Micro 1083: Garlic Bread Heist! (Game Over)

[hellbooks]

Does alisae often take a backseat like this as scum?

[VP Baltar]

idk this interaction has made me realize alisae is actually kinda out of scumrange cuz she isn't just sitting down as scum and likes to control gamestate lol

Regardless when reISOing alisae I did realize she was townier than initially thought bc of how she has been poking at stuff in general.

Schroedingers Alisae. She is both too wiped from Team Mafia to repeat the effort as scum and too good as scum to ever play lazy.

[Garlic Bread]

Where did I say an alisae!town world is impossible or that "townies only defend townies" or that "she isn't doing things that townies do"?

Pretty cool strawman. Methinks thou doth protest too much.

As far as analyzing your behavior, it's on my list. I find alot of what you're pushing pretty boring and think you're getting by on volume largely. If a person is highly motivated, it's easy to get townread by perceived effort, even if the substance is lacking.

Pedit - of course GB is white knight ingredients alisae lol

Lol @ anyone who actually thinks these are good arguments

[Garlic Bread]

idk this interaction has made me realize alisae is actually kinda out of scumrange cuz she isn't just sitting down as scum and likes to control gamestate lol

Regardless when reISOing alisae I did realize she was townier than initially thought bc of how she has been poking at stuff in general.

Schroedingers Alisae. She is both too wiped from Team Mafia to repeat the effort as scum and too good as scum to ever play lazy.

Waiting on your citations for your case, old man.

[hellbooks]

I see, if there's people from TM who had a shared experience then i suppose it could be a conscious choice from Alisae to metabreak but idk I think I'm just going to let Baltar stew in his "why isnt anyone believing me" indignation for a little bit longer

[Garlic Bread]

actually nvm I'll just sit back and laugh bc even if u flip alisae as green you're just fucked the rest of the game.

Gg hf.

Still, citations(quotes) that show what you're claiming here

[VP Baltar]

Where did I say an alisae!town world is impossible or that "townies only defend townies" or that "she isn't doing things that townies do"?

Pretty cool strawman. Methinks thou doth protest too much.

As far as analyzing your behavior, it's on my list. I find alot of what you're pushing pretty boring and think you're getting by on volume largely. If a person is highly motivated, it's easy to get townread by perceived effort, even if the substance is lacking.

Pedit - of course GB is white knight ingredients alisae lol

Citation , motherfucker

I trust my gut reads and will be happy to make the case when I want you dead. You're not my priority or strongest read right now, so you can argue with yourself for all I care.

My key evidence though is: what actual serious wagons have you driven despite being probably the top poster in this game?

[VP Baltar]

I see, if there's people from TM who had a shared experience then i suppose it could be a conscious choice from Alisae to metabreak but idk I think I'm just going to let Baltar stew in his "why isnt anyone believing me" indignation for a little bit longer

It is my safe space in mafia games.

Call me MADLAD until the scum flips red. I will gloat in the dead thread

[Garlic Bread]

Where did I say an alisae!town world is impossible or that "townies only defend townies" or that "she isn't doing things that townies do"?

Pretty cool strawman. Methinks thou doth protest too much.

As far as analyzing your behavior, it's on my list. I find alot of what you're pushing pretty boring and think you're getting by on volume largely. If a person is highly motivated, it's easy to get townread by perceived effort, even if the substance is lacking.

Pedit - of course GB is white knight ingredients alisae lol

Citation , motherfucker

I trust my gut reads and will be happy to make the case when I want you dead. You're not my priority or strongest read right now, so you can argue with yourself for all I care.

My key evidence though is: what actual serious wagons have you driven despite being probably the top poster in this game?

see you're doing the thing again where you're trying to attack people's actions vs their actual process.

you dont do that as town rofl.

so gl digging yourself out of these shitpushes.

[Thestatusquo]

Why would Alisae have to powerwolf if you're already controlling the gamestate?

Could be you're teammates.

Could be alisae is just fine with the directions you're pushing.

Alisae doesn't just control the game willy nilly when scum, e does so when its advantageous to do so.

[VP Baltar]

I am surprised GB is getting this twisted at a slight poke.

Pedit - "you're attacking people's actions" - GB, year of our lord 2023

[Garlic Bread]

it is also very uncharacteristic for town baltar to assume pushes on him = scum, he has actually said this as town in a game before that he doesn't do that and does analyze people(and he did in the game I'm referencing)

so uh, keep lying baltar it makes the case easier to make.

[Garlic Bread]

Why would Alisae have to powerwolf if you're already controlling the gamestate?

Could be you're teammates.

Could be alisae is just fine with the directions you're pushing.

