Open 878: Scarfolk Council | The End

[Invisibility]

i mistaked you with implosion

somehow

yeah so what do you think now

[Invisibility]

Ugh i really feel like andante is using the claim to avoid getting pushed,she feels super scummy to me

yeah I still find Andante exceedingly scummy

[Enchant]

i mistaked you with implosion

somehow

yeah so what do you think now

About what

[Andante]

Dunnstral:

Well I mean, kind of but not really. sheep is town for 40 being the kind of thing town would try to do early and that I think would be a less natural remark for scum to make. Invis is town specifically for wagoning off "gut pingss" being a slightly brazen thing for scum to do. I also kind of want to call the "don't eat wagons" banter townish just for idk, natural banter in thread on page 2.

I agree with the sheep reasoning. I disagree on the Invisibility reasoning - I don't think that is town indicative.

The fact that i had had the same thought abt vizzy

This is eyebrow raising for me.

If we have a serial killer, pretty sure it's implosion based on how he's playing, it reads to me as like "hey! tr me!!! look at my effort" and sk not knowing scum team? easy to do this

how do you distinguish this from town solving?

cause it's less than 100 posts in and implosion is trying like super hard, it just screams sk to me

Why can't town try hard?

andante seems a bit like an exaggerated version of andante right now but idk

I agree with this

- short ISO, this is Dunn's first post, not sure I love it tbh, like, "here is me catching up, commenting on random posts, and not really adding anything to any of the thoughts

I think that the above reads list makes Alianna scum. I find that townreading all the most active players is a sign that the person making the list is anti-town.

- and then this and one of the next posts is like "can't just TR the active people!!" like, generally town will be more active than scum, not sure the issue here? like, to go so far as to even screenshot the player activity stuff... like, you're not really giving any thoughts on the game, yet you're VERY aware of activity levels?? idk, seems off

I actually somehow only noticed this game opened this morning and hadn't gotten around to it until tonight. Didn't realize it's been 48 hours yet.

- I think this post would’ve been fine… if it was Dunn’s first post, but after “catching up” and commenting on activity levels, feels weird, not sure if this makes dunn scum, but like with this and above, I’m not really seeing how dunn would be town and make these posts

I like GuerillaWoo and would not want to see them go.

- So this is like Dunn’s first read? I’m not a fan of how earlier Dunn went after whoever for the activity reads list, but then left it at that, possibly makes Dunn and Alianna partners? Which is why Dunn seemed so passionate about that? Cause this would be Dunn’s 2nd read.. and there’s like no passion with it, but for Alianna, Dunn went as far as to screenshot the activity levels… and seemed confident in alianna scum, but then just dropped that thought? Cause the general Alianna SR was fading? Maybe…

So we have a problem. One person is sus and there's 2-4 bad guys in the game.

If you're town your problem is that you will townread everyone for light banter and giving the bare minimum of content. You are not being skeptical enough.

- Back to like throwing shade at Alianna? Without fully pushing alianna… like Dunn’s stance in regards to Alianna feels like partners, hesitant to just full on go after alianna, but still wants the town points for an alianna scum flip…

I don't like Cat Scratch Fever's posts on page 11. That's just a feeling for now though. I think GuerillaWoo is talking a lot of sense on this page.

- Again, the only “confidence” I see from Dunn is this Alianna read… these other reads… just exist, like, why are you so passionate about alianna scum, yet here “I don’t like CSF” is as far as you go..

I'm not doing that though. The players in null are not scumleans, they are null.

If you think everybody else is town, by definition you have to think there are several scum in that set of players. They are not null - you think they have a higher than average chance of being scum.

You are describing it as null but above you say you think there are likely scum in that group, and I don't suppose you think there are scum in your town reads, so what would you call that?

- The ONLY person Dunn is really interacting with is Alianna, like, this isn’t interacting with someone you’re convinced is scum?? The last part of that feels like trying to help a partner “I don't suppose you think there are scum in your town reads, so what would you call that?” like, “hey answer this and you look towny!!”

I skipped from page 5 to right above my own posts

I dunno, maybe you believe townreading active posters is generally a scumtell

But it seemed a bit strange that you would call out the reads list without having read more to know if you agreed with the reads or not

I explained my reasoning. I think it is naive to townread all the most active players, at best, and scum motivated at worst.

- So above, Dunn went “I don’t like CSF’s posting” or whatever, and here it’s like, answering in a way to get CSF to TR you, again, not how I think one would treat a genuine SR


Soooo TLDR:
I think Dunn is scum, the low activity for one feels scum indicative, and what we do have from dunn, does not feel like town trying to find scum at all. In fact, after a dunn scum flip I would look into alianna, not 100% sure the 2 are partnered, but the interactions, I don’t get why Dunn got so passionate with talking to/about alianna compared to others.

