Open 104 - The New C9 - Game Over

[M1KEMMIEMIEMKEMIKE]

i have one more wolf that im going to keep wtch on (tone based so far). i dont want him / her to change it up for a bit...lets see what they spew

[Sun Tzu]

Sun i'd like to read your wolf games but this forum is really awkward...

thnk you could link one or 2?

I already did. They're a quick read.

[ZazieR]

Stef is aggressive. If you can't live with his posts so far, leave this game now .
Trust me now, I know. Stef and I have had many quote wars .

Unvote vote omg_im_innocent_wtf

As that claim bothers me a lot right now. Why did you do it?

[Hitch]

I am up to post 74 so far.

vote stef

because voting for a claimed mason D1 with no counter claim/other evidence etc is incredibly anti town, and given he appears to be an experianced player the behaviour is wolfy, sorry don't know the correct adjective for these forums, is scummy right?

also - hai guyz

Yo, Hitch.

How does the new info that OMG's claim is disputed by the claimed mason change your assessment of stef's vote?

not one bit, although I havfe litterally just got to the thread so I haven't second levelled it yet, but that information was unavailable at the point of stef's vote.

Now I'll think about where we are now -

omg has been 'counter claimed' for want of a better term, that means omg = bad, EJ = good are an impossible combination.

OK, I had a massive long post with all the possible combos of OMG and EJ in them, and their likelyhood and motives as far as I could see.

I think it was an accurate disection of the possibilitys.

THen I deleted it as I think it would be of more benefit to the mafia than the town.

It will be interesting to see what level people are on here. Potential massive tells on the way.

None of the deep analysis involves stef though. His vote was scummy, nothing can erase or compound that now.

[ZazieR]

Why was Stef's vote scummy?
What do you think of OIIW's 'claim'?

[atakdog]

Did you read those games yet?

Read 'em. Note exactly your typical wolf behavior, I certainly hope.

Also, the games were amusingly unamusing, but I guess I knew that was coming.

All: based on reading two of Sun's wolf games (one day in one, one day in a horrifically broken game in the other), I can say he's not a wolf here. Yet. But if we wagon him we can probably find out.

[StrangerCoug]

As for oEJo countering omg_im_innocent_wtf, I'm 99% sure it's now obvious that omg_im_innocent_wtf is scum, but I still want to scumhunt. I'm happy with voting OIIW if zhaorx can convince me he's not scum, but if we have a vigilante he or she needs to be the one to shoot OIIW in my opinion.

[M1KEMMIEMIEMKEMIKE]

scott howard would probably make a good skateboarder. he is an awesome car driver.

I used to be a semipro race driver (slicks and wings stuff), but I doubt I could skateboard to save my life.

HAHAHAHA


awesome

HU 4 pink slipz? lol

[Sun Tzu]

As for oEJo countering omg_im_innocent_wtf, I'm 99% sure it's now obvious that omg_im_innocent_wtf is scum, but I still want to scumhunt. I'm happy with voting OIIW if zhaorx can convince me he's not scum, but if we have a vigilante he or she needs to be the one to shoot OIIW in my opinion.

How is it obvious that he's scum? What's your theory?

[M1KEMMIEMIEMKEMIKE]

Stef is aggressive. If you can't live with his posts so far, leave this game now .
Trust me now, I know. Stef and I have had many quote wars .

Unvote vote omg_im_innocent_wtf

As that claim bothers me a lot right now. Why did you do it?

LOCK VOTE: ZAZIER

for spewing every wolf tell in the book

pounces on weak bandwagon

gives bad excuse to get off


EMOTICONS

oh god my heads explodingsdagasdfag

LYNCH this guy asap and we got1 wolf

[M1KEMMIEMIEMKEMIKE]

I am up to post 74 so far.

vote stef

because voting for a claimed mason D1 with no counter claim/other evidence etc is incredibly anti town, and given he appears to be an experianced player the behaviour is wolfy, sorry don't know the correct adjective for these forums, is scummy right?

also - hai guyz

Yo, Hitch.