Alisae doesn't just control the game willy nilly when scum, e does so when its advantageous to do so.

mate her fucking process of poking people is towny as fuck, stop living in the present and read back instead of trying to rely on scum framing

[Garlic Bread]

"could be" yeah and i could be a real piece of bread playing this game.

finding a plausibility doesn't mean you run with that as fact, it means you look for actual supporting arguments.

[VP Baltar]

it is also very uncharacteristic for town baltar to assume pushes on him = scum, he has actually said this as town in a game before that he doesn't do that and does analyze people(and he did in the game I'm referencing)

so uh, keep lying baltar it makes the case easier to make.

I didn't automatically assume alisae was scum. I have actually spent a good amount of time observing and asking questions before I came to this conclusion. I've felt her push was hinky for a long time, but gave her space to find her footing (which I said in the case). You're blatantly spinning here.

[VP Baltar]

Alleged reads list. Big white knighting of someone just outside your scum list

Tris
Vp Baltar
Xof
Shea
Alisae
-----------
Hellbooks
Sheep

[Garlic Bread]

Nah im not wasting discussion space for this conversation

If youre trying to say im scum you should be voting me (:

I am just trying to understand your thought process in switching from iv to Lap when there was a viable iv wagon.

Then you said it was obvious you felt better about iv ... which idk how anyone is supposed to know that, but ok.


Then I realized you just said you felt better about iv at the same time he was in your vp/iv/Lap solve. Which, uh...

here's an example of town baltar actually considering a person's alignment

instead in this game, baltar is like "um ur action = scum because it just looks bad"(boiling it down, i can later show but if you read the recent walls by him it stands out there)


If Baltar can show that he has considered progression at all this game, we can have a conversation but I don't think so.

[Garlic Bread]

whatever I dont even want to flip you today dude I want sheep who is the most obvious scumfuck in the game right now, we can see how you try to make these shit pairings tomorrow if I live.

[Thestatusquo]

Why would Alisae have to powerwolf if you're already controlling the gamestate?

Could be you're teammates.

Could be alisae is just fine with the directions you're pushing.

Alisae doesn't just control the game willy nilly when scum, e does so when its advantageous to do so.

mate her fucking process of poking people is towny as fuck, stop living in the present and read back instead of trying to rely on scum framing

What scum framing have I relied on? I haven't even read the case, I'm just reacting to your comments.

[Garlic Bread]

Alleged reads list. Big white knighting of someone just outside your scum list

Tris
Vp Baltar
Xof
Shea
Alisae
-----------
Hellbooks
Sheep

"white knighting" indicates im defending a town, not going to assume youre 'slipping' here but rather trying to use a buzzword you don't understand.

and my reads have evolved significantly since then, I do wonder, where are yours to criticize?

[VP Baltar]

The fact you are trying to build a multi-point case on page six is pretty absurd on its face though. I find it hard to believe you're taking the game that seriously at this point.

VOTE: VP

Go on

no

How am I supposed to have a discussion when this is the response yo me trying?

[Garlic Bread]

Why would Alisae have to powerwolf if you're already controlling the gamestate?

Could be you're teammates.

Could be alisae is just fine with the directions you're pushing.

Alisae doesn't just control the game willy nilly when scum, e does so when its advantageous to do so.

mate her fucking process of poking people is towny as fuck, stop living in the present and read back instead of trying to rely on scum framing

What scum framing have I relied on? I haven't even read the case, I'm just reacting to your comments.

oh im fully aware you are living in the present

[Thestatusquo]

it is also very uncharacteristic for town baltar to assume pushes on him = scum, he has actually said this as town in a game before that he doesn't do that and does analyze people(and he did in the game I'm referencing)

so uh, keep lying baltar it makes the case easier to make.

this is half the work. In my experience its also out of character for scum baltar to do that.

[Thestatusquo]

Why would Alisae have to powerwolf if you're already controlling the gamestate?

Could be you're teammates.

Could be alisae is just fine with the directions you're pushing.

Alisae doesn't just control the game willy nilly when scum, e does so when its advantageous to do so.

mate her fucking process of poking people is towny as fuck, stop living in the present and read back instead of trying to rely on scum framing

What scum framing have I relied on? I haven't even read the case, I'm just reacting to your comments.

oh im fully aware you are living in the present

Uh, ok dude.

[VP Baltar]

whatever I dont even want to flip you today dude I want sheep who is the most obvious scumfuck in the game right now, we can see how you try to make these shit pairings tomorrow if I live.

Great, I said let's duel wagons then. I think alisae flips scum, you think sheep does. Let's go and see who is right.

People not on these wagons should change votes and let's do this thing