VOTE: Dunn

[Andante]

I was gonna go through all the ISOs/collect thoughts, but after the first one, I do not think Dunn is town, and I'm satisfied with voting here

[Andante]

told yall I just needed some free time to get into this... but yeah, Dunn is mafia and the best vote here tyvm

[Enchant]

Okay.

VOTE: Dunn

[Invisibility]

i mistaked you with implosion

somehow

yeah so what do you think now

About what

meeeeeeeeeeeee :3

[Andante]

Hey Invisibility, Dunn is mafia, want to join the votes on mafia?

[Andante]

Unless you think dunn is town, then I'd love to hear it

[Andante]

look, the Dunn ISO is SHORT. I want all yall to look at it, and give some thoughts, it has been over 6 IRL days. do yall really think those 13 posts are town!Dunn? What part of them is even an attempt to find scum. I feel like even in my nonsenseness, I had actual thoughts for yall, like I've been sold on implosion as SK since the start. Dunn of there? pretty much nothing. has a few reads, lost it at Alianna TRing the people posting...

I invite yall to go look at Dunn, cause I'm pretty certain Dunn is scum (it might not be with alianna, though alianna is a good place to start looking after a dunn scum flip)


cause I'm telling you. Dunn is scum here

[Enchant]

i mistaked you with implosion

somehow

yeah so what do you think now

About what

meeeeeeeeeeeee :3

Idk

[Umlaut]

Dunnstral was prodded.

[Andante]

I feel like the almost 0 engagement from Dunn is also scum indicative...

[Invisibility]

and then this and one of the next posts is like "can't just TR the active people!!" like, generally town will be more active than scum, not sure the issue here? like, to go so far as to even screenshot the player activity stuff... like, you're not really giving any thoughts on the game, yet you're VERY aware of activity levels?? idk, seems off

questioning Dunn's read is pretty reasonable though not for this reason. I don't think it's an indicator of Dunn being more aware of the game then he lets on cuz like the activity overview takes about 1 second to read. Though yeah it is a pretty weak reason to SR someone.

why are you so passionate about alianna scum

I don't see this

Cause the general Alianna SR was fading?

Back to like throwing shade at Alianna? Without fully pushing alianna… like Dunn’s stance in regards to Alianna feels like partners, hesitant to just full on go after alianna, but still wants the town points for an alianna scum flip…

what do you make of Dunn letting off the gas but also shading?

The last part of that feels like trying to help a partner “I don't suppose you think there are scum in your town reads, so what would you call that?” like, “hey answer this and you look towny!!”

is it that partner-y to quibble over unimportant semantic stuff? Don't think that any response from Alianna would grant her much towncred anyway

answering in a way to get CSF to TR you, again, not how I think one would treat a genuine SR

I don't see this either

Hey Invisibility, Dunn is mafia, want to join the votes on mafia?

I don't think that vote has much going for it. Also weren't you wanting to vig me like five pages ago

[Invisibility]

i mistaked you with implosion

somehow

yeah so what do you think now

About what

meeeeeeeeeeeee :3

Idk

lol

[Invisibility]

yeah okay rereading Dunn's ISO it is pretty sparse. I kinda don't want to vote there right now though when the wagon is composed of very scummy and fairly scummy. Maybe tomorrow

[Andante]

whatever. I literally just found the final scum last game, no one wanted to listen last game. Scum!Dunn plays exactly like this, I have never seen town!dunn barely participate in a game. this ISO screams scum. there's nothing about it that makes me think for 1 second dunn could be town, dunn isn't trying to scumhunt, dunn's posting is solely to try and appear towny.

so whatever. lim whoever idgaf, people refused to listen to me last game when I was right, and it sounds like that's how this game is going so whatever

[Invisibility]

I am hearing you out Andante. I am literally agreeing with you

[Andante]

cause I'm not playing this "well andante is scummy so can't listen to her" I'm scummy? you think scum me makes the posts I've made on the last 2 pages? so when others show up and go "yeah andante is town" then suddenly you won't think I'm scummy anymore? like hello? I'm playing the game here, I went through Dunn's ISO gave my thoughts, YOU AGREE the ISO is bad. but "oh andante scummy, so she can't be right"

[Andante]

I am hearing you out Andante. I am literally agreeing with you

yeah exactly, but "I'm not voting there cause you are" sure makes me feel real great

[Andante]

especially after me putting in all my effort to the other game I repped into... where I was correct.... yet got completely ignored

[Invisibility]

what

so when others show up and go "yeah andante is town" then suddenly you won't think I'm scummy anymore?

what

[Andante]

what? I can just about guarantee half this PL when they show up is gonna go "ok yeah andante is town"

except now mena will go "I was gonna, but she said it so nah"

so once they go yeah she's def town! then you're gonna magically change your read/stance on my slot here? like "ok andante isn't scummy, I can vote with her since I literally agree with what she's saying"

[Invisibility]

why do you think I would do that