How does the new info that OMG's claim is disputed by the claimed mason change your assessment of stef's vote?

not one bit, although I havfe litterally just got to the thread so I haven't second levelled it yet, but that information was unavailable at the point of stef's vote.

Now I'll think about where we are now -

omg has been 'counter claimed' for want of a better term, that means omg = bad, EJ = good are an impossible combination.

OK, I had a massive long post with all the possible combos of OMG and EJ in them, and their likelyhood and motives as far as I could see.

I think it was an accurate disection of the possibilitys.

THen I deleted it as I think it would be of more benefit to the mafia than the town.

It will be interesting to see what level people are on here. Potential massive tells on the way.

None of the deep analysis involves stef though. His vote was scummy, nothing can erase or compound that now.

hitch the combo of omg = bad and AJo = good seems really unlikely...

OMG knows that he's going to out himself immediately to AJo...his play just doesnt make sense.

[atakdog]

I don't understand why he's been using irrelevant information to defend himself and, for all I care, pulling names out of a hat and calling the names he gets scum. I do not believe that he is pressure-voting SiestaGuru (see below). He's posting like he has reasons for suspecting us, but I'm having a hard time figuring them out. OK, so SiestaGuru and I make very forced posts in defending our votes on Day 1. Apparently, he knows our meta. Meta, however, is not an accurate indicator of alignment, and his #9 in isolation indicates that he wants us wagoned to a lynch.

For obvious reasons, no one is anywhere near being policy lynched right now.

(Since you seem to love having things spelled out: how is it not obvious that he's putting pressure on the players he's calling scum?)

Mada and SiestaGuru have one post apiece so far, both of their current votes are random, and zhaorx's case on me is crap if even existent.

This is nutty. Why in the world would you assume he "knows [your] meta"? He's pushing on you. It appears that doing so is a great way to get a reaction, from which it may be possible to read your role. That's not scummy, it's towny.

Also, wanting someone to be wagoned to a lynch, or at least acting that way, is sort of a prerequisite to getting a a useful reaction, I would think.

Maybe you're being overly defensive as wolfia. Maybe you're just being overly defensive. I don't know yet, though I'm leaning toward the former. But you can't reasonably deny that pushing on someone -- for good reasons, bad reasons, or no reasons at all -- is a way to put people outside their comfort zone and potentially elicit useful information.

[Hitch]

Chill out that happened to me too it's not a big deal.

Disagree, it's a huge deal. i am obsessive compulsive.

Fortunately it seems to have stopped so we can all get on with our lives.

[atakdog]

As for oEJo countering omg_im_innocent_wtf, I'm 99% sure it's now obvious that omg_im_innocent_wtf is scum, but I still want to scumhunt. I'm happy with voting OIIW if zhaorx can convince me he's not scum, but if we have a vigilante he or she needs to be the one to shoot OIIW in my opinion.

If this reflects your actual perceptions, you are playing a really bad game.

[atakdog]

I am glad to see that M1KE is a good guy.

[ZazieR]

What excuse do I give?
Besides, what is better: Keeping the random vote or voting a scummy player?
I think you know that answer, right Glossy Lips?

I use emoticons much, het used to it. It's a sign that it hasn't to do anything with the game. The only exception is the ':roll:'.

Also Glossy Lips, gender signs are present for a reason
Besides, there are no wolfs

And as extra, you may start by naming every 'wolf' tell in your book, because I'm really curious to it right now.

[Sun Tzu]

I am glad to see that M1KE is a good guy.

I agree that he's villagery so far but for you to clear him already seems wolfy to me.

[atakdog]

Stef is aggressive. If you can't live with his posts so far, leave this game now .
Trust me now, I know. Stef and I have had many quote wars .

Unvote vote omg_im_innocent_wtf

As that claim bothers me a lot right now. Why did you do it?

I don't think anyone was reacting to Stef's being aggressive.

[atakdog]

I am glad to see that M1KE is a good guy.

I agree that he's villagery so far but for you to clear him already seems wolfy to me.

