think you're scum or not.

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Yes, I would have hammered Andante, Cakez. :/

If you’re town, is what it is.

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It’s fitting it comes down to the 3 of us.

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Don’t vote for now. Let’s just talk.

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I have a really strong 3p ELO win record.

I am not sure about this one.

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I just needed to not have SirCakez in final 3.

Would you like to say your reads first, Merlyn?

I think we should go 1 by 1, you can popcorn to one of us after you go.

My reasoning for you going first is Andante death, and that you have had the most heat on you for the past day phase. I think that’s fair.

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Like, I have more to say, for sure, but i think we can go 1 by 1, then have group discussion. We can kind of group discuss simultaneously of course, I just think we should all say where we are currently leaning and why.

On the most simplistic of terms for reasoning.

I’m leaning [insert] because [insert]

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damn, i was way off this game.

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Alright, I'll shoot.

I think that Aureal is the last scum. Andante death points directly towards Merlyn, and Merlyn could have killed off Aureal, and I probably would have voted Andante.

I don't think me going Aureal is a vote Merlyn would have wanted to go, and I dont necessarily think Merlyn was trying to fade me. I guess it's possible they hoped Aureal would vote me for pure confusion, but I looked back last day phase, and saw multiple Aureal posts I didn't like. Ones that also have a lot of TMI in hindsight.

They attacked my Python read heavily. They were a large catalyst in Python vs Flavor, and Aureal played underneath Python while Yessire played underneath me, so it was a Double Warlock play.

Merlyn I've gut trusted all game, and I do see the case on them, I really do, but my gut says Merlyn's town. If they're scum, yeah, they played a pocket route, but it worked. I'm in the pocket.

My defense: I hope it makes sense out there that it does not make sense for me to kill Andante. It just doesn't. It didn't make sense for me to kill Invisibility, it didn't make sense for me to kill Oclax. If I were scum, killing Andante made this game insanely more difficult based on Merlyn stating that they thought it was me or Andante, and Aureal being confused by me all game.

Andante would have immediately voted Merlyn, and I would have won the game if I were scum.

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UNVOTE: Invisibility
VOTE: Merlyn

VOTE: Merlyn

UNVOTE:

However, this does look pretty rough for Merlyn that Yessiree put them at E-1, then unvoted quickly.

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VC 1.07

Meryln

(3):

ActionDan, Invisibility, usesPython

Invisibility

(1): BurgerParty

yessiree

(1): Merlyn

SirCakez

(1): Aureal

BurgerParty

(1): SirCakez

Not Voting

(2): Save the Dragons, yessiree

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to reject a player's right to keep playing in this game. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-05-18 09:15:00).

mod notes: 351 / 13 = 27

this all being town is rough, however, Merlyn is on Yessiree. Why wouldnt yessiree be okay to be on Merlyn?

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Aureal killing me instead of Andante, they win off Merlyn fade too, though, so it's probably just Merlyn.

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Yeah, this sucks

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It's townier to be completely lost, so points for town Aureal.

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Oh, that was an e-1 vote on Merlyn. Didn't notice that. It was there for an hour with no posts between yessiree voting then unvoting.

What exactly do you find scummy in that?

If he didn't want a lolhammer why put Merlyn at E-1 unannounced for over an hour? Either his reasoning for the unannounced E-1 is a lie ("someone hammer before Invis gets back LOL") or his reasoning for the unvote is a lie ("and I didn't want someone to derp hammer and end the day yet, a lot of big hood players haven't fully gotten into this game. I'm still good with giving them a bit more time")

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Hmm, so this is actually a good point for scumAureal over scumMerlyn.

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VOTE: Aureal

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python, I can't tell if you're pretending or you are genuinely unable to tell that one is clearly a joke and the one is serious?

I doubt you lack the ability to read the tone there

You expect me to believe town!yessiree put Merlyn at E-1 unannounced for over an hour as a joke?

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Yeah, this is too big for scum to risk in this setup, imo.

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but why wouldnt yessiree just stay on Merlyn if merlyn is town

fuck me

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damn, gg.

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i could feel i was in a pocket, and i couldnt do anything about it

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Aureal and I were just not on the same page all game.

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off game.

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I just had too much of a conscience this game, I couldn’t turn on Merlyn. I just absolutely would have felt so bad if they were town