Mini 2307 | Songs from Glee! | Endgame

[OopsieDaisy]

Intent to hammer

UNVOTE: KKFC

As much as KKFC is my strongest scum read right now, I like seeing how a day develops and it wouldn't surprise me if El actually hammered.

P-edit: Ohh someone else unvoted for me, I'm fine staying on the wagon now.

VOTE: KKFC

[KatyKimFanClub]

Unrelated to game ---

Sometimes I see posts made to the thread between the time I started writing a post and when I submit and sometimes I don't. Is there a known reason for this? Like if I have multiple tabs of the same thread open or?

it's called a preview edit (p-edit) and it's intentional so you don't actually hammer if you don't mean to or need to address something that was posted while you were writing

Yes but sometimes I don't get the pedit even with posts being made in the interim.

[Skygazer]

as of right now i think scum is in kkfc/random nurse/IAVH/Delta

[Skygazer]

202 prompted me to reread their iso and it wasnt as fine as i remembered

what wasn't so fine?

will answer soon I've been grabbing lunch this whole time

[PenguinPower]

Intent to hammer

UNVOTE: KKFC

As much as KKFC is my strongest scum read right now, I like seeing how a day develops and it wouldn't surprise me if El actually hammered.

P-edit: Ohh someone else unvoted for me, I'm fine staying on the wagon now.

VOTE: KKFC

[Random Nurse]

as of right now i think scum is in kkfc/random nurse/IAVH/Delta

And how do you reckon that?

[Skygazer]

as of right now i think scum is in kkfc/random nurse/IAVH/Delta

need to reevaluate IAVH because ive been caught with my pants down defending scum before and could be easily wrong

[PenguinPower]

as of right now i think scum is in kkfc/random nurse/IAVH/Delta

[KatyKimFanClub]

A little confused as to what I've done (or not done!) to get 5 people to scumread me this early into a game.
Weirdly, I think Daisy and Skygazer might be the only people on this wagon to truly believe in a case against me?

I'm most confused by Elements claiming intent to hammer for sure though.

[Skygazer]

202 prompted me to reread their iso and it wasnt as fine as i remembered

what wasn't so fine?

back at my desk. there's just a whole lot of non-advancing content, i think most of it is mechanical/small talk/defending themselves with only one mention of giving town points out

[Skygazer]

If Elements is scum they're playing a really interesting scum game but me thinks this is just town play

[KatyKimFanClub]

Eh, I can see why you scumread for that, but it's very much an intentional decision.

I'm not interested in giving away my reads this early, nor do I care about advancing the game state if I think that the current one is good enough for town. If you would like me to elaborate on my philosophy, I can, but as an example, I think I get more towards solving the game if I can keep disscussion on why Daisy and iavh think a meta read on me is relevant by Page 4 than if I move on to a different topic.

I guess to clarify my position, advancing the game state is generally good, but I don't really see what giving my reads this early would really do. We have a lot of time left in the day to gather information and I don't think there's been enough time in the game for me to have a significant change in opinion on people's alignments yet.

[Skygazer]

I don't think he would put me at the top of a readslist if so, especially since I haven't really done anything yet this game. If anything, given what I think are your inherent suspicions of Skygazer, shouldn't you think I'm being set up?

Weirdly, I think Daisy and Skygazer might be the only people on this wagon to truly believe in a case against me?

These two takes feel incompatible (granted i just had a read flip flop myself but yeah)

[KatyKimFanClub]

If the idea is that y'all (collective y'all) want to speed up the game and think that my not giving reads is impeding, and so you're going to wagon me for a reaction, then fair play.
I will say it's very easy to look like you're advancing the game state by throwing votes onto someone, and in fact this is probably what at least one scum member would be doing right now.

[KatyKimFanClub]

I don't think he would put me at the top of a readslist if so, especially since I haven't really done anything yet this game. If anything, given what I think are your inherent suspicions of Skygazer, shouldn't you think I'm being set up?

Weirdly, I think Daisy and Skygazer might be the only people on this wagon to truly believe in a case against me?

These two takes feel incompatible (granted i just had a read flip flop myself but yeah)

Take 1 is saying that this is what PP should be wondering.
Take 2 is my own opinion.

[Skygazer]

Eh, I can see why you scumread for that, but it's very much an intentional decision.

I'm not interested in giving away my reads this early, nor do I care about advancing the game state if I think that the current one is good enough for town. If you would like me to elaborate on my philosophy, I can, but as an example, I think I get more towards solving the game if I can keep disscussion on why Daisy and iavh think a meta read on me is relevant by Page 4 than if I move on to a different topic.

I guess to clarify my position, advancing the game state is generally good, but I don't really see what giving my reads this early would really do. We have a lot of time left in the day to gather information and I don't think there's been enough time in the game for me to have a significant change in opinion on people's alignments yet.

You're also the scummiest in my PoE at the moment. Okay IAVH is the scummiest in my PoE but they still *feel* like they'll flip town. Penguin had some good real time engagement with me, Oopsie posted a quality meme, Elements is doing kinda townie stuff, uh fuck I forgot to put kitty in my PoE

[PenguinPower]

but I don't really see what giving my reads this early would really do.

allow us to ask why and....advance the gamestate.

[KatyKimFanClub]

Fair, but if your worry is that I'm being fed lines by a partner, then I hope I've assuaged some of those suspicions by now?

[KatyKimFanClub]

but I don't really see what giving my reads this early would really do.

allow us to ask why and....advance the gamestate.

Wasn't that the point of the wagon in the first place? to force me to react? Not sure why your tone sounds like you've caught me in some gotcha or something lol.

In general, I don't really believe in my reads this early into a game. In an ideal world, the way I would like to find scum would be looking at pairwise interactions and also consistency in how they've played the game.

[KatyKimFanClub]

And both of those ideas take a little bit of time. I think when we get down into it it's mostly just that I don't have confidence in forming strong reads early and so I'd rather spectate and focus on defending myself as the game starts to speed up.

[PenguinPower]

Wasn't that the point of the wagon in the first place? to force me to react?

no

[Skygazer]

Fair, but if your worry is that I'm being fed lines by a partner, then I hope I've assuaged some of those suspicions by now?

1) what an interesting conclusion to jump to
2) so you're saying your partner is inexperienced and unhelpful? :)

[PenguinPower]

well - i should say "not entirely"

[KatyKimFanClub]

Fair, but if your worry is that I'm being fed lines by a partner, then I hope I've assuaged some of those suspicions by now?

1) what an interesting conclusion to jump to
2) so you're saying your partner is inexperienced and unhelpful?

I thought that was the implication when you said "time management" and from posts 196 and 240 with PP.

[KatyKimFanClub]

Wasn't that the point of the wagon in the first place? to force me to react?

no

i mean - the answer is no, scum could jump on them as an easy push....but, early D1 wagons almost never lead to an elim so now seems like a weird time to do that.

If I've been coming across as fairly nonchalant in my responses to people, to be honest this post has been why.

I guess I should ask you why you think I'm scum, PP?