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Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
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want to look at sheep/woo/dunn/aisa eventually
not interested in menalque"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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You can talk about replace-outs after they happen (I think, I could be forgetting something but don't think I am). I personally think it's a good idea to never ascribe meaning to them on principle. I think it makes the game less fun but also essentially the rules right now are designed so that it is minimally possible to learn anything about the replacee from their replacing out, since they aren't allowed to say anything about it, so it's fundamentally a hard place to learn anything concrete.
This is, kind of bs tbh. I mean I did essentially burden-of skitter two pages ago but like... a direct burden of proficiency argument against someone on you, who as far as I'm aware have a reputation as pretty hard to read, when skitter has anCeph wrote:i think you're usually good at mafia and the fact you can't find me as town right now makes me think that you are scum, regardless of what words you want to attach to that. i just don't buy that that is where town you wants to vote right now end of sentenceeminentlyreasonable line of thought to voting you right now.
Do you disagree with her framing of the game as "I'd be surprised if there are 0 scum on the wagon" and looking at those slots? Do you disagree with her for wanting to look at you before Alianna, sheep, or me, given that sheep and I have been I think pretty broadly townread this game? You've been spending 3/4 of the game saying you've had a hard time getting into it and no one has really pressured you up to this point. How should skitter magically be finding you as town??? At least, how should she have already done it a page ago?
Like, I can understand being frustrated and having indignation. I'm not saying that this is scummy from you, just that it's a very bad reason to scumread skitter.
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i could wagon her too
but like also want to do this ceph thing nowShowHiatus once more.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
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implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
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mhm. I don't think he's "bleeding green" but I also do think nothing about his reaction here particularly says scum to me. I am sort of a sucker for indignance to some degree (see also: Andante). And either way Ceph is eminently Doing Things moreso than he had been so I think this is a good result either way.
What are your feelings on Dunn right now?-
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skitter30 she/herLast Laughshe/her
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eh i dont' really townread it
i'm not sure it's scummy but like i don't think his reaction is townie either
dunn - nullscum, can wagon tooShowHiatus once more.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx-
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i would prefer on wagon tho so would rather ceph/alianna rnShowHiatus once more.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx-
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It's not really relevant, but I do think that conclusion is too hastyIn post 1001, implosion wrote: Do you disagree with her framing of the game as "I'd be surprised if there are 0 scum on the wagon" and looking at those slots?
having just reviewed alianna, yes, i think she's a hell of a lot more suspicious than meDo you disagree with her for wanting to look at you before Alianna, sheep, or me, given that sheep and I have been I think pretty broadly townread this game?
oh, probably by reading my posts and observing the genuineness and town motivation in them or something, who can sayYou've been spending 3/4 of the game saying you've had a hard time getting into it and no one has really pressured you up to this point. How should skitter magically be finding you as town??? At least, how should she have already done it a page ago?"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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i don't think that conclusion is hasty at all, and i don't think that objectively prior to this discussion your posts had an inherently 'geunine town motivation' for m e to see soShowHiatus once more.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx-
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i mean objectively i have a town role pm so anything i post is town motivated"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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skitter30 she/herLast Laughshe/her
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i mean fair but that's true abt me form my pov too and that isn't going to help you townread me either, is it?
like this is kinda annoying to me b/c i think you're supposed to be competent and the things you're saying are a little ridiculous and i think you should know thatShowHiatus once more.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx-
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Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
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what specifically leads you to the conclusion that there must be scum on the wagon other than probability (since that is half the game)
is there some way in which someone who was pushing andante instead, if she is town, is somehow better"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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i don't know for sure that there is, but i think it's exceedingly likely (you're trying to tell me it's more likely that there were *no* scum on that wagon? ...)
i don't follow your second questionShowHiatus once more.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx-
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Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
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of course it's likely -- that's just math
what i want to know is how focusing there is anything more than an arbitrary distinction
do you believe that all wagons that go through on town necessarily contain scum votes?
that's not how i play mafia. if there is a voter that specifically looks scummy (see: alianna), great! but i want to know why you're starting from an assumption.
i'm saying that i think most players who are active and weren't on enchant were persuing andante instead. i currently believe she is town, so i'm not assigning anyone credit for doing that instead of voting enchant"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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I think that there was at least one scum on wagon. It's possible that there were 0, for sure, but i think this universe is a lot less likely than the universe where there is at least one scum vote, so i'm concentrating here
Once i start with: look for one scum vote on wagon
I'm left with a small-ish pool of 4 slots
So this is where i'm concentratingShowHiatus once more.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx-
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I dislike the notion of "let's find the wolf on the wagon" and lazily think theres a wolf doing that-
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i don't think that answers my question on why it's different from an arbitrary discintion. why do you believe there was at least one scum on wagon"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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b/c i think 0 is unlikelyShowHiatus once more.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx-
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I just think like, obviously statistically there is wolf, but relatively the wagon felt very town-driven. like I think this wagon has way less of an expected value of wolves contained than the average d1 wagon on a villager so I think "since we know there's a wolf on the wagon let's focus there" is agendaly misapplied to this game
I infact think youre far more likely to find wolf off-wagon, for whiteknighty reasons + if there are people who didnt get the enchant!wolf push, that feels legit a little >rand w-
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...why though... am i speaking a different language or somethingIn post 1017, skitter30 wrote: b/c i think 0 is unlikely"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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not feeling a need to review sheep anymore"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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I sort of think Aisa's enactment of it is the worst, like asking 4 different people "why were you voting enchant? why didnt you give him more time?" bugs me a lot sry
it just feels fake when I feel like the unanimous reasons why enchant was wagoned + it makes sense to lim him without waiting to deadline are all already out there
it feels like too indirectly pushing the notion "we must find the wolf on the wagon" by doing shady lines of questioning whereas the other people outright saying they think theres wolf there are a bit less wolfy-
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if there's statistically a wolf in a group of 4 people (which your'e conceding), i think that's easier than finding 2 in a pool of 8
i'm not saying there's 2+ i'm saying i'm thinking htere's at least 1
(also fwiw arguing that there isn't when you're on it is +w to me)
pedit b/c in the four billion games of mafia i've played, i've seen a lot more day1 wagons with wolves on them than day1 wagons with no wolves on themShowHiatus once more.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx-
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Okay, so it is an arbitrary distinction.In post 1022, skitter30 wrote: if there's statistically a wolf in a group of 4 people (which your'e conceding), i think that's easier than finding 2 in a pool of 8
I am explicitly not arguing this, as you already noted in this post. I'm trying to understand your thought process.In post 1022, skitter30 wrote:i'm not saying there's 2+ i'm saying i'm thinking htere's at least 1
(also fwiw arguing that there isn't when you're on it is +w to me)
Again, that's math, not scumhuntingIn post 1022, skitter30 wrote:pedit b/c in the four billion games of mafia i've played, i've seen a lot more day1 wagons with wolves on them than day1 wagons with no wolves on them"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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The middle paragraph was directed to sheep, not you
And for the other two: i don't think it's arbitrary, it's easier for me to find 1 scum in 4 than 2 in 8 so that's what i'm focusing on
Actually 2 in 6 i think technically but either way i think a smaller pool is better to focus on
If you don't like my approach fine but this is what's working for meShowHiatus once more.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx
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