You misunderstand, though I admit I left that door open. I am certainly not clearing him. But I think he's as likely to be town as anyone else who has posted.

[I was overstating it a little because I think I know what's coming, after his lock vote post. Just trying to derail that train before it gets chugging.]

[M1KEMMIEMIEMKEMIKE]

i dont think i'd get wagoned here for that

if i am getting wagoned,

likely villagers are hte ones pushing it,

not wolves

[Hitch]

Why was Stef's vote scummy?
What do you think of OIIW's 'claim'?

Stef's vote was scummy because he voted for a claimed mason before the other mason had even come into the thread. Why would he do that?

My thoughts of OMG's claim are best left unsaid for now, please see my post above the one I quote here for as much detail as I'm willing to go into for now.

[ZazieR]

you came off REALLY bad in that 'retarted' conversation. I mean i dont think i've ver seen someone so mortally wounded by a single word before.

You sure about that Atak?

If I'm correct M1KE is Glossy Lips, so what makes GL 'good guy' looking as I don't see it?

[M1KEMMIEMIEMKEMIKE]

What excuse do I give?
Besides, what is better: Keeping the random vote or voting a scummy player?
I think you know that answer, right Glossy Lips?

I use emoticons much, het used to it. It's a sign that it hasn't to do anything with the game. The only exception is the ':roll:'.

Also Glossy Lips, gender signs are present for a reason
Besides, there are no wolfs

And as extra, you may start by naming every 'wolf' tell in your book, because I'm really curious to it right now.

request: denied

[Hitch]

I am up to post 74 so far.

vote stef

because voting for a claimed mason D1 with no counter claim/other evidence etc is incredibly anti town, and given he appears to be an experianced player the behaviour is wolfy, sorry don't know the correct adjective for these forums, is scummy right?

also - hai guyz

Yo, Hitch.

How does the new info that OMG's claim is disputed by the claimed mason change your assessment of stef's vote?

not one bit, although I havfe litterally just got to the thread so I haven't second levelled it yet, but that information was unavailable at the point of stef's vote.

Now I'll think about where we are now -

omg has been 'counter claimed' for want of a better term, that means omg = bad, EJ = good are an impossible combination.

OK, I had a massive long post with all the possible combos of OMG and EJ in them, and their likelyhood and motives as far as I could see.

I think it was an accurate disection of the possibilitys.

THen I deleted it as I think it would be of more benefit to the mafia than the town.

It will be interesting to see what level people are on here. Potential massive tells on the way.

None of the deep analysis involves stef though. His vote was scummy, nothing can erase or compound that now.

hitch the combo of omg = bad and AJo = good seems really unlikely...

OMG knows that he's going to out himself immediately to AJo...his play just doesnt make sense.

I know this.

Did you not read my post?

[StrangerCoug]

This is nutty. Why in the world would you assume he "knows [your] meta"?

This is our first game together. The only way I can think of where he would know what he said about how I play is for him to read my games, and what he said is accurate.

Also, wanting someone to be wagoned to a lynch, or at least acting that way, is sort of a prerequisite to getting a a useful reaction, I would think.

I've been known to take things very seriously.

Maybe you're being overly defensive as wolfia. Maybe you're just being overly defensive. I don't know yet, though I'm leaning toward the former. But you can't reasonably deny that pushing on someone -- for good reasons, bad reasons, or no reasons at all -- is a way to put people outside their comfort zone and potentially elicit useful information.

I'm going after his motives, which I'm still trying to work out here.

As for oEJo countering omg_im_innocent_wtf, I'm 99% sure it's now obvious that omg_im_innocent_wtf is scum, but I still want to scumhunt. I'm happy with voting OIIW if zhaorx can convince me he's not scum, but if we have a vigilante he or she needs to be the one to shoot OIIW in my opinion.

If this reflects your actual perceptions, you are playing a really bad game.

So not voting confirmed scum so you can question suspected buddies in case there is a vig is playing a bad game; is this what I'm getting at?

Again, I'm happy switching to OIIW, but I want zhaorx to give a decent defense to my case first.